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		<title>By: Brian McCandliss</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-687717</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McCandliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 12:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article leaves out the most important point: that the states formed the Constitution, not the other way around;  and they did so out of their individual status  of freedom, sovereignty and independence, as noted in the Paris Peace Treay of 1783-- &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; as a single nation.
 
The Constitution thereore could not &lt;i&gt;alter&lt;/i&gt; this sovereign status, without &lt;i&gt;express statements&lt;/i&gt; to that effect, that the people of each state were signing away their sovereignty forever; however it contains &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; such statements, just some ambiguous language which biased readers interpret to &lt;i&gt;connote&lt;/i&gt; such.  Therefore without any &lt;i&gt;express&lt;/i&gt; abdication of state sovereignty, every state as  remained free, sovereign and independent under the Constitution, as &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; it. 
Thus likewise, &lt;i&gt;Texas v. White&lt;/i&gt; had no &lt;i&gt;authority&lt;/i&gt; to deny any law regarding secession, any more than it could claim such against Britain and France.

History, however, is not written by the victors-- since &quot;history,&quot;  by definition, is what &lt;i&gt;actually happened&lt;/i&gt;;  rather, it is &lt;i&gt;suppressed&lt;/i&gt; by them, and revised in to make the victor look right, and the vanquished look wrong.
Here, suppression took place with regard to any discussion or analysis of secession-law among authorities, with such discussions being outright censored as &quot;treason&quot; during the war, and grounds for similar treatment afterward-- particularly among government-accredited and licensed positions like law or academia, both of which affected all persons of authority. Persons who entertained such public discussions were likewise disenfranchised from positions of elected leadership, being forced to swear oaths of loyalty to the victor in order to hold &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; elected office. Thus discussion of secession-law was basically &lt;i&gt;suppressed&lt;/i&gt; by the victorious regime (ironicalliy in the so-called &quot;land of the free&quot;), until it simply became accepted as &lt;i&gt;popular dogma&lt;/i&gt; that secession was illegal. 

Even today, however, all &quot;experts&quot; and oficials simply say that the legality of secession was &quot;settled by the war,;&quot; however it wasn&#039;t &quot;settled&quot; but merely &lt;i&gt;dictated,&lt;/i&gt; since laws can only be &quot;settled&quot; via proving the original intentions of the actual lawgivers; and as I&#039;ve explained above, these nowhere expressly surrendered the sovereignty of any state--- and sovereignty, by its plain nature, cannot be surrendered by anything &lt;i&gt;but&lt;/i&gt; express language..

Now to the &quot;brass tacks&quot; of the matter: since state sovereignty was never legally surrendered-- merely &lt;i&gt;suppressed&lt;/i&gt; by imperialism of the federal government&#039;s claiming &lt;i&gt;national&lt;/i&gt; authority over them-- then either the states must &lt;i&gt;remain&lt;/i&gt; sovereign to this day, or the United States is a dictatorial empire. 

Since few Americans will accept the latter, then this leaves only the former-- i.e. that every state is sovereign, and legally at liberty to secede at will. This requires only that its people of any state &lt;i&gt;assert&lt;/i&gt; that state&#039;s sovereignty under the law; and the federal government will be  unable to cite any proper authority to the contrary-- and will be unable to &lt;i&gt;censor&lt;/i&gt; the truth as it did in 1861-1866, due to the current e-technology: indeed, it seems that &quot;the end of tyranny will come not with a shout, but with a Twitter. &quot; 

The next step now, thus becomes to organize such a movement among the people of ANY state; one will be enough. Current &quot;state sovereignty&quot; movements are anything but, since sovereignty secession is the ultimate right of a sovereign state, and these claim none. On the contrary, &lt;i&gt;true&lt;/i&gt; sovereignty is the type enjoyed by nations; rather, these movements refer simply to  &lt;i&gt;reserved powers&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; under the 10th Amendment, which is not at all the same-- and is likewise futile if a state cannot &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;secede,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; since the federal majority will have no binding incentive to &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;honor&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; such reservations.  Thus &quot;states rights&quot; must include secession-- or nothing.

