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		<title>By: Tom Rapheal</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5080/that-fiery-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-122141</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Rapheal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you kidding me rtr? Even though I agree with you in this situation, you are being extremely rude.  Chris, you underestimate the ability of the market to  adapt. Resources have been lost before and were replaced without catastrophe.  Resources that near depletion would be stored by speculators.  This new demand would push up prices and reduce use and foster opportunities for profit by finding more of the resource or finding an alternate resource.  With this scenario it is difficult to see a resource running out to the point of needing to &quot;change&quot; (hamper) the economic system.  Above all, do you see another economic system that could possibly work for humans?  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me rtr? Even though I agree with you in this situation, you are being extremely rude.  Chris, you underestimate the ability of the market to  adapt. Resources have been lost before and were replaced without catastrophe.  Resources that near depletion would be stored by speculators.  This new demand would push up prices and reduce use and foster opportunities for profit by finding more of the resource or finding an alternate resource.  With this scenario it is difficult to see a resource running out to the point of needing to &#8220;change&#8221; (hamper) the economic system.  Above all, do you see another economic system that could possibly work for humans?  </p>
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		<title>By: rtr</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5080/that-fiery-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-122117</link>
		<dc:creator>rtr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LMAO, &quot;the whole *NATURE* of capitalism will change in the next ten years&quot; ...

Wrong. But then you should already be running down the street, arms flailing, screaming gibberish.

I mean, damn, if you want to be convicted for your conviction, just keep it up.

But thanks, thanks, for adding your 100% bullshit reply regarding &quot;capitalism&quot;. Go get hooked on phonix with yer kidz, if you still wanna, no, obviously you dont, be a gentleman and a scholar.

P.S. Please remove all &quot;economicZ&quot; refrenceZ to your understanding. How do you feel now, dumba$$?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO, &#8220;the whole *NATURE* of capitalism will change in the next ten years&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>Wrong. But then you should already be running down the street, arms flailing, screaming gibberish.</p>
<p>I mean, damn, if you want to be convicted for your conviction, just keep it up.</p>
<p>But thanks, thanks, for adding your 100% bullshit reply regarding &#8220;capitalism&#8221;. Go get hooked on phonix with yer kidz, if you still wanna, no, obviously you dont, be a gentleman and a scholar.</p>
<p>P.S. Please remove all &#8220;economicZ&#8221; refrenceZ to your understanding. How do you feel now, dumba$$?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heath</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5080/that-fiery-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-122107</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great read, however, the whole nature of capitalism will change greatly in the next ten years, as it is based on the idea of wealth creation at the expense of the natural resources, as they (resources)dry up the world will surely change it economic model?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read, however, the whole nature of capitalism will change greatly in the next ten years, as it is based on the idea of wealth creation at the expense of the natural resources, as they (resources)dry up the world will surely change it economic model?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Gladish</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5080/that-fiery-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-94342</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Gladish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 03:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The author of the blog post is apparently unaware that the Tannehills were influenced directly or indirectly by Andrew J. Galambos.  As evidence, they credit Skye D&#039;Aureous, the &lt;i&gt;nom de plume&lt;/i&gt; of Durk Pearson, in the acknowledgments.  Pearson had taken Galambos&#039;s original Course 100 and the initial presentation of F-201.  Also, if they knew of Galambos, chances are that they knew of Robert LeFevre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of the blog post is apparently unaware that the Tannehills were influenced directly or indirectly by Andrew J. Galambos.  As evidence, they credit Skye D&#8217;Aureous, the <i>nom de plume</i> of Durk Pearson, in the acknowledgments.  Pearson had taken Galambos&#8217;s original Course 100 and the initial presentation of F-201.  Also, if they knew of Galambos, chances are that they knew of Robert LeFevre.</p>
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		<title>By: closet anarchist in the military</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/5080/that-fiery-classic/comment-page-1/#comment-94323</link>
		<dc:creator>closet anarchist in the military</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you, averros :)

I agree that there may be a place for many of us.  
Discovering a workable system to take on agressors using volunatry and private means of defence (as discussed in Hoppe&#039;s last book)  is probably the bigest priority on my agenda.  THE MARKET FOR LIBERTY and THE MYTH OF NATIONAL DEFENSE  are both great books.  What I want to see are theorists, like Billy Mitchell, Liddel Hart from days of old.  Only, I want to see theorists come along to deconstruct modern conventional war and formulate a theory to defeat the states that use it with private voluntary means.  I find the mid 20th century Communist guerilla chieftans to be useful only to a piont.  Anyone out there watch the history channel and know that it&#039;s full of it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you, averros <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree that there may be a place for many of us.<br />
Discovering a workable system to take on agressors using volunatry and private means of defence (as discussed in Hoppe&#8217;s last book)  is probably the bigest priority on my agenda.  THE MARKET FOR LIBERTY and THE MYTH OF NATIONAL DEFENSE  are both great books.  What I want to see are theorists, like Billy Mitchell, Liddel Hart from days of old.  Only, I want to see theorists come along to deconstruct modern conventional war and formulate a theory to defeat the states that use it with private voluntary means.  I find the mid 20th century Communist guerilla chieftans to be useful only to a piont.  Anyone out there watch the history channel and know that it&#8217;s full of it?</p>
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		<title>By: M E Hoffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>M E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[c.a.i.t.m.,

