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	<title>Comments on: Classical Liberal Roots of the Marxist Doctrine of Classes</title>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5319/classical-liberal-roots-of-the-marxist-doctrine-of-classes/comment-page-1/#comment-98221</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor Raico&#039;s exposition is informative but unfortunately leaves out any references to the Scottish Enlightenment scholar &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/millar_john.htm&quot;&gt;John Millar&lt;/a&gt; whose 1771 book &lt;a href=&quot;http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/millar/rank&quot;&gt;&quot;The Origin of the Distinction of Ranks:
or, An Inquiry into the Circumstances
which give rise to Influence and Authority,
In the Different Members of Society&quot;&lt;/a&gt; would seem to be an earlier claimant to both French classical liberal and Marxist class analysis. Millar&#039;s contributions are outlined extensively by Oxford&#039;s  George Watson&#039;s brilliant little gem, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0718829867/ref=cm_aya_asin.title/104-6702512-8923908?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;v=glance&amp;n=283155&quot;&gt;&quot;Lost Literature of Socialism&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. I understand Raico and other Mises Circle scholars emphasise French to Anglophone or Scot pioneers of classical liberalism, however Millar is a thinker on class matters who is often overlooked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Raico&#8217;s exposition is informative but unfortunately leaves out any references to the Scottish Enlightenment scholar <a href="http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/millar_john.htm">John Millar</a> whose 1771 book <a href="http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/millar/rank">&#8220;The Origin of the Distinction of Ranks:<br />
or, An Inquiry into the Circumstances<br />
which give rise to Influence and Authority,<br />
In the Different Members of Society&#8221;</a> would seem to be an earlier claimant to both French classical liberal and Marxist class analysis. Millar&#8217;s contributions are outlined extensively by Oxford&#8217;s  George Watson&#8217;s brilliant little gem, the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0718829867/ref=cm_aya_asin.title/104-6702512-8923908?%5Fencoding=UTF8&#038;v=glance&#038;n=283155">&#8220;Lost Literature of Socialism&#8221;</a>. I understand Raico and other Mises Circle scholars emphasise French to Anglophone or Scot pioneers of classical liberalism, however Millar is a thinker on class matters who is often overlooked.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5319/classical-liberal-roots-of-the-marxist-doctrine-of-classes/comment-page-1/#comment-98220</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FWIW: argumenta ad homines]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW: argumenta ad homines</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Ryan</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5319/classical-liberal-roots-of-the-marxist-doctrine-of-classes/comment-page-1/#comment-98204</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel M. Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A postscriptual note. The only political position that is proof against the &quot;hypocrisy&quot; allegation happens to be high Toryism. High Tories assert that the Statesman is the highest rank in society, and that any theory of politics which denies it is advocated by mooches, wannabees or rejects. The joke on the socialists is that, through the use of impugnment instead of refutation, they wind up becoming the cannon fodder for that kind of Tory, who is quite amenable to adding Bismarckian socialism to the Program of State. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A postscriptual note. The only political position that is proof against the &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; allegation happens to be high Toryism. High Tories assert that the Statesman is the highest rank in society, and that any theory of politics which denies it is advocated by mooches, wannabees or rejects. The joke on the socialists is that, through the use of impugnment instead of refutation, they wind up becoming the cannon fodder for that kind of Tory, who is quite amenable to adding Bismarckian socialism to the Program of State. </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Ryan</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5319/classical-liberal-roots-of-the-marxist-doctrine-of-classes/comment-page-1/#comment-98200</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel M. Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While reading Prof. Raico&#039;s article, I couldn&#039;t get the hunch out of my head that young Karl was sent to Paris by his father to read the &lt;i&gt;Censeur EuropÃ©en&lt;/i&gt;, and the works by its circle of authors, in order to make a &quot;good liberal&quot; out of him - with Marx arriving in time to see that group while in the stages of its members being bought off by the government of Louis-Philippe.

There&#039;s an ironic facet of this, which has rated too little comment. Marx himself, if you don&#039;t count his irresponsibilities concerning debt, got through life largely through subsisting on voluntary charity, as did Engels. This meant that his own system, during its formative stages, was not subject to the common-sense critique which temporarily demolished the &lt;i&gt;Industriel&lt;/i&gt; school, that he was just creating a squawk so as to get his own boys on the government payroll. Since many people size up the writing through the life of the writer, this facet might very well have had more influence on the spread of Marxism than is generally realized. 