Thus our objective is clear: to find a state willing to assert its sovereignty, and do so.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article leaves out the most important point: that the states formed the Constitution, not the other way around;  and they did so out of their individual status  of freedom, sovereignty and independence, as noted in the Paris Peace Treay of 1783&#8211; <i>not</i> as a single nation.</p>
<p>The Constitution thereore could not <i>alter</i> this sovereign status, without <i>express statements</i> to that effect, that the people of each state were signing away their sovereignty forever; however it contains <i>no</i> such statements, just some ambiguous language which biased readers interpret to <i>connote</i> such.  Therefore without any <i>express</i> abdication of state sovereignty, every state as  remained free, sovereign and independent under the Constitution, as <i>before</i> it.<br />
Thus likewise, <i>Texas v. White</i> had no <i>authority</i> to deny any law regarding secession, any more than it could claim such against Britain and France.</p>
<p>History, however, is not written by the victors&#8211; since &#8220;history,&#8221;  by definition, is what <i>actually happened</i>;  rather, it is <i>suppressed</i> by them, and revised in to make the victor look right, and the vanquished look wrong.<br />
Here, suppression took place with regard to any discussion or analysis of secession-law among authorities, with such discussions being outright censored as &#8220;treason&#8221; during the war, and grounds for similar treatment afterward&#8211; particularly among government-accredited and licensed positions like law or academia, both of which affected all persons of authority. Persons who entertained such public discussions were likewise disenfranchised from positions of elected leadership, being forced to swear oaths of loyalty to the victor in order to hold <i>any</i> elected office. Thus discussion of secession-law was basically <i>suppressed</i> by the victorious regime (ironicalliy in the so-called &#8220;land of the free&#8221;), until it simply became accepted as <i>popular dogma</i> that secession was illegal. </p>
<p>Even today, however, all &#8220;experts&#8221; and oficials simply say that the legality of secession was &#8220;settled by the war,;&#8221; however it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;settled&#8221; but merely <i>dictated,</i> since laws can only be &#8220;settled&#8221; via proving the original intentions of the actual lawgivers; and as I&#8217;ve explained above, these nowhere expressly surrendered the sovereignty of any state&#8212; and sovereignty, by its plain nature, cannot be surrendered by anything <i>but</i> express language..</p>
<p>Now to the &#8220;brass tacks&#8221; of the matter: since state sovereignty was never legally surrendered&#8211; merely <i>suppressed</i> by imperialism of the federal government&#8217;s claiming <i>national</i> authority over them&#8211; then either the states must <i>remain</i> sovereign to this day, or the United States is a dictatorial empire. </p>
<p>Since few Americans will accept the latter, then this leaves only the former&#8211; i.e. that every state is sovereign, and legally at liberty to secede at will. This requires only that its people of any state <i>assert</i> that state&#8217;s sovereignty under the law; and the federal government will be  unable to cite any proper authority to the contrary&#8211; and will be unable to <i>censor</i> the truth as it did in 1861-1866, due to the current e-technology: indeed, it seems that &#8220;the end of tyranny will come not with a shout, but with a Twitter. &#8221; </p>
<p>The next step now, thus becomes to organize such a movement among the people of ANY state; one will be enough. Current &#8220;state sovereignty&#8221; movements are anything but, since sovereignty secession is the ultimate right of a sovereign state, and these claim none. On the contrary, <i>true</i> sovereignty is the type enjoyed by nations; rather, these movements refer simply to  <i>reserved powers</i><i> under the 10th Amendment, which is not at all the same&#8211; and is likewise futile if a state cannot </i><i>secede,</i><i> since the federal majority will have no binding incentive to </i><i>honor</i><i> such reservations.  Thus &#8220;states rights&#8221; must include secession&#8211; or nothing.</p>
<p>Thus our objective is clear: to find a state willing to assert its sovereignty, and do so.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Ronin</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-542706</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Ronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Secession, in and of itself, is a consequence; it is not a driver. The historic driver is the entry onto the Post-Peak Oil descent curve. There is a reason why Western central governments are hoarding power, a reason that they have been aware of for some time.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://namericansecession.ning.com/&quot;&gt;North American Secessionist Congress, October 2010&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secession, in and of itself, is a consequence; it is not a driver. The historic driver is the entry onto the Post-Peak Oil descent curve. There is a reason why Western central governments are hoarding power, a reason that they have been aware of for some time.</p>
<p><a href="http://namericansecession.ning.com/">North American Secessionist Congress, October 2010</a></p>
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		<title>By: America will soon be free</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-540622</link>
		<dc:creator>America will soon be free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 07:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wall Street is doing the work of secession, sinking the Fed and soon the federal government will be officially bankrupt.  When the dollar is finally rejected and a foreign country assumes currency reserve status, the gamblers will disappear.  With few natural resources and hundreds of millions to feed, the U.S. Constitution and the free market will be the only thing that can carry the day.  

