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		<title>By: eoccupywallstreet</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-809901</link>
		<dc:creator>eoccupywallstreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They help the economy much in the same way a credit card helps someone pay their bills.

If they don&#039;t produce more than they spend, eventually, the bill becomes due.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They help the economy much in the same way a credit card helps someone pay their bills.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t produce more than they spend, eventually, the bill becomes due.</p>
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		<title>By: BioTube</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-723859</link>
		<dc:creator>BioTube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And how many of them were done by Marx, Karl?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how many of them were done by Marx, Karl?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-704217</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certainly they could.  They wouldn&#039;t even have to try hard.  They have plenty of nukes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly they could.  They wouldn&#8217;t even have to try hard.  They have plenty of nukes.</p>
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		<title>By: talkpc</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-696372</link>
		<dc:creator>talkpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many wars did we enter? Clinton is a moron. Didn’t you just hear him say that the bill doesn’t do enough because it includes too much tax breaks! He said there are hundreds of studies that say tax breaks don’t help an economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many wars did we enter? Clinton is a moron. Didn’t you just hear him say that the bill doesn’t do enough because it includes too much tax breaks! He said there are hundreds of studies that say tax breaks don’t help an economy.</p>
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		<title>By: website</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-696366</link>
		<dc:creator>website</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The industry has never paid its fair share of such costs, leaving the lion’s share to the average taxpaying motorists who are imperiled by sharing the roadways they support with the heavy trucks they must also support…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The industry has never paid its fair share of such costs, leaving the lion’s share to the average taxpaying motorists who are imperiled by sharing the roadways they support with the heavy trucks they must also support…</p>
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		<title>By: Telpeurion</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-679859</link>
		<dc:creator>Telpeurion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eisenhower saw the effectiveness of the Deustch Autobahn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eisenhower saw the effectiveness of the Deustch Autobahn.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Frank Robinson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-679754</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Frank Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Interstate Highway system was originally sold as a national security infrastructure so we could move troops and weapons around quickly and cheaply. It was a corporate boondoggle. Eisenhower may have eventually realized he had been snookered, but it was too late. Someone perhaps will explain why the railroads fell out of favor with Wall Street and corporate America. Of course, the rationale was used for railroads in their early days, but I am curious why one cartel was mostly abandoned to create another. Did it have anything to do railroads not using enough oil?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Interstate Highway system was originally sold as a national security infrastructure so we could move troops and weapons around quickly and cheaply. It was a corporate boondoggle. Eisenhower may have eventually realized he had been snookered, but it was too late. Someone perhaps will explain why the railroads fell out of favor with Wall Street and corporate America. Of course, the rationale was used for railroads in their early days, but I am curious why one cartel was mostly abandoned to create another. Did it have anything to do railroads not using enough oil?</p>
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		<title>By: cheritycall</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-469407</link>
		<dc:creator>cheritycall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, Do something to help those hungry people in Africa and India,
I added this blog about this subject:
in http://tinyurl.com/5hu74e]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Do something to help those hungry people in Africa and India,<br />
I added this blog about this subject:<br />
in <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5hu74e" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5hu74e</a></p>
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		<title>By: M E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-462441</link>
		<dc:creator>M E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter, 

There are many studies that support the idea that, while &#039;Trucks&#039; do pay road usage and fuel taxes/fees, their damage to said roads is hardly recompensed.

see: In 1991, the late Bobby Green, who was then Director of ODOT, explained it this way: &quot;The Department (ODOT) and the Federal Highway Administration believe the trucking industry should pay the costs of the damages its heavy trucks cause to the state&#039;s highways, roads and streets. The industry has never paid its fair share of such costs, leaving the lion&#039;s share to the average taxpaying motorists who are imperiled by sharing the roadways they support with the heavy trucks they must also support...&quot;

