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	<title>Comments on: Supply Side Economics vs. Austrian Economics just before recession</title>
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		<title>By: stupid Art Lafer</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8635/supply-side-economics-vs-austrian-economics-just-before-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-810470</link>
		<dc:creator>stupid Art Lafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter is always right]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter is always right</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8635/supply-side-economics-vs-austrian-economics-just-before-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-698440</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See: Triffin dilemma.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See: Triffin dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Sharkey</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8635/supply-side-economics-vs-austrian-economics-just-before-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-690726</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Sharkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 19:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone point me in the direction of some literature on Austrian thought on supply-side economics? 

Thank you in advance]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone point me in the direction of some literature on Austrian thought on supply-side economics? </p>
<p>Thank you in advance</p>
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		<title>By: Marla Herbert</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8635/supply-side-economics-vs-austrian-economics-just-before-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-448398</link>
		<dc:creator>Marla Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only want financial advice from Peter Schiff now.  Boy, Laffer could not have been anymore wrong on his prediction.  Furthmore, he could not answer the question, &quot;When the Housing Boom goes away, what will happen?&quot;  He just says that it will be filled up by something else......  Well Laffer, what do we &quot;fill it up with now?&quot;  This guy is an an idiot!  If this subject was not so close to home as to what Schiff depicted, I might laugh right now......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only want financial advice from Peter Schiff now.  Boy, Laffer could not have been anymore wrong on his prediction.  Furthmore, he could not answer the question, &#8220;When the Housing Boom goes away, what will happen?&#8221;  He just says that it will be filled up by something else&#8230;&#8230;  Well Laffer, what do we &#8220;fill it up with now?&#8221;  This guy is an an idiot!  If this subject was not so close to home as to what Schiff depicted, I might laugh right now&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ball</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8635/supply-side-economics-vs-austrian-economics-just-before-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-447139</link>
		<dc:creator>Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;With lower interest rates you can buy more. It&#039;s great!&quot;

What a tool.

&quot;I&#039;ll bet you a lot more than a penny!&quot; Ha, so would I Peter. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With lower interest rates you can buy more. It&#8217;s great!&#8221;</p>
<p>What a tool.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll bet you a lot more than a penny!&#8221; Ha, so would I Peter. </p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8635/supply-side-economics-vs-austrian-economics-just-before-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-446874</link>
		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stanley Pinchak: &quot;Wouldn&#039;t trade need to be balanced at least in the long term average under a specie standard?â€

As gold left the country for imported goods, the money supply would fall, causing prices to fall. Remember that the amount of money in a country is totally irrelevant. Rapid changes in the amount of money is a different story. But mild changes in the amount of money will cause prices to adjust and commerce will continue as usual. However, there would be some tendency to equalization of trade because as prices fell in the US, our goods would become cheaper to foreigners and we would eventually export something. Paper money keeps our prices from falling and prevents this adjustment process.

In addition, if a country imports a good because it is cheaper than a domestically-produced one, then the cheaper imported good will increase wealth in the home country. The imported good will free up money that can be invested in new businesses or boost the sales of existing businesses. 

Take oil as an example. If we were on a gold standard, would the US be richer or poorer importing over half our oil? We would be richer by far, because we can&#039;t produce enough oil on our own, which would make oil very expensive if we didn&#039;t import some. By importing oil, we save huge amounts on the purchase of  oil. In turn, we refine oil and turn it into transportation services or plastic goods worth far more than the price of the oil.

The above assumes that all countries in the world are equally free and on a gold standard. If the US has greater freedom and a more dynamic economy than the rest of the world, as it did in the 1800&#039;s, then other people in the world will want to invest their savings in the US and we&#039;ll have a net increase in gold and the money supply will increase. 

