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	<title>Comments on: A Ramble &#8216;Round Old Birmingham</title>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8841/a-ramble-round-old-birmingham/comment-page-1/#comment-469178</link>
		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Canals in England started in 1761 with the Bridgewater Canal...&quot;.

That is not in fact the case. The first &lt;I&gt;navigation&lt;/I&gt; canals that were deliberately started as such began around then, but canals actually got going in England about a century earlier, as drainage works and/or water supplies. The two blurred, since a canal designed for one reason often provided function of the other sort as well.

Mr. Selgin misses my point. Certainly, Birmingham had a certain measure of local gain and advance in specialised skills and trades before the canals - but so did many other places like Dunster in the West Country, which has a claim to inventing the self winding watch. Certainly Birmingham&#039;s success could not have happened without those things as well as canals - but without the canal hub it would have been overtaken by whichever centre did get it, and there was no shortage of tradesmen to head for whichever centre turned up (e.g. James Watt, from Scotland). If you like, it was &lt;I&gt;Britain&lt;/I&gt;&#039;s freedom that mattered, not Birmingham&#039;s. Those features like the lack of a cathedral reflected its position as not being important in former times; for every feature that looks like a plus that way, there&#039;s another that works as a minus, like the lack of political representation.

See Disraeli&#039;s &lt;I&gt;Sybil&lt;/I&gt; for a fictionalised description of the place in the early 19th century (it&#039;s the place where the lock makers worked).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Canals in England started in 1761 with the Bridgewater Canal&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>That is not in fact the case. The first <i>navigation</i> canals that were deliberately started as such began around then, but canals actually got going in England about a century earlier, as drainage works and/or water supplies. The two blurred, since a canal designed for one reason often provided function of the other sort as well.</p>
<p>Mr. Selgin misses my point. Certainly, Birmingham had a certain measure of local gain and advance in specialised skills and trades before the canals &#8211; but so did many other places like Dunster in the West Country, which has a claim to inventing the self winding watch. Certainly Birmingham&#8217;s success could not have happened without those things as well as canals &#8211; but without the canal hub it would have been overtaken by whichever centre did get it, and there was no shortage of tradesmen to head for whichever centre turned up (e.g. James Watt, from Scotland). If you like, it was <i>Britain</i>&#8216;s freedom that mattered, not Birmingham&#8217;s. Those features like the lack of a cathedral reflected its position as not being important in former times; for every feature that looks like a plus that way, there&#8217;s another that works as a minus, like the lack of political representation.</p>
<p>See Disraeli&#8217;s <i>Sybil</i> for a fictionalised description of the place in the early 19th century (it&#8217;s the place where the lock makers worked).</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Shephered</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8841/a-ramble-round-old-birmingham/comment-page-1/#comment-468678</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Shephered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if this history is relevant to the modern virtual money found in online virtual worlds like Second Life?  They have virtual money that can turn into real life money for those who produce valuable services.  The IRS has already tried to clamp down on that activity]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this history is relevant to the modern virtual money found in online virtual worlds like Second Life?  They have virtual money that can turn into real life money for those who produce valuable services.  The IRS has already tried to clamp down on that activity</p>
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		<title>By: George Selgin</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8841/a-ramble-round-old-birmingham/comment-page-1/#comment-468591</link>
		<dc:creator>George Selgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although Mr. Lawrence is certainly correct to suggest that the arrival of canals in Birmingham contributed to its industrial development, the town was already well on its way to becoming Great Britain&#039;s pre-eminant manufacturing center before construction of the Birmingham Canal, the town&#039;s first, began in 1768, or 6 years after the Soho Factory&#039;s completion. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Mr. Lawrence is certainly correct to suggest that the arrival of canals in Birmingham contributed to its industrial development, the town was already well on its way to becoming Great Britain&#8217;s pre-eminant manufacturing center before construction of the Birmingham Canal, the town&#8217;s first, began in 1768, or 6 years after the Soho Factory&#8217;s completion. </p>
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		<title>By: Miklos Hollender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miklos Hollender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have the misfortune of living in Brum right now, and I wonder WTF is wrong with this place? Business and industry is all right, but the culture and the people... looks like every tracksuit-wearing obese drunkard with an IQ in the range of mushrooms lives right in this city. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the misfortune of living in Brum right now, and I wonder WTF is wrong with this place? Business and industry is all right, but the culture and the people&#8230; looks like every tracksuit-wearing obese drunkard with an IQ in the range of mushrooms lives right in this city. </p>