&quot;As a result of the continual increases in truck sizes and weights, as well as the phenomenal growth in the numbers of heavy trucks using these major routes (a 38% increase between 1980 and 1990), Oklahoma&#039;s highway facilities are deteriorating at a rate which exceeds our financial capacity to replace or even repair them.&quot; 
from this advocacy group:
http://advancedtransport.org/Articles/1125.htm

past that, amazingly, point #4 misses point #3.
WMT is a huge &#039;employer&#039; of Slave labor, partnered w/ The People&#039;s Army in the PROC, among other unsavory outfits..
see:
http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&amp;v%3Asources=webplus&amp;query=walmart+slave+labor

you know, it really amazing to see this article, I was just thinking, to myself, earlier this evening, &quot;ya know I really love those guys (LvMI), I just can&#039;t believe they&#039;re so willing to give WMT such a pass..&quot;  I guess you can file it under: Ripley&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, </p>
<p>There are many studies that support the idea that, while &#8216;Trucks&#8217; do pay road usage and fuel taxes/fees, their damage to said roads is hardly recompensed.</p>
<p>see: In 1991, the late Bobby Green, who was then Director of ODOT, explained it this way: &#8220;The Department (ODOT) and the Federal Highway Administration believe the trucking industry should pay the costs of the damages its heavy trucks cause to the state&#8217;s highways, roads and streets. The industry has never paid its fair share of such costs, leaving the lion&#8217;s share to the average taxpaying motorists who are imperiled by sharing the roadways they support with the heavy trucks they must also support&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As a result of the continual increases in truck sizes and weights, as well as the phenomenal growth in the numbers of heavy trucks using these major routes (a 38% increase between 1980 and 1990), Oklahoma&#8217;s highway facilities are deteriorating at a rate which exceeds our financial capacity to replace or even repair them.&#8221;<br />
from this advocacy group:<br />
<a href="http://advancedtransport.org/Articles/1125.htm" rel="nofollow">http://advancedtransport.org/Articles/1125.htm</a></p>
<p>past that, amazingly, point #4 misses point #3.<br />
WMT is a huge &#8216;employer&#8217; of Slave labor, partnered w/ The People&#8217;s Army in the PROC, among other unsavory outfits..<br />
see:<br />
<a href="http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&#038;v%3Asources=webplus&#038;query=walmart+slave+labor" rel="nofollow">http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&#038;v%3Asources=webplus&#038;query=walmart+slave+labor</a></p>
<p>you know, it really amazing to see this article, I was just thinking, to myself, earlier this evening, &#8220;ya know I really love those guys (LvMI), I just can&#8217;t believe they&#8217;re so willing to give WMT such a pass..&#8221;  I guess you can file it under: Ripley&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-461373</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But the claim is that it&#039;s cheaper for Wal-Mart.  That might be true if roads were funded out of general taxation, but that&#039;s not the case: taxes on fuel hit WalMart as hard as any other user, and road charges (per mile) for commercial vehicles hit WalMart but not you and me (private citizens) - WalMart is subsidizing our use of roads, not the other way around.  The total cost of roads, and thus the cost to WalMart would almost certainly come down in a free market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the claim is that it&#8217;s cheaper for Wal-Mart.  That might be true if roads were funded out of general taxation, but that&#8217;s not the case: taxes on fuel hit WalMart as hard as any other user, and road charges (per mile) for commercial vehicles hit WalMart but not you and me (private citizens) &#8211; WalMart is subsidizing our use of roads, not the other way around.  The total cost of roads, and thus the cost to WalMart would almost certainly come down in a free market.</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-461213</link>
		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter, you&#039;ve misread that. &lt;I&gt;By&lt;/I&gt; subsidising transport, it becomes cheaper &lt;I&gt;to the user&lt;/I&gt;, not cheaper in total cost; it&#039;s making someone else carry part of the true cost. Your mocking is precisely the reasoning of statists who think that if they intervene to make things have lower prices, they really are helping make things cost less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, you&#8217;ve misread that. <i>By</i> subsidising transport, it becomes cheaper <i>to the user</i>, not cheaper in total cost; it&#8217;s making someone else carry part of the true cost. Your mocking is precisely the reasoning of statists who think that if they intervene to make things have lower prices, they really are helping make things cost less.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-461207</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve often suspected that Wal-Mart -- and all big boxes -- couldn&#039;t exist without federal subsidies of transportation&lt;/i&gt;
So government can provide transportation cheaper than the market?  That would be a good argument &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; government...though I&#039;m disinclined to believe it.  What else can government provide cheaper than the market, pray tell?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I&#8217;ve often suspected that Wal-Mart &#8212; and all big boxes &#8212; couldn&#8217;t exist without federal subsidies of transportation</i><br />
So government can provide transportation cheaper than the market?  That would be a good argument <i>for</i> government&#8230;though I&#8217;m disinclined to believe it.  What else can government provide cheaper than the market, pray tell?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Clem</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-460772</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael A. Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points, especially about sweatshops and Wal-Mart.  I suspect that Wal-Mart became the target that it is simply because they became the largest retailer.  Worse, I suspect Wal-Mart of doing truly bad things simply because they&#039;ve already been accused of them and have nothing to lose by not doing them--that is, accusing Wal-Mart of evil has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, especially about sweatshops and Wal-Mart.  I suspect that Wal-Mart became the target that it is simply because they became the largest retailer.  Worse, I suspect Wal-Mart of doing truly bad things simply because they&#8217;ve already been accused of them and have nothing to lose by not doing them&#8211;that is, accusing Wal-Mart of evil has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  </p>
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		<title>By: Lyons</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-460696</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve often suspected that Wal-Mart -- and all big boxes -- couldn&#039;t exist without federal subsidies of transportation.  That is, without government paying for the roads and airports to get cheap crap from China to Main St., it wouldn&#039;t be cost-effective, and local mom-and-pops would thrive.

