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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-253959</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case that link does not work for other people, here is my review of the same book for the Mises daily articles.
http://mises.org/article.aspx?Id=689&amp;month=32]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case that link does not work for other people, here is my review of the same book for the Mises daily articles.<br />
<a href="http://mises.org/article.aspx?Id=689&#038;month=32" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/article.aspx?Id=689&#038;month=32</a></p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-253763</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 21:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rafe, the last link you posted doesn&#039;t seem to work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe, the last link you posted doesn&#8217;t seem to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-253755</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 21:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to LF for a helpful accont of some perceived problems with the social and poliitcal philosophy of Karl Popper. It is helpful to indicate some aspects where a better grasp of Popper&#039;s ideas will enable libertarians to gain more benefit from his work and build synergy between the work of Popper and the other Austrians.

It is most unfortunate that Popper&#039;s closest colleague while he wrote The Open Society was Colin Simkin, soon to be a professor of economics, during his Keynesian and social democrat phase. Later he became an admirer of Hayek and Margaret Thatcher, although he never came to terms with the Misean a priori or the strong version of libertarianism. 

If someone like Bill Hutt or Hayek had claimed Popper&#039;s undivided attention for a few minutes he should have learned that unemployment and monopolies (two major evils in his eyes), are caused by interference with the market and with that insight in place he would have been more helpful. Still, even in 1945 he was not in favour of redistribution or central planning and the more he saw of the postwar welfare state the less he liked it. 

&quot;Popper made no attempt to distinguish between democracy and freedom...My impression is that Popper believed that contemporary unlimited democracy was under all aspects good, and found nothing strange in the incredible concentration of power in the hands of our &quot;representatives&quot;: the reasoning being, most likely, that he thought he could find a way out of the &quot;moral conundrum&quot; in the will of the majority.&quot;

I don&#039;t know where the idea arose that he thought unlimited is benign because in the OSE chapter on leadership he demonstrated that all theories of sovereignty are paradoxical (what if the majority turn to a dictator?) and democracy has to be sought in some other direction than the will of the majority in order to maintain freedom. Like Hayek he saw that unlimited democracy was no better than any other kind of  tyranny. Like Mises he saw that the idea of  majority rule (with elected representatives) is not a deep philosophical answer or a failsafe to protect freedom, it is just a procedure for changing the leadership without violence.
http://www.the-rathouse.com/OpenSocietyOnLIne/Chapter-7-Leadership.html

As to his attitude to the concentration of power, he considered that all  concentrations of power are dangerous and they all need to be limited, monitored, balanced in all ways possible. His Mont Pelerin paper on the dangers of public opinion (an irresponsible form of power) is interesting, it contains his statement of liberal principles which should be reassuring; &quot;the state is a necessary evil&quot; for example.
http://www.the-rathouse.com/CRPublicOpinion17.html

He always warned that any extention of state activity is a potential threat to freedom and should be limited to the  minimum. Admittedly that is subject to broad interpretation, the leaders of the EU might claim that &quot;we are all minimum staters now&quot; but they just believe in a big minimum.

He also demanded evaluation of the effects of all policies so that errors can be detected early in the piece. Application of that principle would have seen off socialism and interventionism a long time ago.

More could be said but that should be enough to indicate that there is more for libertarians in the works of Popper than most people appreciate, especially those followers of  Popper who are social democrats. That especially applies to Malalchi Hacohen who hoped that his magesterial biography might enable the left to reclaim Popper as their own. In this review I have argued that Hacohen&#039;s hope is doomed to fail!