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		<title>By: Ray Spring</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8841/a-ramble-round-old-birmingham/comment-page-1/#comment-468332</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I lived in Brum, Hall Green for almost 30 years. My wife lived at Great Barr, Birmingham, North side of town, I was South side. The reason Birmingham was so successful was that it did not have a Cathedral. Noncomformists had to go to church, the Anglican one, unless they were not within a Cathedral area. Hence Birmingham had many nonconformist chapels, including the Cadbury Quakers. So all these competent radical people were stuck in one area and fed off each other. The Lunar Society met in Birmingham. The promise was, walk in to Birmingham, penniless, leave in a Carriage. Some did. 
Canals in England started in 1761 with the Bridgewater Canal and an act for the Coventry, Droitwich and Birmingham canals was passed by parliament in 1768. Matthew Boulton, 1728 to 1809, built his Soho factory in 1762. Visit the Science Museum in Newhall Street for quite a bit of information and exhibits. 
Note, I would not stay in Birmingham overnight. I suggest Lichfield or Stratford on Avon. Both have good commuter train services. Ray Spring.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Brum, Hall Green for almost 30 years. My wife lived at Great Barr, Birmingham, North side of town, I was South side. The reason Birmingham was so successful was that it did not have a Cathedral. Noncomformists had to go to church, the Anglican one, unless they were not within a Cathedral area. Hence Birmingham had many nonconformist chapels, including the Cadbury Quakers. So all these competent radical people were stuck in one area and fed off each other. The Lunar Society met in Birmingham. The promise was, walk in to Birmingham, penniless, leave in a Carriage. Some did.<br />
Canals in England started in 1761 with the Bridgewater Canal and an act for the Coventry, Droitwich and Birmingham canals was passed by parliament in 1768. Matthew Boulton, 1728 to 1809, built his Soho factory in 1762. Visit the Science Museum in Newhall Street for quite a bit of information and exhibits.<br />
Note, I would not stay in Birmingham overnight. I suggest Lichfield or Stratford on Avon. Both have good commuter train services. Ray Spring.   </p>
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		<title>By: Ray Spring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I lived in Brum, Hall Green for almost 30 years. My wife lived at Great Barr, Birmingham, North side of town, I was South side. The reason Birmingham was so successful was that it did not have a Cathedral. Noncomformists had to go to church, the Anglican one, unless they were not within a Cathedral area. Hence Birmingham had many nonconformist chapels, including the Cadbury Quakers. So all these competent radical people were stuck in one area and fed off each other. The Lunar Society met in Birmingham. The promise was, walk in to Birmingham, penniless, leave in a Carriage. Some did. 
Canals in England started in 1761 with the Bridgewater Canal and an act for the Coventry, Droitwich and Birmingham canals was passed by parliament in 1768. Matthew Boulton, 1728 to 1809, built his Soho factory in 1762. Visit the Science Museum in Newhall Street for quite a bit of information and exhibits. 
Note, I would not stay in Birmingham overnight. I suggest Lichfield or Stratford on Avon. Both have good commuter train services. Ray Spring.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Brum, Hall Green for almost 30 years. My wife lived at Great Barr, Birmingham, North side of town, I was South side. The reason Birmingham was so successful was that it did not have a Cathedral. Noncomformists had to go to church, the Anglican one, unless they were not within a Cathedral area. Hence Birmingham had many nonconformist chapels, including the Cadbury Quakers. So all these competent radical people were stuck in one area and fed off each other. The Lunar Society met in Birmingham. The promise was, walk in to Birmingham, penniless, leave in a Carriage. Some did.<br />
Canals in England started in 1761 with the Bridgewater Canal and an act for the Coventry, Droitwich and Birmingham canals was passed by parliament in 1768. Matthew Boulton, 1728 to 1809, built his Soho factory in 1762. Visit the Science Museum in Newhall Street for quite a bit of information and exhibits.<br />
Note, I would not stay in Birmingham overnight. I suggest Lichfield or Stratford on Avon. Both have good commuter train services. Ray Spring.   </p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8841/a-ramble-round-old-birmingham/comment-page-1/#comment-468238</link>
		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He comes close to the data he needs for the answer but stumbles away from it without noticing its significance.

The secret of Birmingham&#039;s success was location, location, location. Never mind that it had poor natural water resources, why did the canal go there at all? There were poor natural water resources because it was on higher ground than some other places, but the canal had to go there - or somewhere like there - to get to the other side. Not just one canal either, so it became a natural junction dictated by the location of other centres. It was being a hub that did it, nothing to do with freedom at all. If the canal network had intersected elsewhere, that place would have had the same boost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He comes close to the data he needs for the answer but stumbles away from it without noticing its significance.</p>
<p>The secret of Birmingham&#8217;s success was location, location, location. Never mind that it had poor natural water resources, why did the canal go there at all? There were poor natural water resources because it was on higher ground than some other places, but the canal had to go there &#8211; or somewhere like there &#8211; to get to the other side. Not just one canal either, so it became a natural junction dictated by the location of other centres. It was being a hub that did it, nothing to do with freedom at all. If the canal network had intersected elsewhere, that place would have had the same boost.</p>
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