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Source link: http://archive.mises.org/4913/new-orleans-to-return-stolen-guns/

New Orleans to return stolen guns

April 14, 2006 by

According to the SAF, the City of New Orleans will return the guns that were stolen by the police following Katrina. You would think that since they were *gasp* taken at gunpoint, that they would be nice and make the process as easy as possible. But no:

Gun owners will have to provide proof of ownership, which could include a bill of sale, a description of the firearm including brand and model and the serial number or a notarized affidavit that describes the firearm. Citizens claiming their firearms will need proper identification, such as a driver’s license. Before firearms are returned, New Orleans police will conduct a background check.

Notarized affidavit? Bill of sale? Background check? What if some have already moved out of town or no longer have a Louisiana ID? Then it will be even harder to get your property back. Thus, the victimization continues.

I’m pretty sure that when firearms were confiscated, the police didn’t issue a single receipt. Of course, the cops will claim that in times of emergency, there’s no time for any of that. Surrender your guns or face some good old Cajun brutality.

Maybe FEMA will start returning stolen generators soon, or cars, or our money. Or not.

{ 17 comments }

Dewaine April 14, 2006 at 8:01 pm

If the guns had been registered in the first place, and everyone’s name, social security number, and serial numbers were available in a database for enforcement officials, then it would have been easy to return the firearms.

What is really needed is registration of all property to facilitate confiscation and speedy returns. Due to the frequent need to ignore the Constitution, administrative aids such as voluminous databases of personal information should be made available to law enforcement so the Constituional offenses are also friendly and efficient.

– Dewaine

DLC April 15, 2006 at 2:44 am

How would your propose they hand back the property without proof of ownership?

I think this is a good move, the government is clearly attempting to respect property rights here.

Ryan Fuller April 15, 2006 at 2:54 am

If I were to loot a neighborhood then demand proof of ownership for everything before giving stuff back, would I be respecting property rights? I think not. On top of that, the background check is inexcusable.

Thomas J. Van Wyk April 15, 2006 at 8:15 am

Weren’t these guns… ahh… taken from peoples’ homes? In that case, what DLC is saying is moot – as far as I’m concerned, they could have taken time to take some damn notes in the process of looting. Proof of ownership is not the job of the victim.

And Dewaine, country-wide registration of all firearms in the US is a ridiculous proposal. The database would be irrelevant if the weapons had not been taken in the first place.

And I find it funny that I just saw “government”, “respect”, and “property rights” in the same sentence…

Thomas J. Van Wyk April 15, 2006 at 8:18 am

Sorry, one more thing. Isn’t it altogether possible that most people lost their proofs of purchase, “notarized affadavits,” and all that crap, along with all the rest of their possessions, because of flood damage?

Screwed either way.

Pete Canning April 15, 2006 at 9:10 am

Tom, I believe the first two posters were being sarcastic.

David C April 15, 2006 at 10:10 am

The real question is, when the economy collapses (sadly, it’s not “if” anymore but “when”) how are they going to react to the 100M gun owners in the USA? Perhaps Iraq is just a practice run for hometown USA.

What’s going to happen when the government can’t “do” something for the legions of welfare cronies like has happened for their whole lives?

If you ask me, New Orleans is not an anomily, but a practice run of what’s to come when the dollar collapses and takes the welfare state with it. We should be very worried.

Manuel Lora April 15, 2006 at 10:38 am

If you ask me, New Orleans is not an anomily, but a practice run of what’s to come when the dollar collapses and takes the welfare state with it. We should be very worried.

There has always been the idea that the masses will wake up. I’m not so sure about the “masses” but maybe a significant percentage. At any rate, it could happen when a) people realize that the government is not there to help them or b) that the government cannot help them at all. And yes, this could happen after a monetary failure, but not necessarily: In Peru, Alan García could very well be president again, after he and his gang made a disaster of the country in the late 80s. People keep voting, legitimizing, and supporting That Which Plunders them.

Ken April 15, 2006 at 10:40 am

you are focusing on small things, think about those real target – people holding illegal fire arm

TGGP April 15, 2006 at 5:20 pm

Asking for documentation seems reasonable, although seizing in the first place was not. If something of mine was taken by the government and then handed over to some other crook who claimed what’s mine was his, I’d be plenty ticked off.

Dewaine April 16, 2006 at 1:09 am

My first post was sarcastic. Unfortunately, it seems to be a true representation of the lines of thought pervading the current central government and much of the citizenry.
– Dewaine

Thomas J. Van Wyk April 16, 2006 at 1:14 am

Pete writes:

“Tom, I believe the first two posters were being sarcastic.”

I’d hope so. I see Dewaine confirms that. Guess I drew too quickly – but, in any event, this blog does have an uncanny ability to attract true so-called “antagonists.”

One never really knows who’s being serious or facetious here…

Dewaine April 16, 2006 at 1:18 am

I envision a website, such as “ownership.gov” in which all property must be registered with its rightful owner(s).

An accompanying slogan in a public service advertisement: “In case of a declared emergency your property – especially tools and firearms – may have to be confiscated for security reasons. Register your property now so it may be returned to you after the emergency is over. It has never been easier to secure what is yours. And, remember, it isn’t rightfully yours until you have registered at ownership.gov.”

– Dewaine

fancyleprachaun April 16, 2006 at 1:40 am

I guess these people weren’t of the “cold dead hands” variety.

Max Schwing April 16, 2006 at 1:59 am

Well, let me tell you something about WHAT the government will do, when it’s financial branch explodes.

First, they will start expanding government powers, they will collect gold and silver from private sources to bolster their finances. Then they will start inflating the dollar until you can’t get a bread for thousand dollars.
And after the dollar collapsed, they will start printing a new paper money, let’s say the double plus dollar and it will all continue as before. Well, not as before, since 160 million Americans will be A LOT poorer.
Ah, yes, and before they do that, they will start banning weapons from homes (which would have happened a while back, if the Democrats had their ways).

It’s not as if such a situation never happened, just look to Europe. I remember a time, when people had to buy a loaf of bread for small change: 1 million Reichsmark.

Manuel Lora April 16, 2006 at 8:40 am

Collecting gold and silver from private sources will barely make a dent. I don’t think there’s enough gold out there to pay for more than a small percentage of the government’s budget. Unless, of course, they also create a new money and establish some sort of fixed rate with gold, fix prices, control wages and other such nastiness.

I lived through a hyperinflationary period in Peru in the late 80s. I remember how at one point the highest bill was 500 soles. A few years later, there were bills for 5 million.

Francisco Torres April 16, 2006 at 12:01 pm

I envision a website, such as “ownership.gov” in which all property must be registered with its rightful owner(s).

Dewaine, please – don’t give them any ideas!
;-) :-D :-D

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