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	<description>Proceeding Ever More Boldly Against Evil</description>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262830</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 08:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perfectly demonstrating that from a contradiction, anything can follow. Well done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfectly demonstrating that from a contradiction, anything can follow. Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262815</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 08:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The troll is grasping at straws. If I considered such an insult immature, whence does it follow I view women as inferior? Else I&#039;d not see the insult as immature. Have fun reconciling that contradiction.

There is no contradiction.  You hate women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The troll is grasping at straws. If I considered such an insult immature, whence does it follow I view women as inferior? Else I&#8217;d not see the insult as immature. Have fun reconciling that contradiction.</p>
<p>There is no contradiction.  You hate women.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262803</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The troll is grasping at straws. If I considered such an insult immature, whence does it follow I view women as inferior? Else I&#039;d not see the insult as immature. Have fun reconciling that contradiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The troll is grasping at straws. If I considered such an insult immature, whence does it follow I view women as inferior? Else I&#8217;d not see the insult as immature. Have fun reconciling that contradiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262718</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inquisitor said:

&quot;I saw no other reason for it to attribute to me feminine pronouns as the like other than a cheap attempt to denigrate me&quot;

Seems pretty self explanitary - let&#039;s see what other think shall we?  Especially the women here, I wonder what their thoughts are?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquisitor said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I saw no other reason for it to attribute to me feminine pronouns as the like other than a cheap attempt to denigrate me&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems pretty self explanitary &#8211; let&#8217;s see what other think shall we?  Especially the women here, I wonder what their thoughts are?</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262679</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A dumb troll that can&#039;t even interpret pretty simple sentences properly, how novel. No, I can&#039;t be bothered to explain such things to a troll. Go on blathering like the imbecile you are. It&#039;s your own time you&#039;re wasting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dumb troll that can&#8217;t even interpret pretty simple sentences properly, how novel. No, I can&#8217;t be bothered to explain such things to a troll. Go on blathering like the imbecile you are. It&#8217;s your own time you&#8217;re wasting.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262678</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A dumb troll that can&#039;t even interpret pretty simple sentences properly, how novel. No, I can&#039;t be bothered to explain such things to troll. Go on blathering like the imbecile you are. It&#039;s your own time you&#039;re wasting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dumb troll that can&#8217;t even interpret pretty simple sentences properly, how novel. No, I can&#8217;t be bothered to explain such things to troll. Go on blathering like the imbecile you are. It&#8217;s your own time you&#8217;re wasting.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262658</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hard to face the facts huh? Can&#039;t be bothered apologising to all the women out there you slandered?

Though not.  (yawn)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to face the facts huh? Can&#8217;t be bothered apologising to all the women out there you slandered?</p>
<p>Though not.  (yawn)</p>
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		<title>By: TLWP Sam</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262556</link>
		<dc:creator>TLWP Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 03:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you meant to say &#039;whack-a-troll&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you meant to say &#8216;whack-a-troll&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-262549</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 03:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot the troll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot the troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-261396</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inquisitor said:

&quot;I saw no other reason for it to attribute to me feminine pronouns as the like other than a cheap attempt to denigrate me&quot;

Spot the woman hater!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquisitor said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I saw no other reason for it to attribute to me feminine pronouns as the like other than a cheap attempt to denigrate me&#8221;</p>
<p>Spot the woman hater!</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-261264</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and the like*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the like*</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-261257</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My my, the troll reveals its biases again. If only it read what I said carefully, instead of injecting its own stupidity into everything it sees. I saw no other reason for it to attribute to me feminine pronouns as the like other than a cheap attempt to denigrate me - and as it should be clear from what I said, I find any such attempt immature. From this, anyone with half a brain would realize what my position on such insults is. Apparently expecting a hostile troll to be, well, hostile, is now paranoia. I leave it to the readers of this blog to evaluate the troll&#039;s statements as they stand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My my, the troll reveals its biases again. If only it read what I said carefully, instead of injecting its own stupidity into everything it sees. I saw no other reason for it to attribute to me feminine pronouns as the like other than a cheap attempt to denigrate me &#8211; and as it should be clear from what I said, I find any such attempt immature. From this, anyone with half a brain would realize what my position on such insults is. Apparently expecting a hostile troll to be, well, hostile, is now paranoia. I leave it to the readers of this blog to evaluate the troll&#8217;s statements as they stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-261161</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inquisitor:

Who said it was an insult.  Are you paranoid?  Do you somehow think women are inferior?  Because that is how it is coming out.  Not only a confederate flag waving troll but but a sexist too?  Sad.

