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Are there Somali pirates off the Swedish coast?

April 17, 2009 by

According to CNN, perhaps there is: Four jailed in landmark Web piracy case

Can’t say that I have ever used Pirate Bay, but it’s incredulous to equate geeks that live in basements to gun-toting mercenaries. Who is the one holding hostages and demanding ransom?

See also: Stealing Music: Is It Wrong Or Isn’t It?
A Book that Changes Everything (Jeff Tucker’s live blog review)
Against Intellectual Property (pdf)

{ 19 comments }

Lars April 17, 2009 at 7:00 am

A producer of a good and a consumer of the good enters into an agreement, usually by exchanging the good for money. If the agreement doesn’t include copy right, then … well then it doesn’t include copy right. To break an agreement is a bad thing.

I hope that this comment is not off topic.

Kakugo April 17, 2009 at 7:45 am

Big media companies know very well they are fighting a losing battle but are not going down without a fight, understand this.
Walt Disney Company very honestly told they are betting on children-oriented musicals because “while people will always find a way to crack the protections we put on CDs and DVDs no self-respecting parent will give his children a fake Hannah Montana DVD”.
They understood they cannot win in the long run so they are adapting.
But other companies aren’t: I remember buying a CD from a renown media house. 100% legal and quite pricey too: it didn’t play on any of my CD players because of the copy protection key they put on.
Later a friend of mine informed me that the same music album could be found on “peer-to-peer” websites for free. He even offered “ripping” a copy for me. I declined because I wanted the company to either provide me with a copy I could actually listen to or with a refund. I hate losing money.
Here we have “pirates” providing a better service than a large and respectable media company…

Joakim April 17, 2009 at 7:46 am

Well, to give you an update on the trial and the conviction…

All four involved were sentenced to 1 year in prison each and 30 million kronor (roughly 5 million dollars) in damages to be split between them.

In fact, only three people were actively involved in the site, the fourth one (as far as I understand it), was sentenced even though he never actually took part in the site. He only considered it, as has been shown in email conversations.

That is weird.

Another thing is that the conviction says, that the it had NOT been shown that the accused had any knowledge that the specific copyrighted material mentioned had been on the site. However, it was enough that they knew that there existed ANY copyrighted material on the site.

This in effect means that it is ok to sue ISPs. ISPs do not know WHAT material is being shared, but they are surely aware that SOME copyrighted material is being shared.

And supposedly this is the ultimate goal of this conviction, that the “industry” can sue ISPs, and force them to take out fees, which “the industry” then can expropriate for their own use.

However, this trial is only the first, out of a maximum of three (and I am sure that this will go all the way up).

To give you a background on the “wonderful” swedish court system, the juries in Tingsratten and Hovratten (which are the two instances below the supreme court, Hogsta Domstolen) are made up of politically chosen jurors. The ruling party faction get to elect jurors for the courts. While they dont necessarily HAVE to choose politicians, or politically connected people, they very often do (probably to no ones suprise). Hence, the people judging are not legally trained, and are, of course, subject to political pressure.

This is why for those of us who “know” how the system works, the conviction came as no surprise. The political pressure is on to sentence these people. Before the trial there had been rumours going around about what would happen if they were not sentenced to damages and jailtime. It was rumoured that sweden would be excluded from WTO and would be subject to all sorts of international pressures (mainly from USA, and EU of course).

So, this will definately be appealed, and it will go all the way to the Supreme Court. In all likelihood, this case will not be settled for a couple of years. And it is only in the Supreme Court that they will get anything even resembling a fair trial.

Joakim April 17, 2009 at 7:47 am

Well, to give you an update on the trial and the conviction…

All four involved were sentenced to 1 year in prison each and 30 million kronor (roughly 5 million dollars) in damages to be split between them.

In fact, only three people were actively involved in the site, the fourth one (as far as I understand it), was sentenced even though he never actually took part in the site. He only considered it, as has been shown in email conversations.

That is weird.

Another thing is that the conviction says, that the it had NOT been shown that the accused had any knowledge that the specific copyrighted material mentioned had been on the site. However, it was enough that they knew that there existed ANY copyrighted material on the site.

