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	<title>Comments on: World War II: The Nadir of the Old Right</title>
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	<description>Proceeding Ever More Boldly Against Evil</description>
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		<title>By: Brett Celinski</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/7322/world-war-ii-the-nadir-of-the-old-right/comment-page-1/#comment-130224</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Celinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, this is highly off-topic, but relevant in that the Old Right is being vilified again, mainly in the persona of Ron Paul.

Guys... the anti-Ron Paul stuff is getting pretty... um, histrionic again. Reading through some of these things on the net makes me feel like walking through a room full of bees in a hot summer night, drunk.

They&#039;re saying he&#039;s racist. His supporters spam. He hates Jews. He&#039;s a socialist (ignoranceisstrengthihategoldstein)!!!!!! 

Um... *whistles* Uh, &lt;i&gt;Hot damn!&lt;/i&gt;. This is the most Left I&#039;ve seen the GOP since, well, the Left was more Left than the GOP.

I just really, really want somebody to just rhetorically hammer some of the stuff LittleGreenFootballs and the like produce. There&#039;s atleast 40 different repetitive, &quot;damning exposes/conspiracies/IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE LOOK HOW LONG THE POST IS IT MUST BE IRREFUTABLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN IT FOR FIVE MINUTES&quot; type posts on something Ron Paul has done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, this is highly off-topic, but relevant in that the Old Right is being vilified again, mainly in the persona of Ron Paul.</p>
<p>Guys&#8230; the anti-Ron Paul stuff is getting pretty&#8230; um, histrionic again. Reading through some of these things on the net makes me feel like walking through a room full of bees in a hot summer night, drunk.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re saying he&#8217;s racist. His supporters spam. He hates Jews. He&#8217;s a socialist (ignoranceisstrengthihategoldstein)!!!!!! </p>
<p>Um&#8230; *whistles* Uh, <i>Hot damn!</i>. This is the most Left I&#8217;ve seen the GOP since, well, the Left was more Left than the GOP.</p>
<p>I just really, really want somebody to just rhetorically hammer some of the stuff LittleGreenFootballs and the like produce. There&#8217;s atleast 40 different repetitive, &#8220;damning exposes/conspiracies/IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE LOOK HOW LONG THE POST IS IT MUST BE IRREFUTABLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN IT FOR FIVE MINUTES&#8221; type posts on something Ron Paul has done.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hah, I missed the bit on southern slavery... good observation TGGP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, I missed the bit on southern slavery&#8230; good observation TGGP.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Mahoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tory,

Which is it, African or American?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tory,</p>
<p>Which is it, African or American?</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/7322/world-war-ii-the-nadir-of-the-old-right/comment-page-1/#comment-130101</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I discussed Charles Lindbergh and the merits of isolationism &lt;a href=&quot;http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/what-was-so-bad-about-charles-lindbergh/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; at my blog.

Tory, it is mighty funny that you denounce forcing people to adopt capitalism and then speak highly of the forced transformation of the southern economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discussed Charles Lindbergh and the merits of isolationism <a href="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/what-was-so-bad-about-charles-lindbergh/">here</a> at my blog.</p>
<p>Tory, it is mighty funny that you denounce forcing people to adopt capitalism and then speak highly of the forced transformation of the southern economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you theorize economics too much&quot;

You can do no such thing. The only problem is when the theories are poorly thought out and logically inconsistent and not subjected to improvement. A lot of economic theory suffers from this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you theorize economics too much&#8221;</p>
<p>You can do no such thing. The only problem is when the theories are poorly thought out and logically inconsistent and not subjected to improvement. A lot of economic theory suffers from this.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Socialism and freedom are not compatible. I&#039;m for freedom.

If you theorize economics too much - if you search for a magical economical cure and convince people you have found one then you may inadvertantly create more central planning. Are you for freedom more than you are for forcing others to adopt pure capitalism ? 

You will force us to start all over again and repeat the same mistakes we made in the beginning.

De-centralized sovereignty is as bad and detrimental to freedom as is excessive central control. The states refused to give up slavery - three amendments had to be added to the Bill of Rights to protect African/Americans against the advocates of a slave based economy.


