Michael Hartl:

A bit off topic, but I’m curious as to your thoughts on Hoppe’s criticisms of general relativity and quantum mechanics (admittedly from a philosophical/foundational basis, as opposed to a mathematical/technical basis).

This is interesting, Stephan; thanks.

I agree with Beckmann that coal poses health threats (in mining, transporting, burning and sludge disposal) magnitudes greater than does nuclear. While enviro opposition to nuclear has had regrettable consequences, such opposition is understandable given the close intertwining of the nuclear power business with the state – which continues to provide caps on liability, and damages the industry by preventing preporcessing and interfering in waste disposal.

As for Dr. Robinson, he is worthy of note chiefly in his role in providing the vehicle for a deliberately deceptive petition project regarding climate change:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

As I discuss in More Palmer Hoppe Distortions, on The Palmer Periscope:

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As for geometry and optics, it seems Palmer did not hear Hoppe clearly.  I do not believe he stated "that Ludwig von Mises had laid the foundation not
only for economics, but for ethics, geometry, and optics". Rather, as shown in On Praxeology and the Praxeological Foundation of Epistemology (text at notes 60-62, and note 62; from Economic Science and the Austrian Method)), which references Lorenzen, Dingler, Karnbartel, et al., regarding an entire body of "protophysics" –

Further, the old rationalist claims that geometry, that is, Euclidean
geometry is a priori and yet incorporates empirical knowledge about
space becomes supported, too, in view of our insight into the
praxeological constraints on knowledge. Since the discovery of
non-Euclidean geometries and in particular since Einstein’s
relativistic theory of gravitation, the prevailing position regarding
geometry is once again empiricist and formalist. It conceives of
geometry as either being part of empirical, aposteriori physics, or as
being empirically meaningless formalisms. Yet that geometry is either
mere play, or forever subject to empirical testing seems to be
irreconcilable with the fact that Euclidean geometry is the foundation
of engineering and construction, and that nobody there ever thinks of
such propositions as only hypothetically true. [61]
Recognizing knowledge as praxeologically constrained explains why the
empiricist-formalist view is incorrect and why the empirical success of
Euclidean geometry is no mere accident. Spatial knowledge is also
included in the meaning of action. Action is the employment of a
physical body in space. Without acting there could be no knowledge of
spatial relations, and no measurement. Measuring is relating something
to a standard. Without standards, there is no measurement; and there is
no measurement, then, which could ever falsify the standard. Evidently,
the ultimate standard must be provided by the norms underlying the
construction of bodily movements in space and the construction of
measurement instruments by means of one’s body and in accordance with
the principles of spatial constructions embodied in it. Euclidean
geometry, as again Paul Lorenzen in particular has explained, is no
more and no less than the reconstruction of the ideal norms underlying
our construction of such homogeneous basic forms as points, lines,
planes and distances, which are in a more or less perfect but always
perfectible way incorporated or realized in even our most primitive
instruments of spatial measurements such as a measuring rod. Naturally,
these norms and normative implications cannot be falsified by the
result of any empirical measurement. On the contrary, their cognitive
validity is substantiated by the fact that it is they which make
physical measurements in space possible. Any actual measurement must
already presuppose the validity of the norms leading to the
construction of one’s measurement standards. It is in this sense that
geometry is an a priori science; and that it must simultaneously be
regarded as an empirically meaningful discipline, because it is not
only the very precondition for any empirical spatial description, it is
also the precondition for any active orientation in space. [62]

62. On the aprioristic character of Euclidean geometry see Lorenzen, Methodisches Denhen, chapters 8 and 9; idem, Normative Logic and Ethics, chapter 5; H. Dingler, Die Grundlagen der Geometrie (Stuttgart: Enke, 1933); on Euclidean geometry as a necessary presupposition of objective, i.e., intersubjectively communicable, measurements and in particular of any empirical verification of non-Euclidean geometries (after all, the lenses of the telescopes which one uses to confirm Einstein’s theory regarding the non-Euclidean structure of physical space must themselves be constructed according to Euclidean principles) see Karnbartel, Erfahrung und Struktur, pp. 132-33; P. Janich, Die Protophysik der Zeit (Mannheim: Bibliographisches Institut, 1969), pp. 45-50; idem, "Eindeutigkeit, Konsistenz und methodische Ordnung," in F. Karnbartel and J. Mittelstrass, eds., Zum normativen Fundament der Wissenschaft.

Following the lead of Hugo Dingler, Paul Lorenzen and other members of the so-called Erlangen school have worked out a system of protophysics , which contains all aprioristic presuppositions of empiriical physics, including, apart from geometry, also chronometry and hytometry (i.e., classical mechanics without gravitation, or "rational" mechanics). "Geometry, chronometry and hytometry are a-priori theories which make empirical measurements of space, time and materia ‘possible’.They have to be established before physics in the modern sense of fields of forces, can begin. Therefore, I should like to call these disciplines by a common name: protophysics." Lorenzen, Normative Logic and Ethics, p. 60.

So Palmer is wrong. Hoppe did not claim Mises "laid the foundation not only for economics, but for ethics, geometry, and optics"; and does Palmer want to relegate to the dustheep in a wave of the hand thinkers like Lorenzen et al.?! This is a standard branch of apriori reasoning. Palmer may not agree with it, but so what?

Tom Palmer is clearly suffering from dementia, and not the kind brought on by old age.

Michael Hartl:

You mentioned you taught at Caltech? I went there as an undergrad (MIT for grad school), so I assure you I understand the underlying technical mathematics of modern physics. These are irrelevant to Hoppe’s point, which I’m afraid you didn’t grasp (perhaps you are relying on my rather sketchy synopsis, rather than Hoppe’s original writings?).

Interesting discussion — Dan Mahoney — been looking for you for years (Caltech undergrad roomie) — send me an email – kevin@kevcat.com