Just imagine how this point, if deployed skillfully in debate, would confound a &quot;bourgeois&quot;: 

&quot;The great Marx lived at heart according to your way, and yet he concluded that all private property should be abolished for the good of humanity. Your heroes concluded that private property is progressive, and yet they have, almost to a man, snapped up &#039;reactionary&#039;, &#039;parasitic&#039; government jobs as quickly as they&#039;ve been offered them....&quot;

Thankfully, the intellectual progress of humanity has not &#039;advanced&#039; to the point where the doctrine of polylogism - a rhetorical stratagem used to fend off the point that all defenses of socialism of this sort rely upon &lt;i&gt;argumentae ad hominae&lt;/i&gt; - has prevailed. The mind still speaks.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While reading Prof. Raico&#8217;s article, I couldn&#8217;t get the hunch out of my head that young Karl was sent to Paris by his father to read the <i>Censeur EuropÃ©en</i>, and the works by its circle of authors, in order to make a &#8220;good liberal&#8221; out of him &#8211; with Marx arriving in time to see that group while in the stages of its members being bought off by the government of Louis-Philippe.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an ironic facet of this, which has rated too little comment. Marx himself, if you don&#8217;t count his irresponsibilities concerning debt, got through life largely through subsisting on voluntary charity, as did Engels. This meant that his own system, during its formative stages, was not subject to the common-sense critique which temporarily demolished the <i>Industriel</i> school, that he was just creating a squawk so as to get his own boys on the government payroll. Since many people size up the writing through the life of the writer, this facet might very well have had more influence on the spread of Marxism than is generally realized. </p>
<p>Just imagine how this point, if deployed skillfully in debate, would confound a &#8220;bourgeois&#8221;: </p>
<p>&#8220;The great Marx lived at heart according to your way, and yet he concluded that all private property should be abolished for the good of humanity. Your heroes concluded that private property is progressive, and yet they have, almost to a man, snapped up &#8216;reactionary&#8217;, &#8216;parasitic&#8217; government jobs as quickly as they&#8217;ve been offered them&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thankfully, the intellectual progress of humanity has not &#8216;advanced&#8217; to the point where the doctrine of polylogism &#8211; a rhetorical stratagem used to fend off the point that all defenses of socialism of this sort rely upon <i>argumentae ad hominae</i> &#8211; has prevailed. The mind still speaks.   </p>
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		<title>By: Curt Howland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt Howland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since my book budget isn&#039;t what it once was, I&#039;m looking forward to &quot;The Revolution Of 1912&quot;.
&lt;p&gt;That should be a page turner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since my book budget isn&#8217;t what it once was, I&#8217;m looking forward to &#8220;The Revolution Of 1912&#8243;.</p>
<p>That should be a page turner.</p>
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		<title>By: Dain</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5319/classical-liberal-roots-of-the-marxist-doctrine-of-classes/comment-page-1/#comment-98177</link>
		<dc:creator>Dain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw Dr. Raico interviewed by Brian Doherty of Reason magazine last year at Mises University. It was an honor. I too would like to see this treatise you speak of Ancalagon.

Doherty is working on a book about the history of radical American libertarianism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Dr. Raico interviewed by Brian Doherty of Reason magazine last year at Mises University. It was an honor. I too would like to see this treatise you speak of Ancalagon.</p>
<p>Doherty is working on a book about the history of radical American libertarianism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ancalagon</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5319/classical-liberal-roots-of-the-marxist-doctrine-of-classes/comment-page-1/#comment-98172</link>
		<dc:creator>Ancalagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doubt I&#039;ll get an answer here, but does anyone know what the status on Professor Raico&#039;s oft-delayed treatise on classical liberalism is? He alludes to it in his seminar on the history of liberty but I&#039;ve seen no recent mention of it in libertarian circles. 
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
In an effort to make this relevant, I highly suggest  this article and/or the lecture given by Professor Raico on the same topic, &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.mises.org/mp3/marxism/Raico.mp3&quot;&gt;available in the media section&lt;/a&gt;. Incredibly informative intellectual ammunition. And the prose is a delight as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubt I&#8217;ll get an answer here, but does anyone know what the status on Professor Raico&#8217;s oft-delayed treatise on classical liberalism is? He alludes to it in his seminar on the history of liberty but I&#8217;ve seen no recent mention of it in libertarian circles. </p>
<p>In an effort to make this relevant, I highly suggest  this article and/or the lecture given by Professor Raico on the same topic, <a href="http://media.mises.org/mp3/marxism/Raico.mp3">available in the media section</a>. Incredibly informative intellectual ammunition. And the prose is a delight as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5319/classical-liberal-roots-of-the-marxist-doctrine-of-classes/comment-page-1/#comment-98168</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good.</p>
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