My point?  If you hate Wal-Mart, big boxes, suburbanization, etc., blame Uncle Sam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often suspected that Wal-Mart &#8212; and all big boxes &#8212; couldn&#8217;t exist without federal subsidies of transportation.  That is, without government paying for the roads and airports to get cheap crap from China to Main St., it wouldn&#8217;t be cost-effective, and local mom-and-pops would thrive.</p>
<p>My point?  If you hate Wal-Mart, big boxes, suburbanization, etc., blame Uncle Sam.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-460294</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, I&#039;d say 99% of the population wouldn&#039;t have a clue what you&#039;re saying, Art.  Worse yet, I&#039;d say a majority of people believe that government could &quot;end poverty&quot; if only government &quot;really tried hard&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I&#8217;d say 99% of the population wouldn&#8217;t have a clue what you&#8217;re saying, Art.  Worse yet, I&#8217;d say a majority of people believe that government could &#8220;end poverty&#8221; if only government &#8220;really tried hard&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: KY Leong</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-460239</link>
		<dc:creator>KY Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Most of us in the developed world would recoil in horror at the idea of working in a &quot;sweatshop&quot; for pitifully low wages and in relatively unsafe working conditions. That is because we have better options...&quot;

We have better (&amp; more) options because of the thrift and entreprise of our forefathers, who patiently and diligently built up the huge capital structure upon which we now draw our economic wellbeing, and that which the state is constantly trying to distort/dismantle/destroy. If we are not careful we just might well end up back in the sweatshops ourselves soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most of us in the developed world would recoil in horror at the idea of working in a &#8220;sweatshop&#8221; for pitifully low wages and in relatively unsafe working conditions. That is because we have better options&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>We have better (&#038; more) options because of the thrift and entreprise of our forefathers, who patiently and diligently built up the huge capital structure upon which we now draw our economic wellbeing, and that which the state is constantly trying to distort/dismantle/destroy. If we are not careful we just might well end up back in the sweatshops ourselves soon.</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-460137</link>
		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;If you&#039;re criticizing a &quot;sweatshop,&quot; make sure you have a good reason for it--i.e., criticize a sweatshop if it is actually enslaving people, committing fraud, or something like that and not because it pays &quot;low wages&quot; or offers lousy working conditions&#039;.