http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=369
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to LF for a helpful accont of some perceived problems with the social and poliitcal philosophy of Karl Popper. It is helpful to indicate some aspects where a better grasp of Popper&#8217;s ideas will enable libertarians to gain more benefit from his work and build synergy between the work of Popper and the other Austrians.</p>
<p>It is most unfortunate that Popper&#8217;s closest colleague while he wrote The Open Society was Colin Simkin, soon to be a professor of economics, during his Keynesian and social democrat phase. Later he became an admirer of Hayek and Margaret Thatcher, although he never came to terms with the Misean a priori or the strong version of libertarianism. </p>
<p>If someone like Bill Hutt or Hayek had claimed Popper&#8217;s undivided attention for a few minutes he should have learned that unemployment and monopolies (two major evils in his eyes), are caused by interference with the market and with that insight in place he would have been more helpful. Still, even in 1945 he was not in favour of redistribution or central planning and the more he saw of the postwar welfare state the less he liked it. </p>
<p>&#8220;Popper made no attempt to distinguish between democracy and freedom&#8230;My impression is that Popper believed that contemporary unlimited democracy was under all aspects good, and found nothing strange in the incredible concentration of power in the hands of our &#8220;representatives&#8221;: the reasoning being, most likely, that he thought he could find a way out of the &#8220;moral conundrum&#8221; in the will of the majority.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where the idea arose that he thought unlimited is benign because in the OSE chapter on leadership he demonstrated that all theories of sovereignty are paradoxical (what if the majority turn to a dictator?) and democracy has to be sought in some other direction than the will of the majority in order to maintain freedom. Like Hayek he saw that unlimited democracy was no better than any other kind of  tyranny. Like Mises he saw that the idea of  majority rule (with elected representatives) is not a deep philosophical answer or a failsafe to protect freedom, it is just a procedure for changing the leadership without violence.<br />
<a href="http://www.the-rathouse.com/OpenSocietyOnLIne/Chapter-7-Leadership.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-rathouse.com/OpenSocietyOnLIne/Chapter-7-Leadership.html</a></p>
<p>As to his attitude to the concentration of power, he considered that all  concentrations of power are dangerous and they all need to be limited, monitored, balanced in all ways possible. His Mont Pelerin paper on the dangers of public opinion (an irresponsible form of power) is interesting, it contains his statement of liberal principles which should be reassuring; &#8220;the state is a necessary evil&#8221; for example.<br />
<a href="http://www.the-rathouse.com/CRPublicOpinion17.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-rathouse.com/CRPublicOpinion17.html</a></p>
<p>He always warned that any extention of state activity is a potential threat to freedom and should be limited to the  minimum. Admittedly that is subject to broad interpretation, the leaders of the EU might claim that &#8220;we are all minimum staters now&#8221; but they just believe in a big minimum.</p>
<p>He also demanded evaluation of the effects of all policies so that errors can be detected early in the piece. Application of that principle would have seen off socialism and interventionism a long time ago.</p>
<p>More could be said but that should be enough to indicate that there is more for libertarians in the works of Popper than most people appreciate, especially those followers of  Popper who are social democrats. That especially applies to Malalchi Hacohen who hoped that his magesterial biography might enable the left to reclaim Popper as their own. In this review I have argued that Hacohen&#8217;s hope is doomed to fail!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=369" rel="nofollow">http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=369</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Clem</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-245549</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael A. Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But with humanity, controlled experiments are almost impossible. The number of variables needing to be controlled are to numerous and we often don&#039;t even know what they are, and the circumstances are never exactly identical as they are in a controlled experiment.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Sure, I recognize that, and that&#039;s exactly why the social sciences can&#039;t work like the hard sciences, although I&#039;m not sure if the complexity is merely one of degree that could theoretically be resolved (all variables known and accounted for), or if there&#039;s some fundamental complexity that would make it impossible to overcome. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But with humanity, controlled experiments are almost impossible. The number of variables needing to be controlled are to numerous and we often don&#8217;t even know what they are, and the circumstances are never exactly identical as they are in a controlled experiment.</i><br />
Sure, I recognize that, and that&#8217;s exactly why the social sciences can&#8217;t work like the hard sciences, although I&#8217;m not sure if the complexity is merely one of degree that could theoretically be resolved (all variables known and accounted for), or if there&#8217;s some fundamental complexity that would make it impossible to overcome. </p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-245453</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, here&#039;s the link to Karlsson&#039;s article (The Real Problem with non-Austrian economics): http://blog.mises.org/archives/008056.asp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, here&#8217;s the link to Karlsson&#8217;s article (The Real Problem with non-Austrian economics): <a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/008056.asp" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mises.org/archives/008056.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-245447</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, the second link I posted it wrong - should&#039;ve been: http://opus.zbw-kiel.de/volltexte/2004/2218/pdf/04_3bw.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the second link I posted it wrong &#8211; should&#8217;ve been: <a href="http://opus.zbw-kiel.de/volltexte/2004/2218/pdf/04_3bw.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://opus.zbw-kiel.de/volltexte/2004/2218/pdf/04_3bw.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-245428</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you&#039;re not alone in having problems with the Kantian framework (see Karlsson&#039;s The Real Problem with Austrian Economics, which he put up the other day.)

Hoppe largely follows (and improves upon Mises), whilst Long, Plauche and Smith argue from an Aristotelian vantage point. There&#039;s two other epistemological traditions within Austrianism, one being the later Hayek&#039;s (which whilst not empiricist strictly speaking, is close enough;  e.g. http://blog.mises.org/archives/008056.asp) and the other Lachmann&#039;s subjectivist framework. I think Plauche&#039;s is the best paper on methodology (,http://www.veritasnoctis.net/docs/aristotelianapriorism.pdf) though it is definitely essentialist in the neo-Aristotelian sense.