What our more intelligent elected officials should be doing is preparing gold and silver coinage for circulation.  At today&#039;s prices, it wouldn&#039;t take much to get it going.  A silver dollar will soon be worth $20.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall Street is doing the work of secession, sinking the Fed and soon the federal government will be officially bankrupt.  When the dollar is finally rejected and a foreign country assumes currency reserve status, the gamblers will disappear.  With few natural resources and hundreds of millions to feed, the U.S. Constitution and the free market will be the only thing that can carry the day.  </p>
<p>What our more intelligent elected officials should be doing is preparing gold and silver coinage for circulation.  At today&#8217;s prices, it wouldn&#8217;t take much to get it going.  A silver dollar will soon be worth $20.  </p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538369</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to nick gray:
well, if says so on his website, it must be true.  having to pay australian tax is the ultimate arbiter.  his abn number says he&#039;s a prince in his own mind only.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to nick gray:<br />
well, if says so on his website, it must be true.  having to pay australian tax is the ultimate arbiter.  his abn number says he&#8217;s a prince in his own mind only.  </p>
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		<title>By: M.Ross</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538301</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree! And it is apparent that as with other matters of gov&#039;t, few People even read most documents that created the gov&#039;t. Ex:

Prove This Statement Wrong! I submit:

The 17th Amendment Does Not Apply To Any States That Did Not Ratify It - Because They Did Not &quot;Consent&quot; To It, &amp; the Constitution Declares:

&quot;...; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.&quot; - Article V last clause.

The &quot;Consent&quot; clause is Written Inviolate by the framers!

No State Ratification Means No Consent, &amp; No 17th Compliance Required! A state must ratify to &quot;Consent&quot; to &quot;be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.&quot;! Which states did not consent?  Find each state&#039;s 17th amendment ratification documents. Rattle the states, not the feds!

This Is A &quot;Federal Question&quot; Of &quot;Great Public Importance&quot;!

&quot;The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now.&quot;
South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905).

&lt;http://mrossarr.nixsyspaus.org/17thamend.shtml&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree! And it is apparent that as with other matters of gov&#8217;t, few People even read most documents that created the gov&#8217;t. Ex:</p>
<p>Prove This Statement Wrong! I submit:</p>
<p>The 17th Amendment Does Not Apply To Any States That Did Not Ratify It &#8211; Because They Did Not &#8220;Consent&#8221; To It, &#038; the Constitution Declares:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.&#8221; &#8211; Article V last clause.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Consent&#8221; clause is Written Inviolate by the framers!</p>
<p>No State Ratification Means No Consent, &#038; No 17th Compliance Required! A state must ratify to &#8220;Consent&#8221; to &#8220;be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.&#8221;! Which states did not consent?  Find each state&#8217;s 17th amendment ratification documents. Rattle the states, not the feds!</p>
<p>This Is A &#8220;Federal Question&#8221; Of &#8220;Great Public Importance&#8221;!</p>
<p>&#8220;The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now.&#8221;<br />
South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905).</p>
<p>< <a href="http://mrossarr.nixsyspaus.org/17thamend.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://mrossarr.nixsyspaus.org/17thamend.shtml></p>
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		<title>By: nicholas gray</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538283</link>
		<dc:creator>nicholas gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Newson, then you&#039;d better tell Prince Leonard! On the website for Hutt River Principality, he&#039;s informing us that he is applying for UN recognition. He seems to think he is independent!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newson, then you&#8217;d better tell Prince Leonard! On the website for Hutt River Principality, he&#8217;s informing us that he is applying for UN recognition. He seems to think he is independent!</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538263</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to nick gray:
&lt;B&gt;&quot;The Australian Government does not legally or otherwise recognise the so-called â€˜Hutt River Province&#039;.&quot;

