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	<title>Comments on: Bolick on Judicial Activism (more on libertarian centralism and &#8220;the government&#8221;)</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Macdonald</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6475/bolick-on-judicial-activism-more-on-libertarian-centralism-and-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-132063</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Macdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Discrimination is NH is out of control.The NH governor Lynch gives a token speech at the Veteran&#039;s cemetery on Veteran&#039;s day.  Lynch does not understand what a Veteran whom gives his youth in combat to protect you (Lynch&#039;s) freedom feels.  I know that you (US citizens) are tired of hearing me speak of ?Veterans and what we do for this nation.  Think about how only 11% of the US pop ever serves in our military.  Think about how 25% of the homeless are Veterans.  At 17, I joined the Marine Corps.  I spent 31 months overseas during the Vietnam Conflict.  My first kill was with a bayonet as American Advisor on convoy deep in the jungle.  I have been shot at and had a enemy mortar go off with in a hundred feet.  I am 100% disabled from my time in service.  I have three injuries two from separate comvat missions.  Well, now a forth because I was recently diagonosis with PTSD because my first kill has come back every day to haunt me.  Veterans do not want special treatment. Veterans want pwople that never served to realize that Veterans are not like you that have never been there.  Some of us make it to live a (what you believe)is a normal life.  Others become drug addicts, drunks on the street, criminals, or worse homeless bum&#039;s because reality never quite comes back.  Can you imagine becoming complacent with (the fact this is the last second before you die violently.  Can you imagine the dishonor you feel if you have to come home with no arms or legs.  The disgrace you will feel coming home with only half a face.  How about the mental ghost of reliving the live&#039;s and homes you destroyed of other humanbeings or the living conditions you struggled through that people you learned to respect call home)every day.  Governor you have no idea what a man like John McCain is.
Governor you refuse to speak to this Veteran.  You allow the state of NH to intentionally harm me to wstop my free speech.  I have turned to Red Sox and Boston Globe glogs because the news media and all NH blogs refuse to publish my words.  Governor I volunteer every day to help others because I came back alive.  I respect your token speech Governor because that is what we Veterans gave our lives for.  Discrimination to intentionally harm a U.S. Veteran can not be tolorated in NH expecially by the government and courts. Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC Semper Fi 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 02824 603-659-6217
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discrimination is NH is out of control.The NH governor Lynch gives a token speech at the Veteran&#8217;s cemetery on Veteran&#8217;s day.  Lynch does not understand what a Veteran whom gives his youth in combat to protect you (Lynch&#8217;s) freedom feels.  I know that you (US citizens) are tired of hearing me speak of ?Veterans and what we do for this nation.  Think about how only 11% of the US pop ever serves in our military.  Think about how 25% of the homeless are Veterans.  At 17, I joined the Marine Corps.  I spent 31 months overseas during the Vietnam Conflict.  My first kill was with a bayonet as American Advisor on convoy deep in the jungle.  I have been shot at and had a enemy mortar go off with in a hundred feet.  I am 100% disabled from my time in service.  I have three injuries two from separate comvat missions.  Well, now a forth because I was recently diagonosis with PTSD because my first kill has come back every day to haunt me.  Veterans do not want special treatment. Veterans want pwople that never served to realize that Veterans are not like you that have never been there.  Some of us make it to live a (what you believe)is a normal life.  Others become drug addicts, drunks on the street, criminals, or worse homeless bum&#8217;s because reality never quite comes back.  Can you imagine becoming complacent with (the fact this is the last second before you die violently.  Can you imagine the dishonor you feel if you have to come home with no arms or legs.  The disgrace you will feel coming home with only half a face.  How about the mental ghost of reliving the live&#8217;s and homes you destroyed of other humanbeings or the living conditions you struggled through that people you learned to respect call home)every day.  Governor you have no idea what a man like John McCain is.<br />
Governor you refuse to speak to this Veteran.  You allow the state of NH to intentionally harm me to wstop my free speech.  I have turned to Red Sox and Boston Globe glogs because the news media and all NH blogs refuse to publish my words.  Governor I volunteer every day to help others because I came back alive.  I respect your token speech Governor because that is what we Veterans gave our lives for.  Discrimination to intentionally harm a U.S. Veteran can not be tolorated in NH expecially by the government and courts. Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC Semper Fi 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 02824 603-659-6217</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6475/bolick-on-judicial-activism-more-on-libertarian-centralism-and-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-116664</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A better line of attack (rather than claiming, as this article does, that the United States Consititution places no limits on the powers of State and local governments) would be to question the structure of the Supreme Court.