What should be striking is not so much Mises&#039; neo-Kantianism, which is an attempt to address problems Kant poses, but rather that logical positivism is still favoured by contemporary economists, with little done on their part to remedy its faults, or abandon it altogether.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;re not alone in having problems with the Kantian framework (see Karlsson&#8217;s The Real Problem with Austrian Economics, which he put up the other day.)</p>
<p>Hoppe largely follows (and improves upon Mises), whilst Long, Plauche and Smith argue from an Aristotelian vantage point. There&#8217;s two other epistemological traditions within Austrianism, one being the later Hayek&#8217;s (which whilst not empiricist strictly speaking, is close enough;  e.g. <a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/008056.asp" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mises.org/archives/008056.asp</a>) and the other Lachmann&#8217;s subjectivist framework. I think Plauche&#8217;s is the best paper on methodology (,<a href="http://www.veritasnoctis.net/docs/aristotelianapriorism.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.veritasnoctis.net/docs/aristotelianapriorism.pdf</a>) though it is definitely essentialist in the neo-Aristotelian sense.</p>
<p>What should be striking is not so much Mises&#8217; neo-Kantianism, which is an attempt to address problems Kant poses, but rather that logical positivism is still favoured by contemporary economists, with little done on their part to remedy its faults, or abandon it altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-244953</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inquisitor, fair enough, my rhetoric was too strong.  It is quite unscholarly to dismiss a school of thought without a fair survey of its thinkers.  My shock got the better of me.  I was just a bit surprised to see such glowing reviews of this article and Mises without any mention of the epistemological problems associated with Kantian rationalism.  I guess essentialism is still in vogue for some.  Does my Austrian reading list (you kindly provided above) have more essentialism in store for me?      ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquisitor, fair enough, my rhetoric was too strong.  It is quite unscholarly to dismiss a school of thought without a fair survey of its thinkers.  My shock got the better of me.  I was just a bit surprised to see such glowing reviews of this article and Mises without any mention of the epistemological problems associated with Kantian rationalism.  I guess essentialism is still in vogue for some.  Does my Austrian reading list (you kindly provided above) have more essentialism in store for me?      </p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-244433</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Bryan, do tell which Austrian works on epistemology you&#039;ve read (maybe Mises? Hoppe? Long? Smith? Plauche?), then, as well as which works on economics, and explain how the dogmatic support of neoclassical economists for &quot;corrective&quot; government intervention differs (especially given the criticisms by both Austrians and public choicers of it.) Dismissing the Austrian School&#039;s economics based on Mises&#039; neo-Kantian foundation is not going to get you anywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bryan, do tell which Austrian works on epistemology you&#8217;ve read (maybe Mises? Hoppe? Long? Smith? Plauche?), then, as well as which works on economics, and explain how the dogmatic support of neoclassical economists for &#8220;corrective&#8221; government intervention differs (especially given the criticisms by both Austrians and public choicers of it.) Dismissing the Austrian School&#8217;s economics based on Mises&#8217; neo-Kantian foundation is not going to get you anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-243934</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think anyone can appreciate what Kant accomplished in his philosophy.  Reading Kant is a fantastic experience.  But, I have to say that I find it amazing that Kant is still being utilized after the devastating critiques that came thereafter, especially in language philosophy.  Even fellow Frankfurter, and Kantian sympathizer, Jurgen Habermas took these critiques into account in his foundationalist philosophy.  The fact that the Austrian school is still stuck in the Kantian paradigm tells me all I need to know about its dogmatic support of free market economics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think anyone can appreciate what Kant accomplished in his philosophy.  Reading Kant is a fantastic experience.  But, I have to say that I find it amazing that Kant is still being utilized after the devastating critiques that came thereafter, especially in language philosophy.  Even fellow Frankfurter, and Kantian sympathizer, Jurgen Habermas took these critiques into account in his foundationalist philosophy.  The fact that the Austrian school is still stuck in the Kantian paradigm tells me all I need to know about its dogmatic support of free market economics.</p>
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		<title>By: lf</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-242992</link>
		<dc:creator>lf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rafe,

I approached classical liberalism reading Popper, several years ago, then I finally switched to Mises. Mises is my favourite thinker and I think that Mises&#039;s theoretical system is lacking in no more than a handful of aspects: (1) he neglected the idea of the state (better Rothbard), (2) he neglected international relations (unsettled problem of classical liberalism and libertarianism), (3) he neglected jurisprudence (better Leoni), (4) he neglected the importance of domestic balance of power (better Jouvenel), (5) he neglected integralism and fanaticism (not completely, more on this in the following).

All these limitations he shared with Popper. But Popper had some more.

Popper made no attempt to distinguish between democracy and freedom: he only distinguished progressive social engineering and totalitarian social revolution. 

Mises had the former distinction clear, as he believed that government ought not to do more than enforcing laws and defending boundaries: Popper proposed no effective limitations in the scope of government intervention.

For what concerns the latter distinction, which is the core of Popper&#039;s political philosophy, Popper was only concerned that politicians could have had fanatical goals (compare for instance Talmon&#039;s totalitarian democracy, a history of French philosophy before, during and immediately after the Revolution), but whatever the majority&#039;s choice, Popper has nothing to oppose except common sense (that&#039;s not exactly the more abundant virtue in politics). In other words, Popper&#039;s thought is one-dimensional, moderately socialist and more or less disconnected with the themes of classical economics.

In a sense, one of the five limitations of Mises has been partially addressed by Popper: his common sense. Surely not because Mises lacked it, but Popper&#039;s &quot;obvious&quot; political thought is a good therapy against fanaticism.

Popper has been one of the many, possibly one of the first, thinkers who understood the importance of fanaticism in the political tragedies of his time, together with, for instance, Hoffer, Hayek and Talmon, at his time, and Glucksmann, more recently. Apart from this, I find his political philosophy rather uninteresting, and its conception of freedom dangerously close to that of that special brand of gulag-less socialists called, in the US, &quot;liberals&quot;. Most people may confuse ideological differences with theoretical differences, but I won&#039;t: I&#039;m just perplexed by Popper from both points of view.

Finally, Mises was a moral relativist, so was Popper, and so am I. For a relativist, a moral system cannot be defended on purely rational grounds, notwithstanding the importance of this defense (the &quot;moral conundrum&quot;, although there is nothing mysterious about it). Mises understood the importance of widespread acceptance of some moral/legal rules by part of the majority, to have a stable social order. My impression is that Popper believed that contemporary unlimited democracy was under all aspects good, and found nothing strange in the incredible concentration of power in the hands of our &quot;representativesâ€: the reasoning being, most likely, that he thought he could find a way out of the &quot;moral conundrum&quot; in the will of the majority. In the end he found no fault in contemporary democracies, where the state has the widest role in every aspect of our lives. Something impermissible, in the XX century, although understandable, after gulags and lagers...