Hamiltonian]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialism and freedom are not compatible. I&#8217;m for freedom.</p>
<p>If you theorize economics too much &#8211; if you search for a magical economical cure and convince people you have found one then you may inadvertantly create more central planning. Are you for freedom more than you are for forcing others to adopt pure capitalism ? </p>
<p>You will force us to start all over again and repeat the same mistakes we made in the beginning.</p>
<p>De-centralized sovereignty is as bad and detrimental to freedom as is excessive central control. The states refused to give up slavery &#8211; three amendments had to be added to the Bill of Rights to protect African/Americans against the advocates of a slave based economy.</p>
<p>Hamiltonian</p>
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		<title>By: DickF</title>
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		<dc:creator>DickF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have noticed that the author of the lead story on the home page is now often omitted. Is it possible for you to return to giving the author credit on the home page? Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed that the author of the lead story on the home page is now often omitted. Is it possible for you to return to giving the author credit on the home page? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: William H. Stoddard</title>
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		<dc:creator>William H. Stoddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more cultural figure of the WWII era deserves mention in this discussion: The poet Robinson Jeffers. During the 1940s he brought out a volume, &lt;i&gt;Be Angry at the Sun&lt;/i&gt;, largely devoted to condemnation of the war, and featuring a note by his publisher stating that they did not agree with Jeffers&#039;s views but considered it important to maintain the freedom of the press that the United States was fighting forâ€”which I take to be covering their asses, but they deserve respect for publishing the book at all.

In the title poem, Jefferson wrote

That public men publish falsehoods
Is nothing new. That America must accept
Like the historic republics corruption and empire
Has been known for years.

This is the same man who wrote, in another poem,

All Europe was hardly worth the precarious freedom
Of one of our states. What will her ashes fetch?

This volume has been almost entirely forgotten, and can be found only in a few university libraries. But it&#039;s one that libertarians should be aware of. Jeffers was an intelligent man and his political sympathies were almost entirely along libertarian lines, however strange the metaphysic they grew out of, which Jeffers called &quot;inhumanism&quot; and which is like nothing so much as H. P. Lovecraft&#039;s cosmic nihilism (but, happily, Jeffers did not share Lovecraft&#039;s fascist tendencies).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more cultural figure of the WWII era deserves mention in this discussion: The poet Robinson Jeffers. During the 1940s he brought out a volume, <i>Be Angry at the Sun</i>, largely devoted to condemnation of the war, and featuring a note by his publisher stating that they did not agree with Jeffers&#8217;s views but considered it important to maintain the freedom of the press that the United States was fighting forâ€”which I take to be covering their asses, but they deserve respect for publishing the book at all.</p>
<p>In the title poem, Jefferson wrote</p>
<p>That public men publish falsehoods<br />
Is nothing new. That America must accept<br />
Like the historic republics corruption and empire<br />
Has been known for years.</p>
<p>This is the same man who wrote, in another poem,</p>
<p>All Europe was hardly worth the precarious freedom<br />
Of one of our states. What will her ashes fetch?</p>
<p>This volume has been almost entirely forgotten, and can be found only in a few university libraries. But it&#8217;s one that libertarians should be aware of. Jeffers was an intelligent man and his political sympathies were almost entirely along libertarian lines, however strange the metaphysic they grew out of, which Jeffers called &#8220;inhumanism&#8221; and which is like nothing so much as H. P. Lovecraft&#8217;s cosmic nihilism (but, happily, Jeffers did not share Lovecraft&#8217;s fascist tendencies).</p>
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		<title>By: Zinzindor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/7322/world-war-ii-the-nadir-of-the-old-right/comment-page-1/#comment-130066</link>
		<dc:creator>Zinzindor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a very interesting article in today&#039;s Washington _Post_, discussing how Vladimir Putin has been drawing comparisons between his ideology and that of FDR.  His political consultants and propaganda machines have been putting out interviews and opinion pieces in the state media noting how FDR  saved the country from the capitalist profiteers (just like Putin), implemented state planning to direct the economy (just like Putin), and saved a country under attack from &quot;outside enemies.&quot; (Ditto). 

The writer of the piece portrayed this as empty (though clever) propaganda, and I&#039;m sure many readers were angered by it.   I wonder how many readers reacted as I did -- &quot;Yep, that&#039;s a very apt comparison.&quot;  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a very interesting article in today&#8217;s Washington _Post_, discussing how Vladimir Putin has been drawing comparisons between his ideology and that of FDR.  His political consultants and propaganda machines have been putting out interviews and opinion pieces in the state media noting how FDR  saved the country from the capitalist profiteers (just like Putin), implemented state planning to direct the economy (just like Putin), and saved a country under attack from &#8220;outside enemies.&#8221; (Ditto). </p>
<p>The writer of the piece portrayed this as empty (though clever) propaganda, and I&#8217;m sure many readers were angered by it.   I wonder how many readers reacted as I did &#8212; &#8220;Yep, that&#8217;s a very apt comparison.&#8221;  </p>
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