Scott D:

Minimal redistribution is only meant to feed the poor of the state from which is governs - not the world.  It is free-market charity that tries to feed the worlds poor but shows again and again why it is unable to do so - personal preferences will never allow the last person to be fed.

Minimal redistribution has only the same failings as the free-market that prevent it from working.  These are the organs of the state not doing their job properly.  The free-market requires rules provided by courts and a police force in order to function and these MUST be provided by the state.  Were these not to be provided by the state you have a state of ANARCHY in which we are actually already in - just that the largest voluntary groups are called governments.  

There is the same potential and scope for negative consequences if the provision of these services go awry than if the redistribution mechanism goes wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquisitor:</p>
<p>Who said it was an insult.  Are you paranoid?  Do you somehow think women are inferior?  Because that is how it is coming out.  Not only a confederate flag waving troll but but a sexist too?  Sad.</p>
<p>Scott D:</p>
<p>Minimal redistribution is only meant to feed the poor of the state from which is governs &#8211; not the world.  It is free-market charity that tries to feed the worlds poor but shows again and again why it is unable to do so &#8211; personal preferences will never allow the last person to be fed.</p>
<p>Minimal redistribution has only the same failings as the free-market that prevent it from working.  These are the organs of the state not doing their job properly.  The free-market requires rules provided by courts and a police force in order to function and these MUST be provided by the state.  Were these not to be provided by the state you have a state of ANARCHY in which we are actually already in &#8211; just that the largest voluntary groups are called governments.  </p>
<p>There is the same potential and scope for negative consequences if the provision of these services go awry than if the redistribution mechanism goes wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott D</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-259589</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Owen,

You also might want to read this:

http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html

I think that there is a lot wrong with Hardin&#039;s economic views in general, but he does lay out the case quite convincingly for why redistribution, carried out with the aim of feeding the world&#039;s poor, is a path to self-destruction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen,</p>
<p>You also might want to read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html</a></p>
<p>I think that there is a lot wrong with Hardin&#8217;s economic views in general, but he does lay out the case quite convincingly for why redistribution, carried out with the aim of feeding the world&#8217;s poor, is a path to self-destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-259382</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.mises.org/archives/008060.asp#comment-259382</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;maybe it&#039;s just so horribly immature it is trying to insult me by referring to me as female.&quot;

For rational individuals, this should mean that referring to one as female in order to insult is immature. How this entails a problem on my part with women is beyond me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;maybe it&#8217;s just so horribly immature it is trying to insult me by referring to me as female.&#8221;</p>
<p>For rational individuals, this should mean that referring to one as female in order to insult is immature. How this entails a problem on my part with women is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-258913</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Newson:

Democratic minimal redistribution by its very nature only redistributes amongst the members of that country.  There is no requirement to undertake any foreign aid - this should all be done by private charity as you suggest.

Problem is that the low amounts of such charitable aid amongst such obvious plenty in the developed world gives one little confidence that were there to be more money in these peoples back pockets that they would donate enough more or simply buy another Hummer.

Overseas Charitable Aid is not a necessary requirement of free-market charity because each country should be able to look after itself more or less.  Overseas charitable Aid SO FAR gives a very poor indication of the desire or preference to help everyone that actually needs it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newson:</p>
<p>Democratic minimal redistribution by its very nature only redistributes amongst the members of that country.  There is no requirement to undertake any foreign aid &#8211; this should all be done by private charity as you suggest.</p>
<p>Problem is that the low amounts of such charitable aid amongst such obvious plenty in the developed world gives one little confidence that were there to be more money in these peoples back pockets that they would donate enough more or simply buy another Hummer.</p>
<p>Overseas Charitable Aid is not a necessary requirement of free-market charity because each country should be able to look after itself more or less.  Overseas charitable Aid SO FAR gives a very poor indication of the desire or preference to help everyone that actually needs it.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-258827</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sani obacha, former military ruler of nigeria, stashed over 2 billion usd in swiss banks (thank you government aid, more please!).

ferdinand marcos of the philippines, over 500 million usd, and we&#039;re talking about when the dollar was worth a lot more.

the list of bad guys is endless, tax  revenues are not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sani obacha, former military ruler of nigeria, stashed over 2 billion usd in swiss banks (thank you government aid, more please!).</p>
<p>ferdinand marcos of the philippines, over 500 million usd, and we&#8217;re talking about when the dollar was worth a lot more.</p>
<p>the list of bad guys is endless, tax  revenues are not.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-258823</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[please read &quot;aid&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please read &#8220;aid&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-258818</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Newson:

You are correct that alot of development aid comes from western governments and there is general agreement it is not enough.  Therefore it is not minimal redistribution because it does not even meet basic necessities.