Popper may be good to save someone from Marx, provided that someone so fool to believe in Marx can be saved at all. Popper may be good in saving someone from positivism (and you are wholly right claiming he wa no positivist), and I could make the same irony about the chances of saving them. I believe his thought to be of no avail for more complicated tasks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe,</p>
<p>I approached classical liberalism reading Popper, several years ago, then I finally switched to Mises. Mises is my favourite thinker and I think that Mises&#8217;s theoretical system is lacking in no more than a handful of aspects: (1) he neglected the idea of the state (better Rothbard), (2) he neglected international relations (unsettled problem of classical liberalism and libertarianism), (3) he neglected jurisprudence (better Leoni), (4) he neglected the importance of domestic balance of power (better Jouvenel), (5) he neglected integralism and fanaticism (not completely, more on this in the following).</p>
<p>All these limitations he shared with Popper. But Popper had some more.</p>
<p>Popper made no attempt to distinguish between democracy and freedom: he only distinguished progressive social engineering and totalitarian social revolution. </p>
<p>Mises had the former distinction clear, as he believed that government ought not to do more than enforcing laws and defending boundaries: Popper proposed no effective limitations in the scope of government intervention.</p>
<p>For what concerns the latter distinction, which is the core of Popper&#8217;s political philosophy, Popper was only concerned that politicians could have had fanatical goals (compare for instance Talmon&#8217;s totalitarian democracy, a history of French philosophy before, during and immediately after the Revolution), but whatever the majority&#8217;s choice, Popper has nothing to oppose except common sense (that&#8217;s not exactly the more abundant virtue in politics). In other words, Popper&#8217;s thought is one-dimensional, moderately socialist and more or less disconnected with the themes of classical economics.</p>
<p>In a sense, one of the five limitations of Mises has been partially addressed by Popper: his common sense. Surely not because Mises lacked it, but Popper&#8217;s &#8220;obvious&#8221; political thought is a good therapy against fanaticism.</p>
<p>Popper has been one of the many, possibly one of the first, thinkers who understood the importance of fanaticism in the political tragedies of his time, together with, for instance, Hoffer, Hayek and Talmon, at his time, and Glucksmann, more recently. Apart from this, I find his political philosophy rather uninteresting, and its conception of freedom dangerously close to that of that special brand of gulag-less socialists called, in the US, &#8220;liberals&#8221;. Most people may confuse ideological differences with theoretical differences, but I won&#8217;t: I&#8217;m just perplexed by Popper from both points of view.</p>
<p>Finally, Mises was a moral relativist, so was Popper, and so am I. For a relativist, a moral system cannot be defended on purely rational grounds, notwithstanding the importance of this defense (the &#8220;moral conundrum&#8221;, although there is nothing mysterious about it). Mises understood the importance of widespread acceptance of some moral/legal rules by part of the majority, to have a stable social order. My impression is that Popper believed that contemporary unlimited democracy was under all aspects good, and found nothing strange in the incredible concentration of power in the hands of our &#8220;representativesâ€: the reasoning being, most likely, that he thought he could find a way out of the &#8220;moral conundrum&#8221; in the will of the majority. In the end he found no fault in contemporary democracies, where the state has the widest role in every aspect of our lives. Something impermissible, in the XX century, although understandable, after gulags and lagers&#8230;</p>
<p>Popper may be good to save someone from Marx, provided that someone so fool to believe in Marx can be saved at all. Popper may be good in saving someone from positivism (and you are wholly right claiming he wa no positivist), and I could make the same irony about the chances of saving them. I believe his thought to be of no avail for more complicated tasks.</p>
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		<dc:creator>LF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rafe,

I approached classical liberalism reading Popper, several years ago, then I finally switched to Mises. Mises is my favourite thinker and I think that Mises&#039;s theoretical system is lacking in no more than a handful of aspects: (1) he neglected the idea of the state (better Rothbard), (2) he neglected international relations (unsettled problem of classical liberalism and libertarianism), (3) he neglected jurisprudence (better Leoni), (4) he neglected the importance of domestic balance of power (better Jouvenel), (5) he neglected integralism and fanaticism (not completely, more on this in the following).

All these limitations he shared with Popper. But Popper had some more.

Popper made no attempt to distinguish between democracy and freedom: he only distinguished progressive social engineering and totalitarian social revolution. 

Mises had the former distinction clear, as he believed that government ought not to do more than enforcing laws and defending boundaries: Popper proposed no effective limitations in the scope of government intervention.

For what concerns the latter distinction, which is the core of Popper&#039;s political philosophy, Popper was only concerned that politicians could have had fanatical goals (compare for instance Talmon&#039;s totalitarian democracy, a history of French philosophy before, during and immediately after the Revolution), but whatever the majority&#039;s choice, Popper has nothing to oppose except common sense (that&#039;s not exactly the more abundant virtue in politics). In other words, Popper&#039;s thought is one-dimensional, moderately socialist and more or less disconnected with the themes of classical economics.

In a sense, one of the five limitations of Mises has been partially addressed by Popper: his common sense. Surely not because Mises lacked it, but Popper&#039;s &quot;obvious&quot; political thought is a good therapy against fanaticism.

Popper has been one of the many, possibly one of the first, thinkers who understood the importance of fanaticism in the political tragedies of his time, together with, for instance, Hoffer, Hayek and Talmon, at his time, and Glucksmann, more recently. Apart from this, I find his political philosophy rather uninteresting, and its conception of freedom dangerously close to that of that special brand of gulag-less socialists called, in the US, &quot;liberals&quot;. Most people may confuse ideological differences with theoretical differences, but I won&#039;t: I&#039;m just perplexed by Popper from both points of view.

