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	<title>Comments on: Copyrighting Dance Steps&#8211;The Death of Choreography</title>
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		<title>By: Ray Birks</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-505298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Birks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apologies for the triple post above. Perhaps an admin can delete two. TIA.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the triple post above. Perhaps an admin can delete two. TIA.</p>
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		<title>By: Artisan</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-505212</link>
		<dc:creator>Artisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may not know enough about dancing but, can it be that dance &quot;steps&quot; are not as easily defined and therefore associated with their creator as to assume plagiarism in most cases? 

I&#039;ve heard there&#039;s two main systems of writing down choreography, but I wonder if they are very much practiced...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not know enough about dancing but, can it be that dance &#8220;steps&#8221; are not as easily defined and therefore associated with their creator as to assume plagiarism in most cases? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard there&#8217;s two main systems of writing down choreography, but I wonder if they are very much practiced&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Caveman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-505207</link>
		<dc:creator>Caveman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A blog on dance steps &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; IP and no comment from Silas?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blog on dance steps <i>and</i> IP and no comment from Silas?!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Birks</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504942</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Birks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the upcoming issue (Summer 2009) of the magazine I publish (&lt;i&gt;The Sondheim Review&lt;/i&gt;), we just happen to be including a short paragraph concerning copyright law and dance. I offer it for informational purposes only.

The not-yet-final version reads:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1960, [choreographer] Bob Fosse brought a show to the National [Theatre in Washington, D.C.] that was to affect the future of all choreography â€” not because of its impact on the art form but because of its impact on copyright law. The show was about a World War II Marine reject who, despite being discharged for hay fever, wants to return home as &lt;i&gt;The Conquering Hero&lt;/i&gt;. Its tryout at the National was so poorly received that Fosse was fired. Two of his ballets were retained, but without credit. Fosse took the case to arbitration and won, a judgment measured in cents rather than dollars as Fosse was more interested in principle than in principal. The case, &lt;i&gt;R. Fosse vs Producers Theatre, Inc.&lt;/i&gt;, drew attention to the glitch in copyright law that had allowed music, lyrics and books of musicals to be protected but not choreography. That law was changed to make choreography a protectable property.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The case, which was an &quot;awardâ€ by the American Arbitration Association rather than a full-out court-decided suit, is not a published document in a public record. The American Arbitration Association tells [us] that they maintain no archive which could be referenced. However, documents on the matter are in the Library of Congress&#039; Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon Collection.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the upcoming issue (Summer 2009) of the magazine I publish (<i>The Sondheim Review</i>), we just happen to be including a short paragraph concerning copyright law and dance. I offer it for informational purposes only.</p>
<p>The not-yet-final version reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1960, [choreographer] Bob Fosse brought a show to the National [Theatre in Washington, D.C.] that was to affect the future of all choreography â€” not because of its impact on the art form but because of its impact on copyright law. The show was about a World War II Marine reject who, despite being discharged for hay fever, wants to return home as <i>The Conquering Hero</i>. Its tryout at the National was so poorly received that Fosse was fired. Two of his ballets were retained, but without credit. Fosse took the case to arbitration and won, a judgment measured in cents rather than dollars as Fosse was more interested in principle than in principal. The case, <i>R. Fosse vs Producers Theatre, Inc.</i>, drew attention to the glitch in copyright law that had allowed music, lyrics and books of musicals to be protected but not choreography. That law was changed to make choreography a protectable property.</p></blockquote>
<p>The case, which was an &#8220;awardâ€ by the American Arbitration Association rather than a full-out court-decided suit, is not a published document in a public record. The American Arbitration Association tells [us] that they maintain no archive which could be referenced. However, documents on the matter are in the Library of Congress&#8217; Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon Collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Birks</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504941</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Birks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the upcoming issue (Summer 2009) of the magazine I publish (&lt;i&gt;The Sondheim Review&lt;/i&gt;), we just happen to be including a short paragraph concerning copyright law and dance. I offer it for informational purposes only.

