This is an enjoyable debate between James Pinkerton (who is ok in some ways but could be much better) and Jeff Madrick, author of The Case for Big Government. Somehow the argument keeps coming back to Mises and Hayek.
You will note that Pinkerton undermines his own argument often, and never makes the point that government’s great “achievements” really displaced what might have been better achievements by private markets. Actually, he sounds more like a moderate right-wing social democrat than a real free-market defender.
Meanwhile, Madrick attributes all failures of government to “anti-government ideology”–which reminds me of the great excuse that the Soviets used for 70 years in which every failure of socialism was put on those who don’t believe strongly enough in socialism.