Finally, Mises was a moral relativist, so was Popper, and so am I. For a relativist, a moral system cannot be defended on purely rational grounds, notwithstanding the importance of this defense (the &quot;moral conundrum&quot;, although there is nothing mysterious about it). Mises understood the importance of widespread acceptance of some moral/legal rules by part of the majority, to have a stable social order. My impression is that Popper believed that contemporary unlimited democracy was under all aspects good, and found nothing strange in the incredible concentration of power in the hands of our &quot;representativesâ€: the reasoning being, most likely, that he thought he could find a way out of the &quot;moral conundrum&quot; in the will of the majority. In the end he found no fault in contemporary democracies, where the state has the widest role in every aspect of our lives. Something impermissible, in the XX century, although understandable, after gulags and lagers...

Popper may be good to save someone from Marx, provided that someone so fool to believe in Marx can be saved at all. Popper may be good in saving someone from positivism (and you are wholly right claiming he wa no positivist), and I could make the same irony about the chances of saving them. I believe his thought to be of no avail for more complicated tasks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe,</p>
<p>I approached classical liberalism reading Popper, several years ago, then I finally switched to Mises. Mises is my favourite thinker and I think that Mises&#8217;s theoretical system is lacking in no more than a handful of aspects: (1) he neglected the idea of the state (better Rothbard), (2) he neglected international relations (unsettled problem of classical liberalism and libertarianism), (3) he neglected jurisprudence (better Leoni), (4) he neglected the importance of domestic balance of power (better Jouvenel), (5) he neglected integralism and fanaticism (not completely, more on this in the following).</p>
<p>All these limitations he shared with Popper. But Popper had some more.</p>
<p>Popper made no attempt to distinguish between democracy and freedom: he only distinguished progressive social engineering and totalitarian social revolution. </p>
<p>Mises had the former distinction clear, as he believed that government ought not to do more than enforcing laws and defending boundaries: Popper proposed no effective limitations in the scope of government intervention.</p>
<p>For what concerns the latter distinction, which is the core of Popper&#8217;s political philosophy, Popper was only concerned that politicians could have had fanatical goals (compare for instance Talmon&#8217;s totalitarian democracy, a history of French philosophy before, during and immediately after the Revolution), but whatever the majority&#8217;s choice, Popper has nothing to oppose except common sense (that&#8217;s not exactly the more abundant virtue in politics). In other words, Popper&#8217;s thought is one-dimensional, moderately socialist and more or less disconnected with the themes of classical economics.</p>
<p>In a sense, one of the five limitations of Mises has been partially addressed by Popper: his common sense. Surely not because Mises lacked it, but Popper&#8217;s &#8220;obvious&#8221; political thought is a good therapy against fanaticism.</p>
<p>Popper has been one of the many, possibly one of the first, thinkers who understood the importance of fanaticism in the political tragedies of his time, together with, for instance, Hoffer, Hayek and Talmon, at his time, and Glucksmann, more recently. Apart from this, I find his political philosophy rather uninteresting, and its conception of freedom dangerously close to that of that special brand of gulag-less socialists called, in the US, &#8220;liberals&#8221;. Most people may confuse ideological differences with theoretical differences, but I won&#8217;t: I&#8217;m just perplexed by Popper from both points of view.</p>
<p>Finally, Mises was a moral relativist, so was Popper, and so am I. For a relativist, a moral system cannot be defended on purely rational grounds, notwithstanding the importance of this defense (the &#8220;moral conundrum&#8221;, although there is nothing mysterious about it). Mises understood the importance of widespread acceptance of some moral/legal rules by part of the majority, to have a stable social order. My impression is that Popper believed that contemporary unlimited democracy was under all aspects good, and found nothing strange in the incredible concentration of power in the hands of our &#8220;representativesâ€: the reasoning being, most likely, that he thought he could find a way out of the &#8220;moral conundrum&#8221; in the will of the majority. In the end he found no fault in contemporary democracies, where the state has the widest role in every aspect of our lives. Something impermissible, in the XX century, although understandable, after gulags and lagers&#8230;</p>
<p>Popper may be good to save someone from Marx, provided that someone so fool to believe in Marx can be saved at all. Popper may be good in saving someone from positivism (and you are wholly right claiming he wa no positivist), and I could make the same irony about the chances of saving them. I believe his thought to be of no avail for more complicated tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: Per-Olof Samuelsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per-Olof Samuelsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fundamentist: Well, I get angry with myself when I catch myself writing &quot;angry on myself&quot; instead of &quot;angry at myself&quot;. I&#039;m supposed to be perfect, so I ought to know better!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundamentist: Well, I get angry with myself when I catch myself writing &#8220;angry on myself&#8221; instead of &#8220;angry at myself&#8221;. I&#8217;m supposed to be perfect, so I ought to know better!</p>
<p>(Not exactly on topic, but I wanted to say it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-242022</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very interesting piece in a number of ways. The good part is the concise account of some important principles of praxeology. The perplexing part is the reference to Karl Popper as a positivist/empiricist while the link to the Popper reference material explains &quot;Popper coined the term critical rationalism to describe his philosophy. The term indicates his rejection of classical empiricism, and of the observationalist-inductivist account of science that had grown out of it.&quot; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper
In the text of the article there are no references to books by Popper and I wonder if Thorsten has actually read enough of Popper&#039;s work to have an informed opinion on his alleged &quot;quasi-nihilistic reasoning&quot;. It seems that he has uncritically accepted a view of Popper that owes more to some interpretations that  have been put on his work by bitter opponents than to a close reading of the books.