The not-yet-final version reads:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1960, [choreographer] Bob Fosse brought a show to the National [Theatre in Washington, D.C.] that was to affect the future of all choreography â€” not because of its impact on the art form but because of its impact on copyright law. The show was about a World War II Marine reject who, despite being discharged for hay fever, wants to return home as &lt;i&gt;The Conquering Hero&lt;/i&gt;. Its tryout at the National was so poorly received that Fosse was fired. Two of his ballets were retained, but without credit. Fosse took the case to arbitration and won, a judgment measured in cents rather than dollars as Fosse was more interested in principle than in principal. The case, &lt;i&gt;R. Fosse vs Producers Theatre, Inc.&lt;/i&gt;, drew attention to the glitch in copyright law that had allowed music, lyrics and books of musicals to be protected but not choreography. That law was changed to make choreography a protectable property.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The case, which was an &quot;awardâ€ by the American Arbitration Association rather than a full-out court-decided suit, is not a published document in a public record. The American Arbitration Association tells [us] that they maintain no archive which could be referenced. However, documents on the matter are in the Library of Congress&#039; Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon Collection.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the upcoming issue (Summer 2009) of the magazine I publish (<i>The Sondheim Review</i>), we just happen to be including a short paragraph concerning copyright law and dance. I offer it for informational purposes only.</p>
<p>The not-yet-final version reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1960, [choreographer] Bob Fosse brought a show to the National [Theatre in Washington, D.C.] that was to affect the future of all choreography â€” not because of its impact on the art form but because of its impact on copyright law. The show was about a World War II Marine reject who, despite being discharged for hay fever, wants to return home as <i>The Conquering Hero</i>. Its tryout at the National was so poorly received that Fosse was fired. Two of his ballets were retained, but without credit. Fosse took the case to arbitration and won, a judgment measured in cents rather than dollars as Fosse was more interested in principle than in principal. The case, <i>R. Fosse vs Producers Theatre, Inc.</i>, drew attention to the glitch in copyright law that had allowed music, lyrics and books of musicals to be protected but not choreography. That law was changed to make choreography a protectable property.</p></blockquote>
<p>The case, which was an &#8220;awardâ€ by the American Arbitration Association rather than a full-out court-decided suit, is not a published document in a public record. The American Arbitration Association tells [us] that they maintain no archive which could be referenced. However, documents on the matter are in the Library of Congress&#8217; Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon Collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Birks</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504940</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Birks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the upcoming issue (Summer 2009) of the magazine I publish (&lt;i&gt;The Sondheim Review&lt;/i&gt;), we just happen to be including a short paragraph concerning copyright law and dance. I offer it for informational purposes only.

The not-yet-final version reads:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1960, [choreographer] Bob Fosse brought a show to the National [Theatre in Washington, D.C.] that was to affect the future of all choreography â€” not because of its impact on the art form but because of its impact on copyright law. The show was about a World War II Marine reject who, despite being discharged for hay fever, wants to return home as &lt;i&gt;The Conquering Hero&lt;/i&gt;. Its tryout at the National was so poorly received that Fosse was fired. Two of his ballets were retained, but without credit. Fosse took the case to arbitration and won, a judgment measured in cents rather than dollars as Fosse was more interested in principle than in principal. The case, &lt;i&gt;R. Fosse vs Producers Theatre, Inc.&lt;/i&gt;, drew attention to the glitch in copyright law that had allowed music, lyrics and books of musicals to be protected but not choreography. That law was changed to make choreography a protectable property.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The case, which was an &quot;awardâ€ by the American Arbitration Association rather than a full-out court-decided suit, is not a published document in a public record. The American Arbitration Association tells [us] that they maintain no archive which could be referenced. However, documents on the matter are in the Library of Congress&#039; Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon Collection.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the upcoming issue (Summer 2009) of the magazine I publish (<i>The Sondheim Review</i>), we just happen to be including a short paragraph concerning copyright law and dance. I offer it for informational purposes only.</p>
<p>The not-yet-final version reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1960, [choreographer] Bob Fosse brought a show to the National [Theatre in Washington, D.C.] that was to affect the future of all choreography â€” not because of its impact on the art form but because of its impact on copyright law. The show was about a World War II Marine reject who, despite being discharged for hay fever, wants to return home as <i>The Conquering Hero</i>. Its tryout at the National was so poorly received that Fosse was fired. Two of his ballets were retained, but without credit. Fosse took the case to arbitration and won, a judgment measured in cents rather than dollars as Fosse was more interested in principle than in principal. The case, <i>R. Fosse vs Producers Theatre, Inc.</i>, drew attention to the glitch in copyright law that had allowed music, lyrics and books of musicals to be protected but not choreography. That law was changed to make choreography a protectable property.</p></blockquote>
<p>The case, which was an &#8220;awardâ€ by the American Arbitration Association rather than a full-out court-decided suit, is not a published document in a public record. The American Arbitration Association tells [us] that they maintain no archive which could be referenced. However, documents on the matter are in the Library of Congress&#8217; Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon Collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Koerber</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504920</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Koerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who can claim that of the billions of people on the planet - most who cannot communicate their thoughts with the others because of language barriers - you are the only or the first to pull from the invisible realm &#039;your&#039; thought?

To that person the phrase &#039;vain imagining&#039; can be assigned.

Protecting your vain imagining is interventionism which is a small act of totalitarianism. If you were to gain power would you be just as unethical and because of the greater scale of your actions become a tyrant?

