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January 22, 2006 by

Upgrade report: mises.org is now running on Microsoft .Net 2.0, SQL Server 2005 Express, and MySQL 5.0.


Gabriel Mihalache January 22, 2006 at 6:15 pm

…but I still get a horizontal scrooler on Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP at 1280×1024. (the search input is glued to the right side of the page and placed a few hundred pixels to the right from its placeholder).

That’s the only major bug that annoys me on Mises.org

Manuel Lora January 22, 2006 at 8:07 pm


jeffrey January 22, 2006 at 8:20 pm

I should add that this is not the full MS-SQL server license, so our current edition lacks many crucial tools. But (knock on wood) it does seem that the prospects of this coming to Mises.org grow brighter by the day.

Manuel Lora January 22, 2006 at 9:18 pm

Buy why MySQL also? I thought it was MS-SQL only.

Aaron Bilger January 22, 2006 at 9:35 pm

Excellent! Glad you have a sub-$5000 updates usable solution. After the previous thread I’m surprised by MySQL being in the mix too.

jeffrey January 22, 2006 at 10:26 pm

oh, mysql is for the forums and related software but it is not driving quadzillion connections behind contraptions like the study guide etc.. If you get a chance see how this works now.

fancyleprachaun January 23, 2006 at 12:17 am

MSSQL is a godforsaken query language someone at Microsoft believes compatible with some SQL spec somewhere.

Ya know PostgreSQL is free, and awesome.
You can run it on Linux which is free, and awesome.
You can combine it with PHP which is free, and awesome.
You can serve it all up with Apache which is free, and awesome.

This site is already free and awesome, it sounds like the right fit to me.

tz January 23, 2006 at 10:14 am

My condolances. Perhaps mises.org will one day be free. Microsoft upgrades are to systems what Regime Libertarians are to freedom. Leave the Dept. of Education, but let it run vouchers. Leave the EPA but lets have tradeable pollution permits. Leave the welfare agencies and IRS but put a negative income tax.

Leave Microsoft but upgrade to Sousaphone and their “fixed version” and trusted computing, and pay them a big fee for either the upgrades or service contracts, because they work better or are less abusive than the old versions (and besides, they dropped support so the old stuff doesn’t work with the new).

I fail to see the virtue of advocating the dissolution of government when you sell your soul to a corporatist bureaucracy which is run much like the government and manages to be in many ways above the law.

Libertarians who never choose liberty? And I’m accused of being impure in my views because I believe in minarchy. The free software alternative is a better choice than the one for a 3rd party v.s. the Democrats or Republicans, yet it isn’t taken. Why? Or to paraphrase the master: “if you are faithful in small things you will be faithful in big things”.

Switching to opensource would tell me more about your commitment to freedom than 10 books full of articles like “Speaking of Liberty”. But “Acting on Liberty” will never be a book.

When you compromise, you are compromised.

Or perhaps “Slavery as the rational market choice” should be the next article here. I expect to see it as soon as you get the refund that Microsoft promises in their EULA (“If you disagree with the terms, return the software to the place you bought it for a full refund”).

Curt Howland January 23, 2006 at 12:09 pm

Making a choice is not anti-liberty, it is the essence of liberty. What is the answer for one is not always an answer for another. As much as I believe that Microsoft deftly uses fraud (see their EULA, or search for “Peter Quinn”) when ever convenient, they cannot force anyone to use their product.

In two years, when MS tells you that, in order to “fix” something they broke, and to remain “compatible”, you have to upgrade to Vista and MSSQL2007 for another $5000, well… never mind.

Someone always steps forward and works their butts off to keep MS systems limping along. I admire their fortitude and work ethic. As someone who has been in the computer business since 1981, my advice is that these hard working people set up their own back-room Linux system and practice on them.

Luckily, Mises.org already has blog.mises.org to try things on, the success of which running on entirely “free” software, stands as an example for us all.

David J. Heinrich January 23, 2006 at 1:17 pm


The constant harping on the LvMI’s decision to stay with MS-SQL for their servers gets rather tiresome.