The bottom line is that a gold standard won&#039;t necessarily cause balanced trade. It might if all countries were exactly alike. But if they differed much, the variables that need to be considered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stanley Pinchak: &#8220;Wouldn&#8217;t trade need to be balanced at least in the long term average under a specie standard?â€</p>
<p>As gold left the country for imported goods, the money supply would fall, causing prices to fall. Remember that the amount of money in a country is totally irrelevant. Rapid changes in the amount of money is a different story. But mild changes in the amount of money will cause prices to adjust and commerce will continue as usual. However, there would be some tendency to equalization of trade because as prices fell in the US, our goods would become cheaper to foreigners and we would eventually export something. Paper money keeps our prices from falling and prevents this adjustment process.</p>
<p>In addition, if a country imports a good because it is cheaper than a domestically-produced one, then the cheaper imported good will increase wealth in the home country. The imported good will free up money that can be invested in new businesses or boost the sales of existing businesses. </p>
<p>Take oil as an example. If we were on a gold standard, would the US be richer or poorer importing over half our oil? We would be richer by far, because we can&#8217;t produce enough oil on our own, which would make oil very expensive if we didn&#8217;t import some. By importing oil, we save huge amounts on the purchase of  oil. In turn, we refine oil and turn it into transportation services or plastic goods worth far more than the price of the oil.</p>
<p>The above assumes that all countries in the world are equally free and on a gold standard. If the US has greater freedom and a more dynamic economy than the rest of the world, as it did in the 1800&#8242;s, then other people in the world will want to invest their savings in the US and we&#8217;ll have a net increase in gold and the money supply will increase. </p>
<p>The bottom line is that a gold standard won&#8217;t necessarily cause balanced trade. It might if all countries were exactly alike. But if they differed much, the variables that need to be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: 8</title>
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		<dc:creator>8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trade deficits are just symptoms of underlying behavior. What matters is how they come to be. 

Many railroads were built with British capital and British capital goods. America was borrowing to finance expansion with imported capital goods.

Now Americans are importing foreign capital to buy consumer goods.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trade deficits are just symptoms of underlying behavior. What matters is how they come to be. </p>
<p>Many railroads were built with British capital and British capital goods. America was borrowing to finance expansion with imported capital goods.</p>
<p>Now Americans are importing foreign capital to buy consumer goods.</p>
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		<title>By: Oil Shock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oil Shock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Stanley. Could it be that the trade deficits between 1600 and 1800, that Laffer was talking about, were due to the large scale immigration to the United States? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Stanley. Could it be that the trade deficits between 1600 and 1800, that Laffer was talking about, were due to the large scale immigration to the United States? </p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8635/supply-side-economics-vs-austrian-economics-just-before-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-446792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a good point, Stanley. It may very well be that imports and exports would tend toward a balance in terms of gold. Someone smarter than I will have to confirm that, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point, Stanley. It may very well be that imports and exports would tend toward a balance in terms of gold. Someone smarter than I will have to confirm that, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley Pinchak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanley Pinchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t trade need to be balanced at least in the long term average under a specie standard?  The resulting gold flows under a net import or net export economy, would tend to  adjust the price of the different origin of goods in a manner opposite to the current trade balance.  Or am I missing something here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t trade need to be balanced at least in the long term average under a specie standard?  The resulting gold flows under a net import or net export economy, would tend to  adjust the price of the different origin of goods in a manner opposite to the current trade balance.  Or am I missing something here?</p>
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		<title>By: Due Stradi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Due Stradi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Listening to Laffer reminded me of a quote:

&quot;Positive, adj.: Mistaken at the top of one&#039;s voice.&quot;
--Ambrose Bierce 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening to Laffer reminded me of a quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Positive, adj.: Mistaken at the top of one&#8217;s voice.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Ambrose Bierce </p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read &quot;Crash Proof&quot; as well, and his economics are 90% Austrian. He even goes so far as to quote Mises in the book. He is bent about the trade deficit, but he frames it in terms of dollars held by foreign entities, and how those dollars will eventually come flooding back into the U.S. as the prices of imports vs. exports swings back the other way. As domestic goods become cheaper, foreigners will start importing more of our cheap products, resulting in hyperinflation of the dollar.

One argument he makes, though, is that China, for instance, is spending all its resources servicing American consumer demand and not focusing on domestic demand. He claims that they are poorer for it. At the same time, though, he claims that we&#039;re poorer for not exporting enough goods. You can&#039;t have it both ways. Either it&#039;s better to import more than you export, or you&#039;re not. I suppose maybe he&#039;s saying trade should be &quot;balanced&quot;, but there&#039;s no reason in a free market that would or should ever happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read &#8220;Crash Proof&#8221; as well, and his economics are 90% Austrian. He even goes so far as to quote Mises in the book. He is bent about the trade deficit, but he frames it in terms of dollars held by foreign entities, and how those dollars will eventually come flooding back into the U.S. as the prices of imports vs. exports swings back the other way. As domestic goods become cheaper, foreigners will start importing more of our cheap products, resulting in hyperinflation of the dollar.</p>
<p>One argument he makes, though, is that China, for instance, is spending all its resources servicing American consumer demand and not focusing on domestic demand. He claims that they are poorer for it. At the same time, though, he claims that we&#8217;re poorer for not exporting enough goods. You can&#8217;t have it both ways. Either it&#8217;s better to import more than you export, or you&#8217;re not. I suppose maybe he&#8217;s saying trade should be &#8220;balanced&#8221;, but there&#8217;s no reason in a free market that would or should ever happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think he handled the 2 income family issue poorly.  If both love their work then that&#039;s one thing.  Working to support consumption is another.  Woman or man providing the income is not the issue.  The reporter implied that he was sexist.