Of course we are not talking about intentionally fraudulent acts which are crimes, pure and simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can claim that of the billions of people on the planet &#8211; most who cannot communicate their thoughts with the others because of language barriers &#8211; you are the only or the first to pull from the invisible realm &#8216;your&#8217; thought?</p>
<p>To that person the phrase &#8216;vain imagining&#8217; can be assigned.</p>
<p>Protecting your vain imagining is interventionism which is a small act of totalitarianism. If you were to gain power would you be just as unethical and because of the greater scale of your actions become a tyrant?</p>
<p>Of course we are not talking about intentionally fraudulent acts which are crimes, pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<dc:creator>ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;#

All hail Kinsella&#039;s indisputable arguments!

Crowd: HAIL!!!&quot;


Sounds like a Hitler/Obama-ian crowd. 

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<p>All hail Kinsella&#8217;s indisputable arguments!</p>
<p>Crowd: HAIL!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like a Hitler/Obama-ian crowd. </p>
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		<title>By: Marc Sheffner</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504900</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this complaint covered by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig#.22Free_Culture.22&quot;&gt;Lawrence Lessig&#039;s suggestions of &quot;free culture&quot;?&lt;/a&gt; The &quot;chill&quot; effect on artistic creation is certainly scary (BTW, the short story &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html&quot;&gt;Melancholy Elephants&lt;/a&gt; explains the issues vividly.) 
But I disagree that &quot;the only question worth considering is Are ideas property?&quot; Surely, several other ideas are equally important: a) Is a dance (or a piece of music) nothing more than an idea  (especially once it has been given form)? b) How can I most effectively protect my property (i.e. my artistic product) from theft, and claim authorship?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this complaint covered by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig#.22Free_Culture.22">Lawrence Lessig&#8217;s suggestions of &#8220;free culture&#8221;?</a> The &#8220;chill&#8221; effect on artistic creation is certainly scary (BTW, the short story <a href="http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html">Melancholy Elephants</a> explains the issues vividly.)<br />
But I disagree that &#8220;the only question worth considering is Are ideas property?&#8221; Surely, several other ideas are equally important: a) Is a dance (or a piece of music) nothing more than an idea  (especially once it has been given form)? b) How can I most effectively protect my property (i.e. my artistic product) from theft, and claim authorship?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Skylark</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504868</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Skylark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[C.E.,

You have never paid $0.99 for full ownership over a song. In fact, upon purchase or sometime prior (think music subscription) you agreed to conditional ownership of that song. In this way, and using the current definition of IP, you do not &quot;own&quot; any of the songs you currently listen to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.E.,</p>
<p>You have never paid $0.99 for full ownership over a song. In fact, upon purchase or sometime prior (think music subscription) you agreed to conditional ownership of that song. In this way, and using the current definition of IP, you do not &#8220;own&#8221; any of the songs you currently listen to.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Fox</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504822</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[C.E wrote:

&lt;b&gt;If I have already paid my $0.99 for your song and created a visual expression of the music, from whence do you get the right to now &quot;own&quot; my expression of your song?&lt;/b&gt;

One of the most powerful arguments I have read on why protection of IP is foolish.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.E wrote:</p>
<p><b>If I have already paid my $0.99 for your song and created a visual expression of the music, from whence do you get the right to now &#8220;own&#8221; my expression of your song?</b></p>
<p>One of the most powerful arguments I have read on why protection of IP is foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Burkley</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504815</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Burkley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just from my personal experience,  all of the music that I like, all of the bands that I pay to go see, all of the art, dance, classical that I enjoy and support,  I have been introduced to for free by so called pirated music and images.  If I did not receive this initial infusion on culture I would not support any of these bands or artists.  Period.  Because I would not know about them, and I would not be willing to spend my money on something that do know know if i would like.  All in all, most of the things that I love and support are not copyrighted, and are public domain.  ( at least they are all aviliable for free on the internet)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just from my personal experience,  all of the music that I like, all of the bands that I pay to go see, all of the art, dance, classical that I enjoy and support,  I have been introduced to for free by so called pirated music and images.  If I did not receive this initial infusion on culture I would not support any of these bands or artists.  Period.  Because I would not know about them, and I would not be willing to spend my money on something that do know know if i would like.  All in all, most of the things that I love and support are not copyrighted, and are public domain.  ( at least they are all aviliable for free on the internet)</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/9502/copyrighting-dance-stepsthe-death-of-choreography/comment-page-1/#comment-504795</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All hail Kinsella&#039;s indisputable arguments!

Crowd: HAIL!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All hail Kinsella&#8217;s indisputable arguments!</p>
<p>Crowd: HAIL!!!</p>
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