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		<title>By: Graeme Murray</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-568880</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops! I forgot to ask. May I quote you in the book that I am writing on the patent myth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! I forgot to ask. May I quote you in the book that I am writing on the patent myth?</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Murray</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-568879</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello. Is it a prerequisite of IP law that a patent be understood by one&#039;versed in the art&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Is it a prerequisite of IP law that a patent be understood by one&#8217;versed in the art&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Robinson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-540879</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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Hi there,

I saw your blog post very interesting.i am Nick Robinson,a community member at Patents DOT Com(a comprehensive &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patents.com&quot;&gt;free patent search&lt;/a&gt; engine).Will like to talk(through email) to you,is this the right time to talk about or should we talk during weekends ?

Regards,
Nick Robinson

E-nickrbson@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I saw your blog post very interesting.i am Nick Robinson,a community member at Patents DOT Com(a comprehensive <a href="http://www.patents.com">free patent search</a> engine).Will like to talk(through email) to you,is this the right time to talk about or should we talk during weekends ?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Nick Robinson</p>
<p><a href="mailto:E-nickrbson@gmail.com">E-nickrbson@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sione</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107810</link>
		<dc:creator>Sione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Person

In that case it has been established your test of obviousness is wrong. It is flawed and your question has been answered.   

Sione]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Person</p>
<p>In that case it has been established your test of obviousness is wrong. It is flawed and your question has been answered.   </p>
<p>Sione</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107787</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;
Here is an egregious example of a patent being offered for an obvious packaging of non-original work. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blackboard&#039;s US patent 6,988,138&lt;br&gt;
From NoEduPatents&lt;br&gt;

English Translation of the Blackboard Patent Claims&lt;br&gt;


The following is a listing of the 44 claims in Blackboard&#039;s U.S. patent #6,988,138, along with an interpretation of each claim. The initial text interpretation of each of the 44 claims were written by Michael Feldstein, who is not a lawyer. This information does not constitute legal advice.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;p&gt;

A summary of the patent claim:&lt;br&gt;

    &lt;b&gt;Summary: &lt;/b&gt;&quot;We, Blackboard, invented a system that allows students to interact online with instructors in a course setting. We also invented a method that tracks for each user which data files they are able to read and write, how the data files are transmitted across the network from and to a user&#039;s personal computer via an intermediate server, and finally the means by which course data files are presented and organized for each user.&quot; &lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Claim 1 and Claim 36 are the &quot;independent&quot; claims and therefore the most important ones. The other claims are &quot;dependent&quot; on one or both of the independents.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
A literal translation of the two independent claims:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;

    &quot;We (Blackboard Inc.) invented the Idea of creating a computer program for faculty and students who wish to share course files over the Internet. Our computer program will simultaneously accommodate several faculty members, several students, several courses, and several course files. All course files will be stored on a central server and be accessible by students and faculty with their personal computers. The course files will travel to and from the server over a network. Our computer program will keep track of who is authorized to create, read, and modify each file on the server. The authorization will depend upon the particular course being taught, the faculty member who is teaching it, and the students who are enrolled in the course. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
    In particular, our computer program will be able to perform the following steps: a) ensure each user is able to access and manipulate the appropriate course file depending on their authorization; b) designate which courses will be in the system and, accordingly, associate the set of files that go together with that course; allow the authorized user to transmit those files to the server for storage; and allow the authorized users to access and manipulate those files. c) if the user is a student, ensure that the student is able to access the student files; d) if the user is not a student, ensure that they are also able to access their authorized files.&quot; 
&lt;br.,br.
For the complete critique go to:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138&quot;&gt;http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>
Here is an egregious example of a patent being offered for an obvious packaging of non-original work.
</p>
<p>Blackboard&#8217;s US patent 6,988,138<br />
From NoEduPatents</p>
<p>English Translation of the Blackboard Patent Claims</p>
<p>The following is a listing of the 44 claims in Blackboard&#8217;s U.S. patent #6,988,138, along with an interpretation of each claim. The initial text interpretation of each of the 44 claims were written by Michael Feldstein, who is not a lawyer. This information does not constitute legal advice.
</p>
<p>A summary of the patent claim:</p>
<p>    <b>Summary: </b>&#8220;We, Blackboard, invented a system that allows students to interact online with instructors in a course setting. We also invented a method that tracks for each user which data files they are able to read and write, how the data files are transmitted across the network from and to a user&#8217;s personal computer via an intermediate server, and finally the means by which course data files are presented and organized for each user.&#8221; </p>
<p>Claim 1 and Claim 36 are the &#8220;independent&#8221; claims and therefore the most important ones. The other claims are &#8220;dependent&#8221; on one or both of the independents.</p>
<p>A literal translation of the two independent claims:</p>
<p>    &#8220;We (Blackboard Inc.) invented the Idea of creating a computer program for faculty and students who wish to share course files over the Internet. Our computer program will simultaneously accommodate several faculty members, several students, several courses, and several course files. All course files will be stored on a central server and be accessible by students and faculty with their personal computers. The course files will travel to and from the server over a network. Our computer program will keep track of who is authorized to create, read, and modify each file on the server. The authorization will depend upon the particular course being taught, the faculty member who is teaching it, and the students who are enrolled in the course. </p>
<p>    In particular, our computer program will be able to perform the following steps: a) ensure each user is able to access and manipulate the appropriate course file depending on their authorization; b) designate which courses will be in the system and, accordingly, associate the set of files that go together with that course; allow the authorized user to transmit those files to the server for storage; and allow the authorized users to access and manipulate those files. c) if the user is a student, ensure that the student is able to access the student files; d) if the user is not a student, ensure that they are also able to access their authorized files.&#8221;<br />
<br .,br.<br />
For the complete critique go to:<br />
<br /><a href="http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138"></a><a href="http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138"></a><a href="http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138">http://noedupatents.org/wiki/index.php?title=Blackboard%E2%80%99s_US_patent_6%2C988%2C138</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107769</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The obviousness question can best be resolved by asking who should bear the burden: shouldn&#039;t the applicant be burdened to prove why he/she deserves a patent that can potentially earn millions. Right now, the burden is on the PTO to prove obviousness by finding some motivation for trivial items. This unfair burden has obviously resulted in questionable patents being issued. Instead, why not have the PTO determine whether the submitted application is obvious or not, and then if the PTO says it&#039;s obvious, have the applicant be burdened to prove via secondary considerations such as unexpected results, difficult problem solved, etc. that he/she really has a nonobviousness patent. This way, the burden rightfully rests on the party that has the most to gain.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The obviousness question can best be resolved by asking who should bear the burden: shouldn&#8217;t the applicant be burdened to prove why he/she deserves a patent that can potentially earn millions. Right now, the burden is on the PTO to prove obviousness by finding some motivation for trivial items. This unfair burden has obviously resulted in questionable patents being issued. Instead, why not have the PTO determine whether the submitted application is obvious or not, and then if the PTO says it&#8217;s obvious, have the applicant be burdened to prove via secondary considerations such as unexpected results, difficult problem solved, etc. that he/she really has a nonobviousness patent. This way, the burden rightfully rests on the party that has the most to gain.  </p>
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		<title>By: Person</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107764</link>
		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sione: That&#039;s true.  It also depends on the mood of the examiner and the people he asks, how much rain there is that day, who knows more about what, and many other factors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, the same &quot;arbitrarity&quot; that happens in every matter of law there is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sione: That&#8217;s true.  It also depends on the mood of the examiner and the people he asks, how much rain there is that day, who knows more about what, and many other factors.</p>
<p>In other words, the same &#8220;arbitrarity&#8221; that happens in every matter of law there is.</p>
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		<title>By: Sione</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107761</link>
		<dc:creator>Sione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Person