This in effect means that it is ok to sue ISPs. ISPs do not know WHAT material is being shared, but they are surely aware that SOME copyrighted material is being shared.

And supposedly this is the ultimate goal of this conviction, that the “industry” can sue ISPs, and force them to take out fees, which “the industry” then can expropriate for their own use.

However, this trial is only the first, out of a maximum of three (and I am sure that this will go all the way up).

To give you a background on the “wonderful” swedish court system, the juries in Tingsratten and Hovratten (which are the two instances below the supreme court, Hogsta Domstolen) are made up of politically chosen jurors. The ruling party faction get to elect jurors for the courts. While they dont necessarily HAVE to choose politicians, or politically connected people, they very often do (probably to no ones suprise). Hence, the people judging are not legally trained, and are, of course, subject to political pressure.

This is why for those of us who “know” how the system works, the conviction came as no surprise. The political pressure is on to sentence these people. Before the trial there had been rumours going around about what would happen if they were not sentenced to damages and jailtime. It was rumoured that sweden would be excluded from WTO and would be subject to all sorts of international pressures (mainly from USA, and EU of course).

So, this will definately be appealed, and it will go all the way to the Supreme Court. In all likelihood, this case will not be settled for a couple of years. And it is only in the Supreme Court that they will get anything even resembling a fair trial.

Jeffrey Tucker April 17, 2009 at 8:02 am

They won’t go to jail. Won’t happen. This is all just PR propaganda.

Governments will never win this war on technology. We are talking about a free good here, infinitely reproducible. Not even turning the entire world in a prison will stop it.

Joakim April 17, 2009 at 8:22 am

I dont really think they will end up going to jail either, but I do think they will be sentenced to jail and damages in the next instance, Hovratten, as well. Simply because the pressure is on the politically chosen jurors to find them guilty.

However, I am failry confident that they will be found not guily in the Supreme Court.

Regardless of it being a free good or not… a distinction that could not be grasped in the trial… their “crime” consists in sending a list of IP-adresses to user A, that tells him which computers are sharing file Z. This is all that they have done. There is really nothing illegal in that. Google does it.

What was “proven” in court was that their intent was to “ridicule” copyright owners, and to facilitate sharing of copyrighted material simply by referencing the NAME of the site “Pirate Bay”.

By the same logic, had the site been named “Swedish Meatballs”, their intent could not have been proven, and they would have been found not guilty? I doubt it… this whole trial has been a joke from start to finish.

Worth noting is that one of the accused, Gottfrid Swartholk Warg, is, as far as I know, liberal to the point of being an-cap.

thblob April 17, 2009 at 9:03 am

The conviction has to be repealed. Otherwise Google will be next.

Peter April 17, 2009 at 9:06 am

However, it was enough that they knew that there existed ANY copyrighted material on the site.

Which is also weird, since no copyrighted material was on the site.

Joakim April 17, 2009 at 9:15 am

@ Peter

True, no copyrighted material was actually ON the site, but it was shared THROUGH the site. Or the site facilitated in the sharing of such material, and it was enough to show that they knew about, if only one single instance of that. And through their legal correspondance it was shown that they were aware, and did nothing about it.

Their argument was that it was a “user created” site, that let users decided what was on it. So they never actively deleted anything. This the court must have considered invalid, since they sentenced them for not cleaning up the site.

However, the equivalent to that would be that I should be able to sue the government if I get robbed on a government street, correct? I mean, its “their” land (at least they claim it to be)… but the public place is a “user created” place, and so it is quite absurd that I should be able to sue the government for facilitating in my robbery, if it happens on their land. In essence, though, I believe it is this that they were sentenced for.

Peter Surda April 17, 2009 at 10:07 am

@Joakim
> True, no copyrighted material was actually ON the site,
> but it was shared THROUGH the site.
The Pirate Bay (TPB) just provides metadata (the torrents), that in some cases may reference real data (e.g. movies, music, …), which is provided by a third party, and when accessed, would constitute a violation of the law.

The Swedish court has now ruled that this is illegal.

Let me provide a reductio ad absurdum argument by performing one more iteration. Mentioning TPB also provides metadata (name of their website) that references data (their website), which is provided by a third party (TPB), and when accessed, would constitute a violation of the law. Therefore, anyone who mentions TPB is violating the law.