In my opinion Mises and Popper are the two most important classical liberal thinkers in the 20th century and the divide between the followers of these two titans is potentially disastrous for the future of the principles that both camps share. For example they both identified positivism and historicism as the two major intellectual problems in the social sciences. 

The following items may help to explain where I am coming from with these remarks.
http://www.the-rathouse.com/RC_PopperPaper.html
http://www.the-rathouse.com/2008/Poverty-of-Historicism.html
http://www.the-rathouse.com/shortreviews/Mises-Epistemological-Problems.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting piece in a number of ways. The good part is the concise account of some important principles of praxeology. The perplexing part is the reference to Karl Popper as a positivist/empiricist while the link to the Popper reference material explains &#8220;Popper coined the term critical rationalism to describe his philosophy. The term indicates his rejection of classical empiricism, and of the observationalist-inductivist account of science that had grown out of it.&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper</a><br />
In the text of the article there are no references to books by Popper and I wonder if Thorsten has actually read enough of Popper&#8217;s work to have an informed opinion on his alleged &#8220;quasi-nihilistic reasoning&#8221;. It seems that he has uncritically accepted a view of Popper that owes more to some interpretations that  have been put on his work by bitter opponents than to a close reading of the books.</p>
<p>In my opinion Mises and Popper are the two most important classical liberal thinkers in the 20th century and the divide between the followers of these two titans is potentially disastrous for the future of the principles that both camps share. For example they both identified positivism and historicism as the two major intellectual problems in the social sciences. </p>
<p>The following items may help to explain where I am coming from with these remarks.<br />
<a href="http://www.the-rathouse.com/RC_PopperPaper.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-rathouse.com/RC_PopperPaper.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.the-rathouse.com/2008/Poverty-of-Historicism.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-rathouse.com/2008/Poverty-of-Historicism.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.the-rathouse.com/shortreviews/Mises-Epistemological-Problems.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-rathouse.com/shortreviews/Mises-Epistemological-Problems.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-240890</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael, maybe this will help. Here is a quote from Mises on a priori reasoning:
&quot;A limitation similar to that which the experimentally tested theories enjoin upon the attempts to interpret and elucidate individual physical, chemical, and physiological events is provided by praxeology in the field of human history. Praxeology is a theoretical and systematic, not a historical, science. Its scope is human action as such, irrespective of all environmental, accidental, and individual circumstances of the concrete acts. Its cognition is purely formal and general without reference to the material content and the particular features of the actual case. It aims at knowledge valid for all instances in which the conditions exactly correspond to those implied in its assumptions and inferences. Its statements and propositions are not derived from experience. They are, like those of logic and mathematics, a priori. They are not subject to verification or falsification on the ground of
experience and facts. They are both logically and temporally antecedent to any comprehension of historical facts. They are a necessary requirement of any intellectual grasp of historical events. Without them we should not be able to see in the course of events anything else than kaleidoscopic change and chaotic muddle.â€ Human Action page 32.

Before this paragraph, Mises had mentioned than in the natural sciences, no theory is allowed that contradicts experimental results. The experiment reigns supreme as the chief method of discovery and guide to theory in natural sciences, because since gravity, velocity, mass, etc., always act the same way under the same circumstances. But with humanity, controlled experiments are almost impossible. The number of variables needing to be controlled are to numerous and we often don&#039;t even know what they are, and the circumstances are never exactly identical as they are in a controlled experiment. As a result, any theory, no matter how ridiculous can find support in history. Mises includes statistical data as history since it reports on past events. In addition, no one can use historical data to prove any theory wrong because the proponents will claim that the critic used the wrong data or didn&#039;t analyze it correctly. That&#039;s why modern macro is such a muddle. 

This was hard for me to grasp, coming from an education in econ in which the empiricism was dogma, even though mainstream econ is no where near as empirical as it claims. For example, neo-classical econ assume equilibrium at all times regardless of the evidence which clearly contradicts that assumption. But learning statistics helped move me closer to Austrian a priori thinking. In statistics classes, they emphasize the necessity of having a hypothesis before doing analysis and using the analysis to support or not the hypothesis. Anything found by accident is suspect and not grounds for establishing theory. That&#039;s why real statisticians objected very strongly to data mining. In data mining, a large mass of data is put through a statistical grinder and the miner waits to see what relationships develop, mainly correlations. But many people have been fooled, and a lot of money lost, by spurious correlations, especially in hedge funds. The statistical rule of thumb is that if you can&#039;t support a surprising correlation with sound theory, it&#039;s probably spurious. Of course, there are statistical tests for spurious correlations but few people apply them. Why I don&#039;t know. But if you apply them, they eliminate most spurious correlations and most statistical data that contradict sound theory. If you show me data that contradict Austrian econ, I can usually show you the statistical mistakes that the author made which when corrected, verify Austrian theory. The most common mistakes are spurious correlations, misspecification and reversing cause and effect.

A simple example might help. I was analyzing trucking rates for a company a few years ago and found that in my initial models price hikes caused demand to increase (the sign of the price coefficient was positive). I explained to a co-worker that I would need to add other variables, and maybe do some transformations in order to uncover the true price/demand relationship. He argued that if I did those things, I would be guilty of finding what I was looking for instead of letting the data speak for itself. I explained that simple econ theory makes it impossible for higher prices to increase demand. If the data suggests that, then we&#039;ve done something wrong in the analysis. By adding seasonality and other variables, I uncovered the real relationship between price and demand and found it to be pretty small, and it changed with the state of the economy. Leaving out important variables is called misspecification in statistics and is one of the most common errors analysts make. 