Whenever you make a choice, you are exercising your liberty; it’s as simple as that. Despite whatever restrictions MS’ software comes with, those at the LvMI exercise their liberty by choosing to use it.

Having talked with Jeff about this, the one of the reasons for why they aren’t switching to PostgreSQL is because of the sheer enormous transition costs of switching. The database for the Mises Media section is incredibly complex, and switching would be a huge hassle. The people at the LvMI feel that their time is better spent elsewhere. The dictatorial assertions of some Free Software fanatics do not bode too well for their assertions that it’s about “freedom”.

The claims about using MS software being the equivalent of entering into contractual slavery are absurd. Having tried for some time to use Linux as a personal desktop system, it just isn’t worth it to me. When I can’t get my sound, or graphics card, or printer to work — no matter how hard I try — it just isn’t worth it. Then there’s the problems with wireless. I use my computer as a tool, and I don’t have time to screw around all day trying to get stuff to work. Despite that, I keep Linux on my desktop because I haven’t found any program for the personal financial user that allows double-entry accounting and the flexibility of GnuCash.

Thant Tessman January 23, 2006 at 3:33 pm

David J. Heinrich:

“The claims about using MS software being the equivalent of entering into contractual slavery are absurd.”

Yet earlier in the same message:

“The database for the Mises Media section is incredibly complex, and switching would be a huge hassle.”

Yeah, the slavery rhetoric is a bit strong, but still, this was pretty funny.

David J. Heinrich January 23, 2006 at 6:20 pm


I don’t see any contradiction or tension betwee the two statements you quote.

Given any complex system, there are always going to be significant transition costs if you try to switch to another system. This is also true of FS/OSS systems. It is analagous to the free-market, where anyone has the freedom to enter any market, albeit using their own property/resources, and paying the fixed startup costs.

The LvMI could switch over to using GNU/Linux and MySQL tomorrow if they wanted. However, there would be enormous costs, transition problems, issues with website quality during the transition. Those in the LvMI with decision-making authority regarding this issue obviously do not think the benefits of doing this exceed the costs.

One would think that understanding this would be pretty obvious. The LvMI is an institution devoted to freedom (which includes the freedom to enter into contractual relations, some of which may impose restrictions). They have the best website on the web, with the best information and analysis, and the best presentation (take a look at the mess on CATO.org for a comparison of professionalism). This website is up 24-7, and almost never has any downtime, having survived Slashdottings.

Thus, simply considering the financial costs of switching — including the opportunity cost of the time spent by individuals dealing with the transition — only begins to approach the cost of transition. There’s also the cost to the LvMI’s institutional goal, which is to promote freedom. That can’t be done if the website is down due to transition difficulties.

jeffrey January 23, 2006 at 7:43 pm

One hestiates to jump into this thread but somehow I can’t resist (dumb, I know).

Would you believe that Mises.org has no full-time webmaster? All of us do other things and do our best to avoid being drawn into the technical end in the way that David H. describes in trying to open-source his end-user life. As for the transition, David is right that it is unthinkable. Given enough time, I might be able to transition from my 1995 Honda that I drive every day into a car that I build with my own hands in my garage–I could read manuals at the public library, collect parts here and there, and probably put together a neat little machine for very little out-of-pocket expese–but then there is also the problem of what i would drive in the meantime, the costs of maintaining and insuring it, and on and on.

In the end, it is really hard to see the point to the exercise. It seems like a better solution overall to just make peace and trade with Honda.

The blog runs Linux, yes, and it is fabulous. MT is also a great blog program, and it costs money. So does our blog master who spends several hours per week fine tuning the many anti-spam programs (we get hit about every 15 seconds on average) and otherwise updating plugins and more.

It just doesn’t seem like there is such a thing as free software!

Curt Doolittle January 23, 2006 at 9:44 pm

If you want a fully licensed copy of SQL server, I’m fairly sure I can get it from MSFT. Not even difficult.

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