I agree that the prime charge of Liberty, Eternal Vigilence, cannot be delegated.  The idea that it can be, is, to me, the idea, once accepted, that imperils Liberty, nay, mitigates Liberty, to its Death.  Patrick Henry, brave, he was, left for us all the &quot;Political Triangulation&quot; we needed to understand: Liberty or Death.

As far as your feelings are concerned, I&#039;ll posit it is due to: that you have, in fact, walked the mean streets that many, here, only experience, virtually, behind their keyboards.  Easy, it is, that many of us console ourselves with the pragmatism of acquiesence, while doing our level best to empower the beast that is consuming the, potential, future fruited with Liberty.  It would not be surprising that our easy words and faint deeds are reminiscent of many of the pews that fill, but one day a week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>c.a.i.t.m.,</p>
<p>I agree that the prime charge of Liberty, Eternal Vigilence, cannot be delegated.  The idea that it can be, is, to me, the idea, once accepted, that imperils Liberty, nay, mitigates Liberty, to its Death.  Patrick Henry, brave, he was, left for us all the &#8220;Political Triangulation&#8221; we needed to understand: Liberty or Death.</p>
<p>As far as your feelings are concerned, I&#8217;ll posit it is due to: that you have, in fact, walked the mean streets that many, here, only experience, virtually, behind their keyboards.  Easy, it is, that many of us console ourselves with the pragmatism of acquiesence, while doing our level best to empower the beast that is consuming the, potential, future fruited with Liberty.  It would not be surprising that our easy words and faint deeds are reminiscent of many of the pews that fill, but one day a week.</p>
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		<title>By: averros</title>
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		<dc:creator>averros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 11:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[closet anarchist -- 

actually, military (well, &quot;paramilitary&quot;) forces have a role in a free society - as a part of commercial protection against large-scale external threats (such as remaining welfare-warfare or dictatorial states) and as a check against rogue protection agencies or criminal bands attempting to form new states.

Meanwhile, changing career now is probably a good choice - there&#039;s little sense in placing yourself in a danger for the sake of the kleptocrats&#039; ambitions. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>closet anarchist &#8212; </p>
<p>actually, military (well, &#8220;paramilitary&#8221;) forces have a role in a free society &#8211; as a part of commercial protection against large-scale external threats (such as remaining welfare-warfare or dictatorial states) and as a check against rogue protection agencies or criminal bands attempting to form new states.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, changing career now is probably a good choice &#8211; there&#8217;s little sense in placing yourself in a danger for the sake of the kleptocrats&#8217; ambitions. </p>
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		<title>By: closet anarchist in the military</title>
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		<dc:creator>closet anarchist in the military</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 08:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That &quot;eternal vigialance&quot; metioned is the obligation of EVERY free adult to ensure their own continuity of freedom.  It&#039;s not something that can be delegated to chaps like myself.  True I became aware of this reality after having chosen this career, for which there would most certainly be no demand in a free society.  Yes, I&#039;m going to have to change careers; but myself and like-minded commrades aren&#039;t afraid of it!  I AM afraid of what will happen when the not so like-minded of us realize that there is no safe 20 years and punch out retirement scheme that will sustain itself into the distant future.  (Why do I always feel like a hooker in church on this site?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;eternal vigialance&#8221; metioned is the obligation of EVERY free adult to ensure their own continuity of freedom.  It&#8217;s not something that can be delegated to chaps like myself.  True I became aware of this reality after having chosen this career, for which there would most certainly be no demand in a free society.  Yes, I&#8217;m going to have to change careers; but myself and like-minded commrades aren&#8217;t afraid of it!  I AM afraid of what will happen when the not so like-minded of us realize that there is no safe 20 years and punch out retirement scheme that will sustain itself into the distant future.  (Why do I always feel like a hooker in church on this site?)</p>
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		<title>By: Phil R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 07:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to like this book, but it disappointed me. I found The Machinery of Freedom by David Friedman ultimately more pursuasive. The Market for Liberty just read like a series of unjustified assertions. By this I don&#039;t mean that the assertions were incorrect or that they were unjustifiable, just that there didn&#039;t seem to be much of an effort made to back them up.