If that &quot;i.e.&quot; (&quot;in other words&quot;) had only been an &quot;e.g.&quot; (for instance&quot;), that would have been right. As it is, it&#039;s wrong because it leaves out a very common case: the sweatshops &lt;I&gt;themselves&lt;/I&gt; aren&#039;t doing that sort of thing, but the local kleptocrats are, and the sweatshops are what gives the kleptocrats an incentive for it, through the kickbacks, taxes, dispossessions/evictions of peasants so their land can be sold to the sweatshops, and so on that they provide. The sweatshop managers on the spot know this full well, and it&#039;s only wilful ignorance of the globalising owners that keeps them from knowing it too. How common was a case like &quot;...[for] some laid-off child workers in Bangladesh, the next best alternative was prostitution or starvation&quot; in the days when outside interests hadn&#039;t taken up local resources, like turning land and water resources over to factory or cash crop use? It still happened, but rather less (British understatement there).

As it happens, factories are usually much less harmful that way than cash crops, even so called &quot;fair trade&quot; versions, because &quot;fair trade&quot; only helps those locals who &lt;I&gt;still have&lt;/I&gt; a stake in it. It hurts those who were squeezed off subsistence plots, both by forcing them to race to the bottom for paid work in the cash economy (the &quot;Iron Law of Wages&quot;) and by bidding up the local price of staples because of a reduced supply. With factories, there would be almost no problem if it weren&#039;t for the kleptocrats putting on the squeeze.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;If you&#8217;re criticizing a &#8220;sweatshop,&#8221; make sure you have a good reason for it&#8211;i.e., criticize a sweatshop if it is actually enslaving people, committing fraud, or something like that and not because it pays &#8220;low wages&#8221; or offers lousy working conditions&#8217;.</p>
<p>If that &#8220;i.e.&#8221; (&#8220;in other words&#8221;) had only been an &#8220;e.g.&#8221; (for instance&#8221;), that would have been right. As it is, it&#8217;s wrong because it leaves out a very common case: the sweatshops <i>themselves</i> aren&#8217;t doing that sort of thing, but the local kleptocrats are, and the sweatshops are what gives the kleptocrats an incentive for it, through the kickbacks, taxes, dispossessions/evictions of peasants so their land can be sold to the sweatshops, and so on that they provide. The sweatshop managers on the spot know this full well, and it&#8217;s only wilful ignorance of the globalising owners that keeps them from knowing it too. How common was a case like &#8220;&#8230;[for] some laid-off child workers in Bangladesh, the next best alternative was prostitution or starvation&#8221; in the days when outside interests hadn&#8217;t taken up local resources, like turning land and water resources over to factory or cash crop use? It still happened, but rather less (British understatement there).</p>
<p>As it happens, factories are usually much less harmful that way than cash crops, even so called &#8220;fair trade&#8221; versions, because &#8220;fair trade&#8221; only helps those locals who <i>still have</i> a stake in it. It hurts those who were squeezed off subsistence plots, both by forcing them to race to the bottom for paid work in the cash economy (the &#8220;Iron Law of Wages&#8221;) and by bidding up the local price of staples because of a reduced supply. With factories, there would be almost no problem if it weren&#8217;t for the kleptocrats putting on the squeeze.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Tucker</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8783/blog-action-day-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-460023</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All excellent points but a couple of provisos. The immigration point about economics is sound but  very much complicated by politics: the welfare state, voter registration drives, guaranteed educational rights, tax-funded infrastructure strains and others issues are not illusory and produce backlashes among the overtaxed for a reason. 

As for school choice, this is really a local matter and is very much complicated by the extent to which school funding is paid for out of property taxes and tied geographically to home prices. In any case, changes in who can hop school zones is really a decision about the management of public property that has nothing to do with free enterprise as such. A free enterprise solution would be to privatize the schools, and let them include or exclude whomever they wants on whatever basis they want. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All excellent points but a couple of provisos. The immigration point about economics is sound but  very much complicated by politics: the welfare state, voter registration drives, guaranteed educational rights, tax-funded infrastructure strains and others issues are not illusory and produce backlashes among the overtaxed for a reason. </p>
<p>As for school choice, this is really a local matter and is very much complicated by the extent to which school funding is paid for out of property taxes and tied geographically to home prices. In any case, changes in who can hop school zones is really a decision about the management of public property that has nothing to do with free enterprise as such. A free enterprise solution would be to privatize the schools, and let them include or exclude whomever they wants on whatever basis they want. </p>
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