Cheers,
Peter

Joakim April 17, 2009 at 11:11 am

Yes, well… :) In fact, from what I understand they dont even reference real data. They reference the location of real data… clearly an important distinction, one would think.

The accused is actually in the process of making a movie of this whole trial debacle. I believe it is called “Spectrial, a movie in 3 acts” (3 bc thats the number of instances the court system here has). It will be interesting to see it when it is done :)

And, again, this is only the first ruling of a possible of three. So there will be absurdities coming from Sweden for years to come.

Perhaps this will open people up to at least a few defincies in the current system, although perhaps that is really too much to hope for.

Joakim April 17, 2009 at 11:11 am

Yes, well… :) In fact, from what I understand they dont even reference real data. They reference the location of real data… clearly an important distinction, one would think.

The accused is actually in the process of making a movie of this whole trial debacle. I believe it is called “Spectrial, a movie in 3 acts” (3 bc thats the number of instances the court system here has). It will be interesting to see it when it is done :)

And, again, this is only the first ruling of a possible of three. So there will be absurdities coming from Sweden for years to come.

Perhaps this will open people up to at least a few deficiencies in the current system, although perhaps that is really too much to hope for.

James April 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm

It’s not even the case that traffic was shared through the site.

A quick primer on BitTorrent:

In traditional downloading, all clients connect to the same server to download files. This is how web traffic works, for example: all mises.org content is hosted on mises.org servers.

The problem with traditional downloading is that if the content you are providing is very popular, many clients will be trying to download it all at once. To provide enough network capacity (throughput) to allow all clients to download simultaneously is enormously expensive; entire industries (e.g. Akamai) revolve around providing services to do this.

The creator of BitTorrent realized that clients that are downloading a file could also be (simultaneously) providing that file to other clients. Granted, a typical user’s Internet connection has very limited upload throughput (as most Internet users download, not upload), but if many clients are all downloading at the same time, and they are all talking to each other, the aggregate throughput is significant.

In BitTorrent, a swarm is a group of clients that are all downloading the same content. The tracker is the server that is coordinating the activity of the peers in the swarm. The torrent is the file that lets other clients know the torrent exists: it lists the content (e.g. the files) and the address of the tracker.

The Pirate Bay does not participate in any swarms. They do not host any of the content contained in any swarms. All they do is provide a repository for third parties to upload torrent files; they index the torrent files and provide a search mechanism for them. That’s it.

What The Pirate Bay does is conceptually no different than what Google’s “Image Search” function does: it allows you to search for content that others are providing. That’s all they do.

True, many of the torrent files on The Pirate Bay reference swarms that are distributing copyrighted material. But downloading such a torrent file breaks no copyright. Only when you instruct your BitTorrent client to open the torrent file, join the swarm, and begin downloading (and serving) the content would you violate the copyright.

No court that makes any pretense of upholding any sense of the law could find that The Pirate Bay violated any copyrights.

AC April 17, 2009 at 12:16 pm

The large media companies are fighting a losing battle. As technology continues improving and lowering the costs to hobbyist and amateur musicians to make their own music, eventually the copyright model for creating music, movies, etc., will go the way of the dinosaur.

I’m an accountant by trade and a hobby musician. I’ve spent roughly $900 on recording equipment with which I can produce a song (this excludes the cost of the musical instruments). Granted, I’m not that good a musician, singer/songwriter, and nobody would likely pay to hear me and the $900 equipment isn’t the same as Abbey Road studio’s (famous studio where the Beatles recorded). But the equipment gap is much narrower than say 40, 20, 10 years ago and its getting smaller every year. The $900 of equipment I have is many times better than what was used 20 years ago, and in the hands of competent users can produce a sonically better album than was produced 20 years ago. The noise thresholds are lower, the effects processing is better, and the control of the sound stage and spectrum is much more finely nuanced. There are out there new artists and entrepreneurs that will come up with a successful business model without all the DRM and copyright rules. And once that reaches a tipping point, you’ll see the whole industry rapidly change.

