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	<title>Comments on: The DOJ versus e-mail</title>
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		<title>By: Artisan</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/3611/the-doj-versus-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-18209</link>
		<dc:creator>Artisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 06:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not so long ago, in 2003, Frank Quattrone, top trader at CSFB went to jail(!) under similar circumstances. 
I believe what convinced the Jury the most about him being guilty, was to hear how much money he was making (can&#039;t remember, was it 20 or 200 millions a year?).
You have to remember the Tom Wolfe story, written 20 years ago, or at least see the movie adaptation, &quot;Bonfire of Vanity&quot;... 
Life copies Art.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so long ago, in 2003, Frank Quattrone, top trader at CSFB went to jail(!) under similar circumstances.<br />
I believe what convinced the Jury the most about him being guilty, was to hear how much money he was making (can&#8217;t remember, was it 20 or 200 millions a year?).<br />
You have to remember the Tom Wolfe story, written 20 years ago, or at least see the movie adaptation, &#8220;Bonfire of Vanity&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Life copies Art.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/3611/the-doj-versus-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-18055</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 18:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Note that the judgment was not directly because of the failure to produce email, it was for the fraud.&quot;
Only no fraud was ever proven â€“ the judge simply assumed that Morgan Stanley was guilty because it could not produce the records he demanded.  

&quot;it isn&#039;t different in kind to keeping a receipt&#039;
Email records are very different from financial transactions.  For one, there are billions of emails sent by businesses every single day.  Individual emails are not categorized or stored in a central location, so keeping a record of emails requires a huge archive and categorization of every single email by the relevant categories.  This is possible, but it&#039;s very costly and not fool-proof.  Can you find an email from five years ago in your email?  Can everyone else in your organization?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Note that the judgment was not directly because of the failure to produce email, it was for the fraud.&#8221;<br />
Only no fraud was ever proven â€“ the judge simply assumed that Morgan Stanley was guilty because it could not produce the records he demanded.  </p>
<p>&#8220;it isn&#8217;t different in kind to keeping a receipt&#8217;<br />
Email records are very different from financial transactions.  For one, there are billions of emails sent by businesses every single day.  Individual emails are not categorized or stored in a central location, so keeping a record of emails requires a huge archive and categorization of every single email by the relevant categories.  This is possible, but it&#8217;s very costly and not fool-proof.  Can you find an email from five years ago in your email?  Can everyone else in your organization?</p>
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		<title>By: tz</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/3611/the-doj-versus-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-18042</link>
		<dc:creator>tz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that the judgment was not directly because of the failure to produce email, it was for the fraud.

If any court (even under a libertarian system) tells you to produce evidence, and you don&#039;t, it can be construed that there was something incriminating.

While the requirement might be excessive (there are archival services), it isn&#039;t different in kind to keeping a receipt in order to return a defective item to a store or something else that proves a transaction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the judgment was not directly because of the failure to produce email, it was for the fraud.</p>
<p>If any court (even under a libertarian system) tells you to produce evidence, and you don&#8217;t, it can be construed that there was something incriminating.</p>
<p>While the requirement might be excessive (there are archival services), it isn&#8217;t different in kind to keeping a receipt in order to return a defective item to a store or something else that proves a transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip Oliva</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/3611/the-doj-versus-e-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-17972</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip Oliva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 15:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a recent Federal Trade Commission &quot;administrative&quot; case, staff lawyers sought judgment without trial because of alleged &quot;document destruction&quot; by the defendant company, which in fact was nothing more than a routine execution of the firm&#039;s document retention policy. The FTC staff&#039;s argument was that the unretained e-mailes might have proven the government&#039;s case, but since we&#039;ll never know, the only proper course of action was to declare the company guilty. Thankfully the administrative judge disagreed with this approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a recent Federal Trade Commission &#8220;administrative&#8221; case, staff lawyers sought judgment without trial because of alleged &#8220;document destruction&#8221; by the defendant company, which in fact was nothing more than a routine execution of the firm&#8217;s document retention policy. The FTC staff&#8217;s argument was that the unretained e-mailes might have proven the government&#8217;s case, but since we&#8217;ll never know, the only proper course of action was to declare the company guilty. Thankfully the administrative judge disagreed with this approach.</p>
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