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		<title>By: BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120290</link>
		<dc:creator>BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 02:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephan Kinsella:

&quot;Interesting how Rothbard talks about possible extensions of praxeology as well as &quot;axiomatics,&quot; the logical-deductive approach of Hoppe that is compatible with, if not a type of, praxeology.â€

http://blog.mises.org/archives/005430.asp


On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property:


http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/econ-ethics-10.pdf


BjÃ¶rn Lundahl

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephan Kinsella:</p>
<p>&#8220;Interesting how Rothbard talks about possible extensions of praxeology as well as &#8220;axiomatics,&#8221; the logical-deductive approach of Hoppe that is compatible with, if not a type of, praxeology.â€</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/005430.asp" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mises.org/archives/005430.asp</a></p>
<p>On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/econ-ethics-10.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/econ-ethics-10.pdf</a></p>
<p>BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Reed</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120284</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 22:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am in agreement with Adam Knott (and others). Libertarians need to apply praxeology to this problem. On this one I think Mr. Rothbard (and others) have lead us astray.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in agreement with Adam Knott (and others). Libertarians need to apply praxeology to this problem. On this one I think Mr. Rothbard (and others) have lead us astray.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120273</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 09:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Amen to that, JIMB.&lt;

What&#039;s funny here is that Mises would agree that understanding particular subjective motivations (or valuations) are irrelevant to the scientist and should be left to those who do endeavor in psychology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Amen to that, JIMB.<</p>
<p>What&#8217;s funny here is that Mises would agree that understanding particular subjective motivations (or valuations) are irrelevant to the scientist and should be left to those who do endeavor in psychology.</p>
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		<title>By: RWW</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120257</link>
		<dc:creator>RWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 04:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;I am so ready for MISES.org to get back to MISES.&lt;/I&gt;

Amen to that, JIMB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am so ready for MISES.org to get back to MISES.</i></p>
<p>Amen to that, JIMB.</p>
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		<title>By: BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120253</link>
		<dc:creator>BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 23:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bernie 

In a pure free market without government enforcement of copyright laws, it might not make a great difference or at least not in many cases.
 
This because of the reason that producers of, for example, intellectual property would, in a free market, have the legal rights to stipulate in contracts that customers would not be allowed to copy the products and not either to resell them to third parties without stipulating the same terms. Secondly if third parties would make copies knowing those restrictions (that is being aware of the fact that the original owners did not sell all the rights to their properties) without any restrictions on their purchases, they might still be in trouble.

In a free market the flexibility of the participants are nearly unlimited and the market solves economic problems when it is profitable and needed. 

BjÃ¶rn Lundahl
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie </p>
<p>In a pure free market without government enforcement of copyright laws, it might not make a great difference or at least not in many cases.</p>
<p>This because of the reason that producers of, for example, intellectual property would, in a free market, have the legal rights to stipulate in contracts that customers would not be allowed to copy the products and not either to resell them to third parties without stipulating the same terms. Secondly if third parties would make copies knowing those restrictions (that is being aware of the fact that the original owners did not sell all the rights to their properties) without any restrictions on their purchases, they might still be in trouble.</p>
<p>In a free market the flexibility of the participants are nearly unlimited and the market solves economic problems when it is profitable and needed. </p>
<p>BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120243</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bernie: open source, patronage, donations, support contracts, etc. There are many ways that so-called &quot;intellectual property&quot; could be produced without copyright, patents, et al.; and indeed they were so produced for many generations prior to the advent of such controls.

More importantly, the very notion of &quot;property&quot; is completely incompatible with the nature of ideas. Not only is it impossible to achieve the desired artificial scarcity without resorting to draconian restrictions enforced by Leviathan&#039;s threat of violence; but also the closer we come to achieving this, the fewer benefits we reap from the very ideas whose creation we are trying to encourage.

The most wonderful thing about ideas is that they are nonrivalrous: any number of people may &quot;possess&quot; and use the same idea at the same time without interfering with anyone else&#039;s ability to do so. If that were true of physical goods, we would have no need for property at all! And yet we view this marvelous property of ideas as a problem to be solved, because we fear that supply and demand won&#039;t operate &quot;properly&quot; on them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie: open source, patronage, donations, support contracts, etc. There are many ways that so-called &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; could be produced without copyright, patents, et al.; and indeed they were so produced for many generations prior to the advent of such controls.</p>
<p>More importantly, the very notion of &#8220;property&#8221; is completely incompatible with the nature of ideas. Not only is it impossible to achieve the desired artificial scarcity without resorting to draconian restrictions enforced by Leviathan&#8217;s threat of violence; but also the closer we come to achieving this, the fewer benefits we reap from the very ideas whose creation we are trying to encourage.</p>
<p>The most wonderful thing about ideas is that they are nonrivalrous: any number of people may &#8220;possess&#8221; and use the same idea at the same time without interfering with anyone else&#8217;s ability to do so. If that were true of physical goods, we would have no need for property at all! And yet we view this marvelous property of ideas as a problem to be solved, because we fear that supply and demand won&#8217;t operate &#8220;properly&#8221; on them!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the whole area of IP I tend to agree with Kinsella and those above who were agin it. 