what&#039;s not clear about this?  snake hill is in the same boat. there&#039;s never been any successful secession in australia, and i doubt there will be any for many years, if ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to nick gray:<br />
<b>&#8220;The Australian Government does not legally or otherwise recognise the so-called â€˜Hutt River Province&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>what&#8217;s not clear about this?  snake hill is in the same boat. there&#8217;s never been any successful secession in australia, and i doubt there will be any for many years, if ever.</b></p>
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		<title>By: ed smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538226</link>
		<dc:creator>ed smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Secession movements may be squashed by World War III.  Nothing bring people together like a global crisis.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secession movements may be squashed by World War III.  Nothing bring people together like a global crisis.  </p>
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		<title>By: nicholas gray</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538216</link>
		<dc:creator>nicholas gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Newson,
Firstly, my last name is GrAy.
Secondly, the ATO comment does not preclude Hutt River being independent. Our Tax office is notoriously tight-fisted, and does take action against any schemes that might involve tax havens, or which it wants to interpret as a tax scheme.
And the case of Snake Hill is instructive. a lender wanted their property, even though they were ahead on the payments. They were shocked that the law was on the side of the lender, and decided to secede, not expecting success, but expecting publicity. The judge didn&#039;t laugh at them, and decided they had a valid cause under Australian law!
They have kept the property, and they seem to be really independent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newson,<br />
Firstly, my last name is GrAy.<br />
Secondly, the ATO comment does not preclude Hutt River being independent. Our Tax office is notoriously tight-fisted, and does take action against any schemes that might involve tax havens, or which it wants to interpret as a tax scheme.<br />
And the case of Snake Hill is instructive. a lender wanted their property, even though they were ahead on the payments. They were shocked that the law was on the side of the lender, and decided to secede, not expecting success, but expecting publicity. The judge didn&#8217;t laugh at them, and decided they had a valid cause under Australian law!<br />
They have kept the property, and they seem to be really independent.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Duncan</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538136</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LetUsHavePeace: The law &amp; religion are used to convince people that suffering injustice and slavery serve some higher purpose. This combination of faith &amp; force are so effective that we are left with no place in the world to escape. If just one oasis would spring up, it would threaten all the governments of the world. They know that. They will try to crush it. It may look hopeless but not when you consider the alternative of living in slavery. Those who resist on principle are probably less than 1%. That will change when people see a living example.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LetUsHavePeace: The law &#038; religion are used to convince people that suffering injustice and slavery serve some higher purpose. This combination of faith &#038; force are so effective that we are left with no place in the world to escape. If just one oasis would spring up, it would threaten all the governments of the world. They know that. They will try to crush it. It may look hopeless but not when you consider the alternative of living in slavery. Those who resist on principle are probably less than 1%. That will change when people see a living example.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ned Netterville</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-2/#comment-538102</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Netterville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LetUsHavePeace. I am pretty much in agreement with what Lysander Spooner wrote in his essay entitled NO TREASON, and in the section entitled &quot;The Constitution of No Authority.&quot; (http://jim.com/treason.htm) If one wishes to leave the United States while remaining  in territory generally thought to be part of the United States, and do so in conformity with The Constitution, the rule of law, and international law, one might consider moving to the territory claimed by the Republic of Lakotah for the Lakotah people (http://www.republicoflakotah.com/), which encompasses all or parts of North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana. The R of L has already seceded, so to speak, by formally reclaiming lands lawfully conceded to the Lakotah people by U.S. federal-government treaty and  declaring independence from the United States and its place among the nations of the world. There is no question in my mind that he territory in question was stolen from the Lakotah people by the same federal government that ceded it to them. The R of L is pretty much the brain child of Russell Means, a pretty straight libertarian. A Google search plus its own website provides considerable information on the R of L project, which certainly has my blessings for I do hope it succeeds. I wrote Russell Means and suggested as a means of gaining some revenue for the L of R that the Republic should begin issuing drivers licenses, registering motor vehicles auto tags, passports, and similar paraphernalia that national and state governments usually issue. I, for one, would love to buy an R of L drivers license, plates and passport, and would pay a reasonable amount for same--if the items were of similar quality as those issued by states and nations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LetUsHavePeace. I am pretty much in agreement with what Lysander Spooner wrote in his essay entitled NO TREASON, and in the section entitled &#8220;The Constitution of No Authority.&#8221; (<a href="http://jim.com/treason.htm" rel="nofollow">http://jim.com/treason.htm</a>) If one wishes to leave the United States while remaining  in territory generally thought to be part of the United States, and do so in conformity with The Constitution, the rule of law, and international law, one might consider moving to the territory claimed by the Republic of Lakotah for the Lakotah people (<a href="http://www.republicoflakotah.