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		<title>By: Vince Daliessio</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5567/only-technology-and-economic-education-can-save-us/comment-page-1/#comment-101487</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Daliessio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re inflation and time preference;

Observe carefully the spending behavior. The vast majority of people get rid of dollars as fast as they can. 

Why? Because a) every dollar loses value due to monetary inflation every second it is held; b)loss of value is compounded by flat wages and higher taxes; c) available net interest is negative when adjusted for inflation and taxes. People buy instead of saving because they value objects, and the utility of having and using those objects more than the dollars they exchange for them.

If monetary inflation and income taxes were eliminated, spending would decrease and saving would increase. While I do not accept this outcome as justifying such a policy (appeal to utility), they should nonetheless be eliminated for moral reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re inflation and time preference;</p>
<p>Observe carefully the spending behavior. The vast majority of people get rid of dollars as fast as they can. </p>
<p>Why? Because a) every dollar loses value due to monetary inflation every second it is held; b)loss of value is compounded by flat wages and higher taxes; c) available net interest is negative when adjusted for inflation and taxes. People buy instead of saving because they value objects, and the utility of having and using those objects more than the dollars they exchange for them.</p>
<p>If monetary inflation and income taxes were eliminated, spending would decrease and saving would increase. While I do not accept this outcome as justifying such a policy (appeal to utility), they should nonetheless be eliminated for moral reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5567/only-technology-and-economic-education-can-save-us/comment-page-1/#comment-101484</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone is a materialist to some extent, but inflation certainly exacerbates it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is a materialist to some extent, but inflation certainly exacerbates it.</p>
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		<title>By: Adem Kupi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adem Kupi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, in fact, monetary inflation, and the resulting high time preference is also a major reason why people are not economically literate. First, all of their naive observations of the economy are distorted by inflation, and secondly, they don&#039;t have time, at least in their minds, to really question the world as presented by the media, etc.
Intellectual activity becomes a relatively low priority when other priorities are artificially subsidized by inflation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, in fact, monetary inflation, and the resulting high time preference is also a major reason why people are not economically literate. First, all of their naive observations of the economy are distorted by inflation, and secondly, they don&#8217;t have time, at least in their minds, to really question the world as presented by the media, etc.<br />
Intellectual activity becomes a relatively low priority when other priorities are artificially subsidized by inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Bradley</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5567/only-technology-and-economic-education-can-save-us/comment-page-1/#comment-101446</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[quasibill,
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Materialism is directly caused by the state. The state, through various interventionist polcies, most notably expansionary monetary policy, have artificially raised the time preferences of the people. For example, if inflation is worth more now than it will be tomorrow, I am going to spend it now! 
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As the state reduces its size, time preference will do down with it. As time preference decreases and forward-orientedness increases, materialism will decrease as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quasibill,</p>
<p>
Materialism is directly caused by the state. The state, through various interventionist polcies, most notably expansionary monetary policy, have artificially raised the time preferences of the people. For example, if inflation is worth more now than it will be tomorrow, I am going to spend it now!
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<p>
As the state reduces its size, time preference will do down with it. As time preference decreases and forward-orientedness increases, materialism will decrease as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that libertarians and Austrians must at the very least, be educating their children thoroughly in these two fields of knowledge. Through this home-based education, they should also instill in their children the importance of these ideas, not merely as interesting and useful insights, but as knowledge that is critical towards the advancement of western civilization. The ideas that we pass on to our children need to be recognized by them as important enough to be taken to heart and to be able to defend them against others, and to again pass on to their own children in like fashion.

A case where this approach would possibly have had notable impact is in the situation of the Buffet family. Howard Buffet was a staunch libertarian and a friend of Murray Rothbard. In contrast, Howard Buffet&#039;s son, Warren, while a spectacularly successful businessman, reveals himself to be somewhat less of a libertarian and actually ignorant of the free market economics under which much of his success hinged on. In terms of his entrepreneurial skill in contrast with his lack of understanding of free market economics, he has been referred to as an idiot savant. 