Speaking as someone who used to be a liberal, and became a libertarian, this is not the book that did the trick. I suspect its primary value may be in pursuading a &quot;deontological minarchist&quot; that market anarchy is a more consistent worldview. Since I&#039;ve never been one, I can&#039;t speak to that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to like this book, but it disappointed me. I found The Machinery of Freedom by David Friedman ultimately more pursuasive. The Market for Liberty just read like a series of unjustified assertions. By this I don&#8217;t mean that the assertions were incorrect or that they were unjustifiable, just that there didn&#8217;t seem to be much of an effort made to back them up.</p>
<p>Speaking as someone who used to be a liberal, and became a libertarian, this is not the book that did the trick. I suspect its primary value may be in pursuading a &#8220;deontological minarchist&#8221; that market anarchy is a more consistent worldview. Since I&#8217;ve never been one, I can&#8217;t speak to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen W. Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen W. Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 06:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to add my voice to how great a book this is. And from me that is really saying something since I was, as usual, turned off by the Randian stuff. But I found that once I pushed through that (mostly the first chapter as I recall) the book got into some really valuable analysis of a fully anarchistic society. The young anarchist should read this book as a companion to Power &amp; Market by Rothbard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to add my voice to how great a book this is. And from me that is really saying something since I was, as usual, turned off by the Randian stuff. But I found that once I pushed through that (mostly the first chapter as I recall) the book got into some really valuable analysis of a fully anarchistic society. The young anarchist should read this book as a companion to Power &#038; Market by Rothbard.</p>
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		<title>By: Government Employee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Government Employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 05:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being a government employee myself, I like this paragraph from chapter 15:
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Government employees would have to find jobs in private enterprise if they wanted to work.  There are two major kinds of government employees -- those whose services would be in demand in the free market (teachers, librarians, secretaries, firemen, etc.) and those who perform no useful function but simply keep the governmental machinery running (lawmakers, tax collectors, bureaucratic record keepers and paper shufflers, executives in the military-industrial complex, the President and the Vice President, etc.).  The first kind would probably find only minor difficulties in adjusting to a free society.  A forest ranger in Yellowstone National Park might find his job almost unchanged, as the Park was taken over by a private corporation to be run for profit.  Those lawyers and judges whose minds were young and flexible enough to adjust to freedom instead of statutory law could sell their services to free enterprise arbitration agencies.  On the other hand, men who had spent their lives as tax collectors for the Internal Revenue Service or as Federal narcotics agents would find no &quot;demand&quot; for their services and would have to change careers in order to survive -- perhaps even to that of garbage collector or janitor (honorable work, for a change).  In a sense, this would be a partial penalty for having been willing to make a career of ruling over others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a government employee myself, I like this paragraph from chapter 15:</p>
<p>Government employees would have to find jobs in private enterprise if they wanted to work.  There are two major kinds of government employees &#8212; those whose services would be in demand in the free market (teachers, librarians, secretaries, firemen, etc.) and those who perform no useful function but simply keep the governmental machinery running (lawmakers, tax collectors, bureaucratic record keepers and paper shufflers, executives in the military-industrial complex, the President and the Vice President, etc.).  The first kind would probably find only minor difficulties in adjusting to a free society.  A forest ranger in Yellowstone National Park might find his job almost unchanged, as the Park was taken over by a private corporation to be run for profit.  Those lawyers and judges whose minds were young and flexible enough to adjust to freedom instead of statutory law could sell their services to free enterprise arbitration agencies.  On the other hand, men who had spent their lives as tax collectors for the Internal Revenue Service or as Federal narcotics agents would find no &#8220;demand&#8221; for their services and would have to change careers in order to survive &#8212; perhaps even to that of garbage collector or janitor (honorable work, for a change).  In a sense, this would be a partial penalty for having been willing to make a career of ruling over others.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Guillory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil Guillory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 04:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my favorite quotes, p. 37:

It has been said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. But such vigilance is a constant non-productive expenditure of energy, and it is grossly unreasonable to expect men to keep expending their energy non-productively out of &quot;unselfish idealism&quot;. There is no area of the free market which requires the constant vigilance of the entire population to keep it from going awry. We would all be shocked and indignant if we were admonished to give such attentions to, say, the dairy industry in order to have our milk delivered unsour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite quotes, p. 37:</p>
<p>It has been said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. But such vigilance is a constant non-productive expenditure of energy, and it is grossly unreasonable to expect men to keep expending their energy non-productively out of &#8220;unselfish idealism&#8221;. There is no area of the free market which requires the constant vigilance of the entire population to keep it from going awry. We would all be shocked and indignant if we were admonished to give such attentions to, say, the dairy industry in order to have our milk delivered unsour.</p>
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