This will happen with movies too, but it will take a bit longer than music as the gap in prof equipment to produce a good movie is a bit wider than the audio only portion. I dabble in video production, albeit quite minimally. But I as a complete self-taught amateur performed a 3 camera shoot (2 other amateurs helping) of our local church’s Christmas play, edited, cut it, post-production sound, etc., etc. It definitely didn’t have the polish of a commerical product (but neither did our children who were the play’s actors). The point is that there are people out there who do event videography, weddings, etc., who aren’t the big media and Hollywood types, but are obtaining better equipment at decreasing prices. Technology improvements further lessen the gap between pro and amateur, and eventually even the movie making business model will be revised, with the removal of copyright/DRM at its core.

I don’t pretend to know what the business model will be (if I did, I would be busy doing it, not typing this). But someone, somewhere is going to develop it.

This is also happening in the software development world. There is a small software company called Stardock, that is creating a revised business model for publishing computer video games and other software. For example, once the user buys the product, he no longer needs the DVD/CD to run the game and can load it on more than one of his own computers.

One last point. I find it amusing that Sony, a mega company involved in media management/distribution of music and movies, is at the same time a company that produces audio and video production software (i.e. Sony Vegas software) and equipment (i.e. Sony HD cameras) that will eventually be the undoing of its media management/distribution copyright business model. To the obvious question one would ask, why would Sony do this, the answer: COMPETITION. If they don’t continually produce a better audio/video product, someone else will and thereby earn their market share, resulting in lost revenues to Sony. And in addition, there may ultimately be more revenues to be earned by providing more and more people access to software and equipment with which to produce audio/video content than by using copyright laws to restrict the content pool.

Joakim April 17, 2009 at 1:01 pm

“No court that makes any pretense of upholding any sense of the law could find that The Pirate Bay violated any copyrights.”

Well, that kind of presupposes that Sweden is actually a “State of rights”. This is of course not the case :)

A lot of people were surprised to hear of the verdict, but I wasnt. Once you understand that the State does not look after you or your rights, it becomes quite obvious that they were going to get convicted.

Yes, Sweden is in many ways a “lost case”… but a lot of people are recently beginning to wake up. For instance, the third most read blog in Sweden is henrikalexandersson.blogspot.com, run by a guy running and organisation called Frihetsfronten (Freedom Front), and a small government liberal. And within two hours of the verdict, the Pirate Party received 500 new members. And with the recent development in the EU, with laws such as IPRED, HADOPI, the Telecom laws, and (in sweden) FRA, a lot of people are starting to doubt the sincerity and the motives of the politicians.

It reminds me of the book of Martin van Creveld, the rise and decline of the state, in which he points out that more and more people are starting to despise politicians. This is clearly visible in Sweden, at least among the people I associate with.

Of course this is part of the reason politicians want to regulate Internet. I can not even begin to fathom how I would have ever ever got in contact with ideas such as those from the LvMI or LewRockwell, but from the Internet.

And my case is definately not the exception. More and more people are waking up and getting the information. This is of course nothing short of an “informational revolution” (as compared to the industrial revolution). And, I believe truth, in the end, will be victorious.

And, lastly, I agree with you in everything you said.

Matthew April 17, 2009 at 3:03 pm

Adding onto James’ excellent description of how BitTorrent works, and echoing arguments made in the Pirate Bay’s vulgar (though entertaining at times) responses to threats of lawsuits, the Pirate Bay is conceptually no different than a phonebook that lists the addresses of libraries, music stores, and video stores, all of which possess copyrighted materials.

Daniel April 17, 2009 at 9:25 pm

Does anyone know how the Pirate Party is doing there? I know that they’ve got a lot of support in the society. Do they have any chances to get into the parliament?

Joakim April 18, 2009 at 2:09 am

I think there is a fairly good chance they will get into the European Parliament, and maybe even the Swedish one.

Although, I must admit, I am not really following politics too much these days.

Borislav April 18, 2009 at 3:37 am

@AC

There is a small software company called Stardock

Swedish Paradox Plaza is much better example.

If you want to download patches for Stardock’s games, you need to download and install Impulse which is pure bloatware. Brad Wardell is great man, but Impulse s*cks. Period.

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