re Definition of Obviousness

Depends on which five (or more) people experienced in the art the examiner approaches.
Depends on what experience they have.
Depends on what he asks them and how the questions are asked precisely.  
Depends on the context.  

Your method is arbitrary and, in practice, it will end up no better than the present morass.  Know why?  Start by asking five or more people experienced in IP (choose carefully).   

Sione

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Person</p>
<p>re Definition of Obviousness</p>
<p>Depends on which five (or more) people experienced in the art the examiner approaches.<br />
Depends on what experience they have.<br />
Depends on what he asks them and how the questions are asked precisely.<br />
Depends on the context.  </p>
<p>Your method is arbitrary and, in practice, it will end up no better than the present morass.  Know why?  Start by asking five or more people experienced in IP (choose carefully).   </p>
<p>Sione</p>
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		<title>By: Person</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107759</link>
		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[quasi_bill:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How about this: The examiner finds ~5 (or more) people versed in the art.  He poses to them the problem solved by the patent.  He asks them to list ways to solve that problem.  If one of them mentions the method listed in the patent, it&#039;s obvious.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, what is wrong with that method of defining obviousness?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quasi_bill:</p>
<p>How about this: The examiner finds ~5 (or more) people versed in the art.  He poses to them the problem solved by the patent.  He asks them to list ways to solve that problem.  If one of them mentions the method listed in the patent, it&#8217;s obvious.</p>
<p>Now, what is wrong with that method of defining obviousness?</p>
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		<title>By: quasibill</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107740</link>
		<dc:creator>quasibill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always thought that the &quot;non-obviousness&quot; element was the easiest way to attack the concept of patents.  It&#039;s complete and utter bunk, calling for a subjective determination that can be masqueraded as objective.  After all, what is obvious to you?  How about compared to what is obvious to Stephen Hawking?  Compared to what is obvious to the janitor at the local high school?

Well, none of that is important, after all.  The only person that gets to judge obviousness is an appointed government official with &quot;legal&quot; training.  And more often than not, this official merely determines which litigant has supported his political patron more to determine whether the invention is obvious.

It&#039;s all smoke and mirrors, no substance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought that the &#8220;non-obviousness&#8221; element was the easiest way to attack the concept of patents.  It&#8217;s complete and utter bunk, calling for a subjective determination that can be masqueraded as objective.  After all, what is obvious to you?  How about compared to what is obvious to Stephen Hawking?  Compared to what is obvious to the janitor at the local high school?</p>
<p>Well, none of that is important, after all.  The only person that gets to judge obviousness is an appointed government official with &#8220;legal&#8221; training.  And more often than not, this official merely determines which litigant has supported his political patron more to determine whether the invention is obvious.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all smoke and mirrors, no substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Person</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107729</link>
		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No thanks Sione, I&#039;ll stick to pointing out the flaws in the arguments others present.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thanks Sione, I&#8217;ll stick to pointing out the flaws in the arguments others present.</p>
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		<title>By: Sione</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107726</link>
		<dc:creator>Sione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[person

Instead of your usual sniping and bitching, how about stating YOUR position regarding IP, how you derive it and how you verify it.  That would allow others the chance to evaluate whether you have a logical position and whether your view is tenable.  

Sione  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>person</p>
<p>Instead of your usual sniping and bitching, how about stating YOUR position regarding IP, how you derive it and how you verify it.  That would allow others the chance to evaluate whether you have a logical position and whether your view is tenable.  </p>
<p>Sione  </p>
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		<title>By: Person</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5956/patent-law-baby-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-107691</link>
		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And some areas of physical property law are tricky or warrant reform.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*yawn*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some areas of physical property law are tricky or warrant reform.</p>
<p>*yawn*</p>
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