But I would very much like to know how the problems that IP is meant to solve can be solved without violating the non agression principle.

Answers on a postcard please...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the whole area of IP I tend to agree with Kinsella and those above who were agin it. </p>
<p>But I would very much like to know how the problems that IP is meant to solve can be solved without violating the non agression principle.</p>
<p>Answers on a postcard please&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120241</link>
		<dc:creator>BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Ethics of Liberty is a masterpiece and an extremely important work.

This does not mean, of course, &quot;that not even the sun has its dark spots.â€

BjÃ¶rn Lundahl

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ethics of Liberty is a masterpiece and an extremely important work.</p>
<p>This does not mean, of course, &#8220;that not even the sun has its dark spots.â€</p>
<p>BjÃ¶rn Lundahl</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Clem</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120239</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael A. Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course murder is not equal to manslaughter.  In that case, the &quot;objective nature of the act&quot; is that someone is dead.  Big rights violation.  Under those circumstances, the intent is considered to mitigate the punishment.&lt;br&gt;
But Rothbard was talking about situations where rights were normally NOT being violated. Regardless of a blackmailer&#039;s intentions, the blackmailer is not violating anyone&#039;s rights unless he takes the money and then breaks the contract by revealing his information.&lt;br&gt;
I agree that there seems to be a problem, as mentioned above, with contractual copyright as Rothbard presented it, but it&#039;s at least a starting point for considering it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course murder is not equal to manslaughter.  In that case, the &#8220;objective nature of the act&#8221; is that someone is dead.  Big rights violation.  Under those circumstances, the intent is considered to mitigate the punishment.<br />
But Rothbard was talking about situations where rights were normally NOT being violated. Regardless of a blackmailer&#8217;s intentions, the blackmailer is not violating anyone&#8217;s rights unless he takes the money and then breaks the contract by revealing his information.<br />
I agree that there seems to be a problem, as mentioned above, with contractual copyright as Rothbard presented it, but it&#8217;s at least a starting point for considering it.</p>
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		<title>By: JIMB</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120236</link>
		<dc:creator>JIMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing: yet, surely legality or illegality should depend not on the motivation of the actor, but on the objective nature of the act. 

So murder = manslaughter ?

This is what we get when a good economist tries to become a lawyer ...

I am so ready for MISES.org to get back to MISES.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing: yet, surely legality or illegality should depend not on the motivation of the actor, but on the objective nature of the act. </p>
<p>So murder = manslaughter ?</p>
<p>This is what we get when a good economist tries to become a lawyer &#8230;</p>
<p>I am so ready for MISES.org to get back to MISES.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120226</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 06:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, the preview feature of this comment area is broken: it shows no line breaks, which caused me to add &lt;br&gt; tags manually, which in turn made my post above contain far too many line breaks once actually posted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the preview feature of this comment area is broken: it shows no line breaks, which caused me to add &lt;br&gt; tags manually, which in turn made my post above contain far too many line breaks once actually posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6682/knowledge-true-and-false/comment-page-1/#comment-120225</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 06:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rothbard&#039;s explanation of copyright is totally bogus. The business of acquiring a &quot;greater property title in something than has already been given away or sold&quot; presupposes that there is some property right involved in Black copying Brown&#039;s mousetrap.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
But there is no such property right as the &quot;right&quot; to make a copy of something; the only thing that keeps Green from doing so is that as a condition of buying the mousetrap from Brown, he had to agree to a contract that restricted him from doing so. But as Black has made no such contract, he is bound by no such restriction.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Copyrights are an unnatural, unenforceable mockery of real property rights; moreover, the information age is increasingly demonstrating that they are counterproductive, stifling innovation and entrepreneurship. Libertarians should understand this better than anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rothbard&#8217;s explanation of copyright is totally bogus. The business of acquiring a &#8220;greater property title in something than has already been given away or sold&#8221; presupposes that there is some property right involved in Black copying Brown&#8217;s mousetrap.</p>
<p>But there is no such property right as the &#8220;right&#8221; to make a copy of something; the only thing that keeps Green from doing so is that as a condition of buying the mousetrap from Brown, he had to agree to a contract that restricted him from doing so. But as Black has made no such contract, he is bound by no such restriction.</p>
<p>Copyrights are an unnatural, unenforceable mockery of real property rights; moreover, the information age is increasingly demonstrating that they are counterproductive, stifling innovation and entrepreneurship. Libertarians should understand this better than anyone.</p>
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