If you are sure there are no countries that can be used as a comparison then I accept your point.  There really is no definitive evidence either way that charity can or can&#039;t provide for the needy.  However there isn&#039;t any credible evidence that it can&#039;t.

That was in fact my original proposition that we don&#039;t know for sure whether charity would work but we do know for sure that if a stable, democratic government with a firm rule of law and running liberal free-market policies redistributed a minimal amount of resources to cover the basic needs of the poor then this would DEFINATELY work.  Choose any developed country and eliminate all taxes except a minimal redistribution and watch the economy flourish whilst no-one starves.

Under a pure free-market this is probable but you just cannot say for sure.

The Catholic Church would err on the side of caution because the minimal amount lost has significant gains of ensuring the poor are fed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newson:</p>
<p>You are correct that alot of development aid comes from western governments and there is general agreement it is not enough.  Therefore it is not minimal redistribution because it does not even meet basic necessities.</p>
<p>If you are sure there are no countries that can be used as a comparison then I accept your point.  There really is no definitive evidence either way that charity can or can&#8217;t provide for the needy.  However there isn&#8217;t any credible evidence that it can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That was in fact my original proposition that we don&#8217;t know for sure whether charity would work but we do know for sure that if a stable, democratic government with a firm rule of law and running liberal free-market policies redistributed a minimal amount of resources to cover the basic needs of the poor then this would DEFINATELY work.  Choose any developed country and eliminate all taxes except a minimal redistribution and watch the economy flourish whilst no-one starves.</p>
<p>Under a pure free-market this is probable but you just cannot say for sure.</p>
<p>The Catholic Church would err on the side of caution because the minimal amount lost has significant gains of ensuring the poor are fed.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8060/catholic-social-teaching-and-the-market/comment-page-4/#comment-258777</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to owen:
i highlighted the section to encourage you to read it - it&#039;s actually &lt;B&gt;your&lt;/B&gt; suggestion to end third world poverty, and it&#039;s the current system.  government to government aide already dwarfs private charity. why is &lt;B&gt;your &lt;/B&gt;system not working?

here it is again, re-articulated:&lt;B&gt;
&quot;how do you propose to ensure that monies, collected via taxes from wealthy-nation citizens, actually arrive to the poor, not intercepted by corrupt  government officials?&quot;&lt;/B&gt;

your answer seems to be, let&#039;s forget about those countries and concentrate on the easy-access countries (of which there are none, because they all have huge import taxes, custom imposts, regulations etc).  there are no countries in dire need of aide who have secure property rights.

ethiopia has more resources for sustenance than singapore or hong kong, which were poor forty years ago.  the latter got no aide, ethiopia has had bucketloads (and most from redistribution).  why is your redistribution failing, notwithstanding the billions spent?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to owen:<br />
i highlighted the section to encourage you to read it &#8211; it&#8217;s actually <b>your</b> suggestion to end third world poverty, and it&#8217;s the current system.  government to government aide already dwarfs private charity. why is <b>your </b>system not working?</p>
<p>here it is again, re-articulated:<b><br />
&#8220;how do you propose to ensure that monies, collected via taxes from wealthy-nation citizens, actually arrive to the poor, not intercepted by corrupt  government officials?&#8221;</b></p>
<p>your answer seems to be, let&#8217;s forget about those countries and concentrate on the easy-access countries (of which there are none, because they all have huge import taxes, custom imposts, regulations etc).  there are no countries in dire need of aide who have secure property rights.</p>
<p>ethiopia has more resources for sustenance than singapore or hong kong, which were poor forty years ago.  the latter got no aide, ethiopia has had bucketloads (and most from redistribution).  why is your redistribution failing, notwithstanding the billions spent?</p>
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