So where does empirical research contribute value in the Austrian paradigm? As Mises wrote a priori reasoning &quot;aims at knowledge valid for all instances in which the conditions exactly correspond to those implied in its assumptions and inferences.â€ In other words, it strives for general principles. Those principles guide us in our evaluation of history and data via statistical analysis. With the a priori principles, we can better understand and explain specific events in the data. So a priori principles provide the paradigm; empirical research guided by those principles explains specific, concrete events. Statistics can&#039;t prove relationships between factors; they can only put numbers to those relationships. 

I think empirical research is important in applying reason to economic analysis as we apply that reasoning to specific events. It&#039;s easy to make leaps in logic and use unwarranted assumptions that could lead reason astray. In that case, it&#039;s important to check the conclusions of logic against history. For example, the ABCT arose, to a large degree, because Austrians noticed that the major swings in profits and employment occurred in the producer goods industries, that is, empirical research. If conclusions deviate too much from history, then we should examine our assumptions to determine if they are sound, and the logic to see is if you have made an unwarranted leap somewhere. 

Also, Austrians aren&#039;t in total agreement about many details. I think judicious use of statistical analysis might help resolve some of those issues as well as help convince mainstream economists of their error. Finally, the major framework has been built and rests on solid foundations. New discoveries will involve filling in the details. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, maybe this will help. Here is a quote from Mises on a priori reasoning:<br />
&#8220;A limitation similar to that which the experimentally tested theories enjoin upon the attempts to interpret and elucidate individual physical, chemical, and physiological events is provided by praxeology in the field of human history. Praxeology is a theoretical and systematic, not a historical, science. Its scope is human action as such, irrespective of all environmental, accidental, and individual circumstances of the concrete acts. Its cognition is purely formal and general without reference to the material content and the particular features of the actual case. It aims at knowledge valid for all instances in which the conditions exactly correspond to those implied in its assumptions and inferences. Its statements and propositions are not derived from experience. They are, like those of logic and mathematics, a priori. They are not subject to verification or falsification on the ground of<br />
experience and facts. They are both logically and temporally antecedent to any comprehension of historical facts. They are a necessary requirement of any intellectual grasp of historical events. Without them we should not be able to see in the course of events anything else than kaleidoscopic change and chaotic muddle.â€ Human Action page 32.</p>
<p>Before this paragraph, Mises had mentioned than in the natural sciences, no theory is allowed that contradicts experimental results. The experiment reigns supreme as the chief method of discovery and guide to theory in natural sciences, because since gravity, velocity, mass, etc., always act the same way under the same circumstances. But with humanity, controlled experiments are almost impossible. The number of variables needing to be controlled are to numerous and we often don&#8217;t even know what they are, and the circumstances are never exactly identical as they are in a controlled experiment. As a result, any theory, no matter how ridiculous can find support in history. Mises includes statistical data as history since it reports on past events. In addition, no one can use historical data to prove any theory wrong because the proponents will claim that the critic used the wrong data or didn&#8217;t analyze it correctly. That&#8217;s why modern macro is such a muddle. </p>
<p>This was hard for me to grasp, coming from an education in econ in which the empiricism was dogma, even though mainstream econ is no where near as empirical as it claims. For example, neo-classical econ assume equilibrium at all times regardless of the evidence which clearly contradicts that assumption. But learning statistics helped move me closer to Austrian a priori thinking. In statistics classes, they emphasize the necessity of having a hypothesis before doing analysis and using the analysis to support or not the hypothesis. Anything found by accident is suspect and not grounds for establishing theory. That&#8217;s why real statisticians objected very strongly to data mining. In data mining, a large mass of data is put through a statistical grinder and the miner waits to see what relationships develop, mainly correlations. But many people have been fooled, and a lot of money lost, by spurious correlations, especially in hedge funds. The statistical rule of thumb is that if you can&#8217;t support a surprising correlation with sound theory, it&#8217;s probably spurious. Of course, there are statistical tests for spurious correlations but few people apply them. Why I don&#8217;t know. But if you apply them, they eliminate most spurious correlations and most statistical data that contradict sound theory. If you show me data that contradict Austrian econ, I can usually show you the statistical mistakes that the author made which when corrected, verify Austrian theory. The most common mistakes are spurious correlations, misspecification and reversing cause and effect.</p>
<p>A simple example might help. I was analyzing trucking rates for a company a few years ago and found that in my initial models price hikes caused demand to increase (the sign of the price coefficient was positive). I explained to a co-worker that I would need to add other variables, and maybe do some transformations in order to uncover the true price/demand relationship. He argued that if I did those things, I would be guilty of finding what I was looking for instead of letting the data speak for itself. I explained that simple econ theory makes it impossible for higher prices to increase demand. If the data suggests that, then we&#8217;ve done something wrong in the analysis. By adding seasonality and other variables, I uncovered the real relationship between price and demand and found it to be pretty small, and it changed with the state of the economy. Leaving out important variables is called misspecification in statistics and is one of the most common errors analysts make. </p>
<p>So where does empirical research contribute value in the Austrian paradigm? As Mises wrote a priori reasoning &#8220;aims at knowledge valid for all instances in which the conditions exactly correspond to those implied in its assumptions and inferences.â€ In other words, it strives for general principles. Those principles guide us in our evaluation of history and data via statistical analysis. With the a priori principles, we can better understand and explain specific events in the data. So a priori principles provide the paradigm; empirical research guided by those principles explains specific, concrete events. Statistics can&#8217;t prove relationships between factors; they can only put numbers to those relationships. </p>
<p>I think empirical research is important in applying reason to economic analysis as we apply that reasoning to specific events. It&#8217;s easy to make leaps in logic and use unwarranted assumptions that could lead reason astray. In that case, it&#8217;s important to check the conclusions of logic against history. For example, the ABCT arose, to a large degree, because Austrians noticed that the major swings in profits and employment occurred in the producer goods industries, that is, empirical research. If conclusions deviate too much from history, then we should examine our assumptions to determine if they are sound, and the logic to see is if you have made an unwarranted leap somewhere. </p>
<p>Also, Austrians aren&#8217;t in total agreement about many details. I think judicious use of statistical analysis might help resolve some of those issues as well as help convince mainstream economists of their error. Finally, the major framework has been built and rests on solid foundations. New discoveries will involve filling in the details. </p>
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		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Per-Olof Samuelsson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-240875</link>
		<dc:creator>Per-Olof Samuelsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS. Actually, I think I can state my objection to &quot;reflexional apriorism&quot; in fairly simple terms.