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.republicoflakotah.com/</a>), which encompasses all or parts of North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana. The R of L has already seceded, so to speak, by formally reclaiming lands lawfully conceded to the Lakotah people by U.S. federal-government treaty and  declaring independence from the United States and its place among the nations of the world. There is no question in my mind that he territory in question was stolen from the Lakotah people by the same federal government that ceded it to them. The R of L is pretty much the brain child of Russell Means, a pretty straight libertarian. A Google search plus its own website provides considerable information on the R of L project, which certainly has my blessings for I do hope it succeeds. I wrote Russell Means and suggested as a means of gaining some revenue for the L of R that the Republic should begin issuing drivers licenses, registering motor vehicles auto tags, passports, and similar paraphernalia that national and state governments usually issue. I, for one, would love to buy an R of L drivers license, plates and passport, and would pay a reasonable amount for same&#8211;if the items were of similar quality as those issued by states and nations.</p>
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		<title>By: LetUsHavePeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>LetUsHavePeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian:  You might want to look at Brian McGinty&#039;s new book, Lincoln and the Court.  It deals with the question that has been debated here - whether the nation was formed as a voluntary association of sovereign states or a permanent union created by the people through the Constitution.  
You might also want to read about Andrew Jackson and the nullification controversy.  Law review articles are to be avoided wherever possible, however.  Law students no longer read the Constitution or the debates that preceded Amendments; neither, for that matter, do their professors.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian:  You might want to look at Brian McGinty&#8217;s new book, Lincoln and the Court.  It deals with the question that has been debated here &#8211; whether the nation was formed as a voluntary association of sovereign states or a permanent union created by the people through the Constitution.<br />
You might also want to read about Andrew Jackson and the nullification controversy.  Law review articles are to be avoided wherever possible, however.  Law students no longer read the Constitution or the debates that preceded Amendments; neither, for that matter, do their professors.    </p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-538017</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liberty and the centralization of power are opposing forces. If we want to return to a state of freedom we need to devolve power back to states and local governments. That is a first step. I&#039;m a resident of NH, which if the weight of federal law were lifted in an act of succession would tranform into a fairly libertarian society. If there were immigration into the state, like the Free State Project would encourage than a post successionist state government could very easily begin devolving power down to the counties.
I think that we could all agree that the federal government is essentially bankrupt. The only choice left now to pay for leviathan is through the printing press, like all governments do. I believe that a &quot;safe haven&quot; state where people could declare residency, vote and have access to free, 100% reserve banking with accounts denominated in multiple currencies or precious metals would be an enormous liberating event for individuals. There could be an effective escape valve for Americans that will see the wealth erosive effects of monetary expansion which is all too inevitable.
If libertarian minded individuals could be convinced to practice a complete non-violent Gahndian movement and every initiative was completely legal and &quot;democratic&quot;, there would be essentially nothing that the federal government could do but watch as DC goes the way of the Kremlin. 
I signed up for the Free State Project and think that it&#039;s a great idea and i believe that there are enough people in America who do understand and love freedom, the problem is we are spread thinly across the country. We need to concentrate in a specific, small, free state and change it. Trying to reform DC is pointless.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberty and the centralization of power are opposing forces. If we want to return to a state of freedom we need to devolve power back to states and local governments. That is a first step. I&#8217;m a resident of NH, which if the weight of federal law were lifted in an act of succession would tranform into a fairly libertarian society. If there were immigration into the state, like the Free State Project would encourage than a post successionist state government could very easily begin devolving power down to the counties.<br />
I think that we could all agree that the federal government is essentially bankrupt. The only choice left now to pay for leviathan is through the printing press, like all governments do. I believe that a &#8220;safe haven&#8221; state where people could declare residency, vote and have access to free, 100% reserve banking with accounts denominated in multiple currencies or precious metals would be an enormous liberating event for individuals. There could be an effective escape valve for Americans that will see the wealth erosive effects of monetary expansion which is all too inevitable.<br />
If libertarian minded individuals could be convinced to practice a complete non-violent Gahndian movement and every initiative was completely legal and &#8220;democratic&#8221;, there would be essentially nothing that the federal government could do but watch as DC goes the way of the Kremlin.<br />
I signed up for the Free State Project and think that it&#8217;s a great idea and i believe that there are enough people in America who do understand and love freedom, the problem is we are spread thinly across the country. We need to concentrate in a specific, small, free state and change it. Trying to reform DC is pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Hayes</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-537998</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are we not to the point of secession? Has not the federal government limited free speech through the FCC and all kinds of taxes and regulations within the media industry? 
Have they not taken our children, or at least their very future, expecting them to pay off massive debt and spending? 
Have they not stolen from us directly through the income tax, and indirectly through inflation and various other taxes?