It is a rather faint hope that a group of people selected by the President and confirmed by the Senate will be reliable defenders of limits on the powers of the very people who selected them. It can happen - but to rely on it is foolish (&quot;you are accusing the Founding Fathers of an error&quot; yes, in this, I am - perhaps it is because I am an alien that allows me to consider the possibility).

After all even in the early 1930&#039;s (when the &quot;Four Horsemen&quot; were still on the Supreme Court and the Chief Justice was still tending to side with them) the Supreme Court upheld (in two judgement) the radically unconstitutional actions of the Federal government involving the stealing of privately owned gold, and the voiding of gold clauses in contracts.

Indeed even in the late 19th century (supposedly the high point of government limitation by the court) the infamous second &quot;Greenback&quot; case overturned Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase judgement that the Constitution of the United States gave no power to the Federal government to issue paper money (a judgement he made in spite of the fact that he had been the very man who had issued the paper money, in his capacity as Treasury Secretary during the Civil War).

Perhaps a &quot;Supreme Jury&quot; would have been better - a group of ordinary citizens (perhaps one from each State) selected at random for each consittutional case.

Such a group would not tend to be skilled in the dark art of &quot;interpreting&quot; the Constitution out of existence. And would be more likely to decide on the basis of the arguments made by both sides of a dispute and the text in from of them (a text not beyond the wit of an ordinary person to understand).

By the way I must agree that the Cato person was quite wrong in thinking that &quot;forbidding discrimination&quot; (in the case of the State of Colorado not being allowed to stop local governments passing anti discrimination regulations) is somehow upholding &quot;freedom of association&quot;.

On the contrary (of course) - freedom of association depends on people being allowed to &quot;discriminate&quot;, i.e. to choose (to discriminate means to choose) who they will associate with. Whether this means play baseball with, or trade with, or employ, or whatever.

Modern &quot;anti discrimination&quot; regulations are wrong for the same reason that the old &quot;Jim Crow&quot; regulations were wrong - in that they tell people what they must do with their own property.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better line of attack (rather than claiming, as this article does, that the United States Consititution places no limits on the powers of State and local governments) would be to question the structure of the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>It is a rather faint hope that a group of people selected by the President and confirmed by the Senate will be reliable defenders of limits on the powers of the very people who selected them. It can happen &#8211; but to rely on it is foolish (&#8220;you are accusing the Founding Fathers of an error&#8221; yes, in this, I am &#8211; perhaps it is because I am an alien that allows me to consider the possibility).</p>
<p>After all even in the early 1930&#8242;s (when the &#8220;Four Horsemen&#8221; were still on the Supreme Court and the Chief Justice was still tending to side with them) the Supreme Court upheld (in two judgement) the radically unconstitutional actions of the Federal government involving the stealing of privately owned gold, and the voiding of gold clauses in contracts.</p>
<p>Indeed even in the late 19th century (supposedly the high point of government limitation by the court) the infamous second &#8220;Greenback&#8221; case overturned Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase judgement that the Constitution of the United States gave no power to the Federal government to issue paper money (a judgement he made in spite of the fact that he had been the very man who had issued the paper money, in his capacity as Treasury Secretary during the Civil War).</p>
<p>Perhaps a &#8220;Supreme Jury&#8221; would have been better &#8211; a group of ordinary citizens (perhaps one from each State) selected at random for each consittutional case.</p>
<p>Such a group would not tend to be skilled in the dark art of &#8220;interpreting&#8221; the Constitution out of existence. And would be more likely to decide on the basis of the arguments made by both sides of a dispute and the text in from of them (a text not beyond the wit of an ordinary person to understand).</p>
<p>By the way I must agree that the Cato person was quite wrong in thinking that &#8220;forbidding discrimination&#8221; (in the case of the State of Colorado not being allowed to stop local governments passing anti discrimination regulations) is somehow upholding &#8220;freedom of association&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the contrary (of course) &#8211; freedom of association depends on people being allowed to &#8220;discriminate&#8221;, i.e. to choose (to discriminate means to choose) who they will associate with. Whether this means play baseball with, or trade with, or employ, or whatever.</p>
<p>Modern &#8220;anti discrimination&#8221; regulations are wrong for the same reason that the old &#8220;Jim Crow&#8221; regulations were wrong &#8211; in that they tell people what they must do with their own property.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/6475/bolick-on-judicial-activism-more-on-libertarian-centralism-and-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-116662</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is all very well to attack the 14th Amendment - a rather vaguely worded part of the Constitution that may never have been correctly ratified. But this article goes way beyond that.