The idea is that certain fundamental truths about reality are reflected in the human mind, and thus are &quot;a priori&quot; and &quot;come before&quot; other less fundamental truths. But then Smith take Menger&#039;s famous &quot;four conditions&quot; as an example of this.

I ask myself: how and why are those four conditions reflected in the human mind? Well, they are reflected in my mind, because I have read Menger (and seen the logic of his reasoning).

But then, how come they were first reflected in Carl Menger&#039;s mind and not in anybody&#039;s mind before him? If &quot;reflective apriorism&quot; were true, they would have been known to everyone since time immemorial!

In fact, Menger&#039;s &quot;four conditions&quot; (and all his other insights) were the end result of an intensive study of actual market conditions (you may have read Hayek&#039;s introduction to &quot;Principles of Economics&quot;). Thus I would certainly call them &quot;a posteriori&quot;, simply because they came after (and were the result of) this study.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Actually, I think I can state my objection to &#8220;reflexional apriorism&#8221; in fairly simple terms.</p>
<p>The idea is that certain fundamental truths about reality are reflected in the human mind, and thus are &#8220;a priori&#8221; and &#8220;come before&#8221; other less fundamental truths. But then Smith take Menger&#8217;s famous &#8220;four conditions&#8221; as an example of this.</p>
<p>I ask myself: how and why are those four conditions reflected in the human mind? Well, they are reflected in my mind, because I have read Menger (and seen the logic of his reasoning).</p>
<p>But then, how come they were first reflected in Carl Menger&#8217;s mind and not in anybody&#8217;s mind before him? If &#8220;reflective apriorism&#8221; were true, they would have been known to everyone since time immemorial!</p>
<p>In fact, Menger&#8217;s &#8220;four conditions&#8221; (and all his other insights) were the end result of an intensive study of actual market conditions (you may have read Hayek&#8217;s introduction to &#8220;Principles of Economics&#8221;). Thus I would certainly call them &#8220;a posteriori&#8221;, simply because they came after (and were the result of) this study.</p>
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		<title>By: Per-Olof Samuelsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per-Olof Samuelsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about my atrocious English! &quot;A look at&quot;, of course, not &quot;a look on&quot;.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Per-Olof Samuelsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per-Olof Samuelsson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for those links, Inquisitor!

I actually read Barry Smith&#039;s essay a couple of years ago, but I wasn&#039;t entirely happy with it. I agree, of course, with his rejection of &quot;impositionist&quot; (i.e. Kantian) apriorism, but I think there is a problem with &quot;reflexionist&quot; apriorism, too. (I even wrote a short critique of Smith&#039;s essays, but unfortunately it is in Swedish, and I don&#039;t have the time to translate it.)

I will certainly take a look on the other essay (have just skimmed the beginning so far; it was news to me that the terms &quot;a priori&quot; and &quot;a posteriori&quot; were introduced by St. Thomas.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for those links, Inquisitor!</p>
<p>I actually read Barry Smith&#8217;s essay a couple of years ago, but I wasn&#8217;t entirely happy with it. I agree, of course, with his rejection of &#8220;impositionist&#8221; (i.e. Kantian) apriorism, but I think there is a problem with &#8220;reflexionist&#8221; apriorism, too. (I even wrote a short critique of Smith&#8217;s essays, but unfortunately it is in Swedish, and I don&#8217;t have the time to translate it.)</p>
<p>I will certainly take a look on the other essay (have just skimmed the beginning so far; it was news to me that the terms &#8220;a priori&#8221; and &#8220;a posteriori&#8221; were introduced by St. Thomas.)</p>
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		<link>http://archive.mises.org/8051/misess-apriorism-against-relativism-in-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-240667</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In addition to this article (and Mr Karlsson&#039;s), the following two are useful to get a hold of key concepts of both Kantian and Aristotelian Austrian methodological views:

http://mises.org/apriorism.asp

http://www.veritasnoctis.net/docs/aristotelianapriorism.pdf

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to this article (and Mr Karlsson&#8217;s), the following two are useful to get a hold of key concepts of both Kantian and Aristotelian Austrian methodological views:</p>
<p><a href="http://mises.org/apriorism.asp" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/apriorism.asp</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.veritasnoctis.net/docs/aristotelianapriorism.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.veritasnoctis.net/docs/aristotelianapriorism.pdf</a></p>
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