YES! the time for Secession is upon us, and the only thing that keeps it from blooming now is that the population has not come to realize just how bad its gotten. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we not to the point of secession? Has not the federal government limited free speech through the FCC and all kinds of taxes and regulations within the media industry?<br />
Have they not taken our children, or at least their very future, expecting them to pay off massive debt and spending?<br />
Have they not stolen from us directly through the income tax, and indirectly through inflation and various other taxes?</p>
<p>YES! the time for Secession is upon us, and the only thing that keeps it from blooming now is that the population has not come to realize just how bad its gotten. </p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-537961</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anon:
read the link i provided to nick grey.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon:<br />
read the link i provided to nick grey.  </p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-537942</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gil, while your juxtaposition of movie fiction with the phrase &quot;real-life&quot; is amusing, it is nevertheless inapt.

Most libertarians are not criminals.
Most libertarians do not want to live in gangs.
Most libertarians, while seeking a means to slow and arrest the growth of leviathan, believe in self-defense, peace and tolerance.

The characterization of arm-chair generals who effect killing so long as it&#039;s far from their own living rooms is more accurately placed, with a few exceptions, on the elitist policy makers that walk the halls of Congress, and who declare war in the name of freedom.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil, while your juxtaposition of movie fiction with the phrase &#8220;real-life&#8221; is amusing, it is nevertheless inapt.</p>
<p>Most libertarians are not criminals.<br />
Most libertarians do not want to live in gangs.<br />
Most libertarians, while seeking a means to slow and arrest the growth of leviathan, believe in self-defense, peace and tolerance.</p>
<p>The characterization of arm-chair generals who effect killing so long as it&#8217;s far from their own living rooms is more accurately placed, with a few exceptions, on the elitist policy makers that walk the halls of Congress, and who declare war in the name of freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-537848</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;just to be quite clear, hutt river is a scam, not a successful secession.&quot;

How so?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just to be quite clear, hutt river is a scam, not a successful secession.&#8221;</p>
<p>How so?</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-537837</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just to be quite clear, hutt river is a scam, not a successful secession.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to be quite clear, hutt river is a scam, not a successful secession.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-537793</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Hutt River Principality is a very successful example, haha - but it&#039;s a sui generis, yeah.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hutt River Principality is a very successful example, haha &#8211; but it&#8217;s a sui generis, yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9860/secession-is-in-our-future/comment-page-1/#comment-537760</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to nick gray:
http://www.ato.gov.au/atp/content.asp?doc=/content/62019.htm

experiment for yourself.  declare yourself prince, your home a castle, and rudd a foreign ruler.  let us know how you go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to nick gray:<br />
<a href="http://www.ato.gov.au/atp/content.asp?doc=/content/62019.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ato.gov.au/atp/content.asp?doc=/content/62019.htm</a></p>
<p>experiment for yourself.  declare yourself prince, your home a castle, and rudd a foreign ruler.  let us know how you go.</p>
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