This article seems to be saying that the Bill of Rights only applies to the Federal government - this is a point of view (after all efforts to apply the Bill of Rights to the States have faced a lot of resistance over the centuries and still do), but to say that the U.S. Constitition limits on government power only apply to the Federal government does have some radical consequences.

For example, it would be acceptable for the State of California to ban the expression of political opinions that it did not approve of, or to ban religions that had beliefs that it did not approve of (after all the First Amendment would only apply to the Federal government).

Also (to give another example) one would have to say that Dartmouth versus the State of New Hampshire was incorrectly judged - that the State of New Hampshire (or any other State) can just take over anything it feels like taking over. And need not even provide compensation.

As a third example, all the people looking to see a vindication of the Second Amendment in the case against Washington D.C. would look in vain.

After all, even though Washington D.C. is under the Congress it does have a local govenment - and it is the local government that de facto bans the private ownership of firearms.

And even if the 2nd Amendment was held to apply to the D.C. it would not (according to this article) apply to any of the 50 States.

Of course it is a disgrace that the Constitutional limits on the Federal government have mostly collapsed - with (for example) the PURPOSE of the powers of Congress &quot;the common defence and general welfare&quot; being treated as &quot;general welfare power&quot; allowing government spending on anything, and (to give the other classic example) &quot;regulate interstate commerce&quot; being distorted to allow virtually any regualtion.

But this does not mean that there should be no limits on State and local government power (or that these limits should only be found in State constitutions). That (say) State government should be allowed to enforce slavery, or kill off whole ethnic groups (or whatever).

The United States would not be a country (a nation) at all, if State and local governments could do anything they felt like.

Of course the above is not the same as the question as to whether or not a State can leave the Union.

I accept that a State should be allowed to leave the Union (i.e. that the Federal government has no Constitutional right to stop a State leaving the Union), but whilst a State is part of the Union it must accept the fundemental limits on government power (not just Federal goverment power) laid down in the Constitution of the United States.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is all very well to attack the 14th Amendment &#8211; a rather vaguely worded part of the Constitution that may never have been correctly ratified. But this article goes way beyond that.</p>
<p>This article seems to be saying that the Bill of Rights only applies to the Federal government &#8211; this is a point of view (after all efforts to apply the Bill of Rights to the States have faced a lot of resistance over the centuries and still do), but to say that the U.S. Constitition limits on government power only apply to the Federal government does have some radical consequences.</p>
<p>For example, it would be acceptable for the State of California to ban the expression of political opinions that it did not approve of, or to ban religions that had beliefs that it did not approve of (after all the First Amendment would only apply to the Federal government).</p>
<p>Also (to give another example) one would have to say that Dartmouth versus the State of New Hampshire was incorrectly judged &#8211; that the State of New Hampshire (or any other State) can just take over anything it feels like taking over. And need not even provide compensation.</p>
<p>As a third example, all the people looking to see a vindication of the Second Amendment in the case against Washington D.C. would look in vain.</p>
<p>After all, even though Washington D.C. is under the Congress it does have a local govenment &#8211; and it is the local government that de facto bans the private ownership of firearms.</p>
<p>And even if the 2nd Amendment was held to apply to the D.C. it would not (according to this article) apply to any of the 50 States.</p>
<p>Of course it is a disgrace that the Constitutional limits on the Federal government have mostly collapsed &#8211; with (for example) the PURPOSE of the powers of Congress &#8220;the common defence and general welfare&#8221; being treated as &#8220;general welfare power&#8221; allowing government spending on anything, and (to give the other classic example) &#8220;regulate interstate commerce&#8221; being distorted to allow virtually any regualtion.</p>
<p>But this does not mean that there should be no limits on State and local government power (or that these limits should only be found in State constitutions). That (say) State government should be allowed to enforce slavery, or kill off whole ethnic groups (or whatever).</p>
<p>The United States would not be a country (a nation) at all, if State and local governments could do anything they felt like.</p>
<p>Of course the above is not the same as the question as to whether or not a State can leave the Union.</p>
<p>I accept that a State should be allowed to leave the Union (i.e. that the Federal government has no Constitutional right to stop a State leaving the Union), but whilst a State is part of the Union it must accept the fundemental limits on government power (not just Federal goverment power) laid down in the Constitution of the United States.</p>
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