Would it not be more advantageous for liberty if it had as a spokesman such a successful and renowned businessman as Warren Buffet who was also a principled libertarian who understood the ethical and economic principles on which his success was founded? Instead I hear statists quoting him to support their arguments for government intervention in the market. That&#039;s disgusting and does not seem to assist the cause of liberty very much at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that libertarians and Austrians must at the very least, be educating their children thoroughly in these two fields of knowledge. Through this home-based education, they should also instill in their children the importance of these ideas, not merely as interesting and useful insights, but as knowledge that is critical towards the advancement of western civilization. The ideas that we pass on to our children need to be recognized by them as important enough to be taken to heart and to be able to defend them against others, and to again pass on to their own children in like fashion.</p>
<p>A case where this approach would possibly have had notable impact is in the situation of the Buffet family. Howard Buffet was a staunch libertarian and a friend of Murray Rothbard. In contrast, Howard Buffet&#8217;s son, Warren, while a spectacularly successful businessman, reveals himself to be somewhat less of a libertarian and actually ignorant of the free market economics under which much of his success hinged on. In terms of his entrepreneurial skill in contrast with his lack of understanding of free market economics, he has been referred to as an idiot savant. </p>
<p>Would it not be more advantageous for liberty if it had as a spokesman such a successful and renowned businessman as Warren Buffet who was also a principled libertarian who understood the ethical and economic principles on which his success was founded? Instead I hear statists quoting him to support their arguments for government intervention in the market. That&#8217;s disgusting and does not seem to assist the cause of liberty very much at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A huge portion of voters watch professional wrestling, and they vote. We should figure out ways to reach that group. A while back this blog had a lesson plan for teaching econ to 5th graders. I suggest we take that plan and use it to reach wrestling and NASCAR fans. We could also use it for journalists, but it might be to difficult for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A huge portion of voters watch professional wrestling, and they vote. We should figure out ways to reach that group. A while back this blog had a lesson plan for teaching econ to 5th graders. I suggest we take that plan and use it to reach wrestling and NASCAR fans. We could also use it for journalists, but it might be to difficult for them.</p>
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		<title>By: happy lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>happy lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was touched by Arthur Foulkes&#039; remarkable essay in the current Free Market.  I wonder what the longterm benefit would be if each of us volunteered to teach a little econ in highschool?  Maybe bring a grab bag of free handouts for the few kids who express a further interest in this stuff -- MNR&#039;s For a New Liberty, Hazlitt&#039;s Econ in One Lesson, Rand&#039;s Atlas Shrugged, etc.  I had to stumble upon this stuff by myself in college.  What a difference it would&#039;ve made to see a little of it in highschool.  (I&#039;d offer that we should offer classes in colleges, but the intellectual bodyguards of the State would fend off any such attempts....)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was touched by Arthur Foulkes&#8217; remarkable essay in the current Free Market.  I wonder what the longterm benefit would be if each of us volunteered to teach a little econ in highschool?  Maybe bring a grab bag of free handouts for the few kids who express a further interest in this stuff &#8212; MNR&#8217;s For a New Liberty, Hazlitt&#8217;s Econ in One Lesson, Rand&#8217;s Atlas Shrugged, etc.  I had to stumble upon this stuff by myself in college.  What a difference it would&#8217;ve made to see a little of it in highschool.  (I&#8217;d offer that we should offer classes in colleges, but the intellectual bodyguards of the State would fend off any such attempts&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: quasibill</title>
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		<dc:creator>quasibill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manuel,

&quot;how much different would it be without a central bank to facilitate super-easy credit? Maybe what you see as the tipping point that you say is caused by abundance and spending has been greatly exaggerated by central banking and debt.&quot;

I think we&#039;re on the same wavelength.  Personally, I see the Fed as the single biggest enemy to liberty in the U.S. today.  Not only does it empower the state to do things it otherwise couldn&#039;t afford, it warps culture in myriad &quot;bad&quot; ways.  I&#039;m far from a conservative, but I see much to praise in traditional sentiments regarding savings, envy and the feeling that the sum of life is not measured in terms of how much money an individual produces and consumes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manuel,</p>
<p>&#8220;how much different would it be without a central bank to facilitate super-easy credit? Maybe what you see as the tipping point that you say is caused by abundance and spending has been greatly exaggerated by central banking and debt.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re on the same wavelength.  Personally, I see the Fed as the single biggest enemy to liberty in the U.S. today.  Not only does it empower the state to do things it otherwise couldn&#8217;t afford, it warps culture in myriad &#8220;bad&#8221; ways.  I&#8217;m far from a conservative, but I see much to praise in traditional sentiments regarding savings, envy and the feeling that the sum of life is not measured in terms of how much money an individual produces and consumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though I don&#039;t deny that some people, even most perhaps, are spending a lot, how much different would it be without a central bank to facilitate super-easy credit? Maybe what you see as the tipping point that you say is caused by abundance and spending has been greatly exaggerated by central banking and debt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I don&#8217;t deny that some people, even most perhaps, are spending a lot, how much different would it be without a central bank to facilitate super-easy credit? Maybe what you see as the tipping point that you say is caused by abundance and spending has been greatly exaggerated by central banking and debt.</p>
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		<title>By: quasibill</title>
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		<dc:creator>quasibill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely agree with the sentiment, and think that not enough is said about this aspect.  However, I&#039;d like to point out that in actuality, we already are wealthy enough, as a whole, to be at your tipping point.  The two problems are states (duh) and the confiscatory and wealth reducing powers they exercise over their citizens, and materialism.  Even with our state and its huge wealth destruction, most people live well beyond subsistence.  However, they constantly spend well beyond their means for luxuries that they definitely don&#039;t need, and probably don&#039;t really want, forcing them to work ever longer hours to make more money - especially when they&#039;ve trapped themselves with debt to buy this unnecessary items in the first place.

Not that I&#039;m advocating some coercion or whatever to end materialism, but that it might be necessary to first address the cultural bankruptcy of pure materialism through education before large numbers of people will have the free time you envision to become autodidacts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree with the sentiment, and think that not enough is said about this aspect.  However, I&#8217;d like to point out that in actuality, we already are wealthy enough, as a whole, to be at your tipping point.  The two problems are states (duh) and the confiscatory and wealth reducing powers they exercise over their citizens, and materialism.  Even with our state and its huge wealth destruction, most people live well beyond subsistence.  However, they constantly spend well beyond their means for luxuries that they definitely don&#8217;t need, and probably don&#8217;t really want, forcing them to work ever longer hours to make more money &#8211; especially when they&#8217;ve trapped themselves with debt to buy this unnecessary items in the first place.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m advocating some coercion or whatever to end materialism, but that it might be necessary to first address the cultural bankruptcy of pure materialism through education before large numbers of people will have the free time you envision to become autodidacts.</p>
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