I&#039;m anxious for a response to Keith&#039;s question above.  I too thought the trade deficit was irrelevant, just as is the trade deficit I have with the grocery store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he handled the 2 income family issue poorly.  If both love their work then that&#8217;s one thing.  Working to support consumption is another.  Woman or man providing the income is not the issue.  The reporter implied that he was sexist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m anxious for a response to Keith&#8217;s question above.  I too thought the trade deficit was irrelevant, just as is the trade deficit I have with the grocery store.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This title is wrong. It should read, &quot;Peter Schiff better supply sider than Art Laffer.&quot; Laffer&#039;s appeal to consumption as evidence of economic strength is pure demand side. Schiff&#039;s point about saving and production is central to supply side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This title is wrong. It should read, &#8220;Peter Schiff better supply sider than Art Laffer.&#8221; Laffer&#8217;s appeal to consumption as evidence of economic strength is pure demand side. Schiff&#8217;s point about saving and production is central to supply side.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can he cite the trade deficit as a problem? All I&#039;ve ever heard from Austrians is that the trade deficit is irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can he cite the trade deficit as a problem? All I&#8217;ve ever heard from Austrians is that the trade deficit is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: IMHO</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMHO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;@ Gaurav Ahuja&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;He seems to think Americans buying more from non-Americans is something inherently bad for the American economy.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In &quot;Crashproof&quot; Schiff expresses concerns about us becoming too dependent upon the manufactured goods of other countries, because he feels that as the middle class in developing countries continues to grow, fewer goods will be made available to us. Therefore, he feels that it&#039;s in our best interest to keep producing manufactured goods.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gaurav Ahuja</p>
<p><i>&#8220;He seems to think Americans buying more from non-Americans is something inherently bad for the American economy.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>In &#8220;Crashproof&#8221; Schiff expresses concerns about us becoming too dependent upon the manufactured goods of other countries, because he feels that as the middle class in developing countries continues to grow, fewer goods will be made available to us. Therefore, he feels that it&#8217;s in our best interest to keep producing manufactured goods.</p>
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		<title>By: Oil Shock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oil Shock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schiff&quot;&gt;Here is what wikipedia says about Peter&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Peter Schiff is the president of Euro Pacific Capital Inc., a brokerage firm based in Darien, Connecticut. Peter adheres to the principles of the Austrian School of Economics and the Ludwig von Mises Institute [5]. Schiff frequently appears as a guest on CNBC, Fox News, and Bloomberg Television and is often quoted in major financial publications.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schiff">Here is what wikipedia says about Peter</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Peter Schiff is the president of Euro Pacific Capital Inc., a brokerage firm based in Darien, Connecticut. Peter adheres to the principles of the Austrian School of Economics and the Ludwig von Mises Institute [5]. Schiff frequently appears as a guest on CNBC, Fox News, and Bloomberg Television and is often quoted in major financial publications.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This would be hilarious if the consequences weren&#039;t so serious.  If CNBC and the like would be honest, they would stop inviting the jokers on the show -- the current situation lays wide open the lies of these &quot;experts.&quot;  It would be a good public service for them to review these on the air.

Wait, back to reality...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be hilarious if the consequences weren&#8217;t so serious.  If CNBC and the like would be honest, they would stop inviting the jokers on the show &#8212; the current situation lays wide open the lies of these &#8220;experts.&#8221;  It would be a good public service for them to review these on the air.</p>
<p>Wait, back to reality&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So he says the &quot;US economy has never been in better shape&quot;, well great, lets skip the 700 billion dollar bailout then.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he says the &#8220;US economy has never been in better shape&#8221;, well great, lets skip the 700 billion dollar bailout then.</p>
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		<title>By: javier</title>
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		<dc:creator>javier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gaurav,
Seeing that he was ron paul&#039;s economic advisor and the &lt;a href=http://www.europac.net/books.asp&gt;reading list&lt;/a&gt; on his website includes murray rothbard and henry hazlitt, I would say he is pretty close.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaurav,<br />
Seeing that he was ron paul&#8217;s economic advisor and the <a href=http://www.europac.net/books.asp>reading list</a> on his website includes murray rothbard and henry hazlitt, I would say he is pretty close.</p>
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