So, the gov’t of Norway thinks women are worth 2/3 of a man (40%/60%). Why the inequality – why not a 50-50 split?

Danny Taggart wrote: “So, the gov’t of Norway thinks women are worth 2/3 of a man (40%/60%). Why the inequality – why not a 50-50 split?”

I do not support ideas like this at all, but as you most likely understand that is not the point at all. The goal is not to have a 50/50 representation at all times, but to be somewhat close to it. A situation with 40% women OR men is considered equal enough.

Of course, this idea will not do any good, but I do like to keep the discussion focused on the right questions. Comments like yours doesn’t help.

[sarcasm]Obviously, businesses are not in business to provide desired goods and services, but to provide jobs and help socio-engineer the politically correct society.[/sarcasm]
VanMind’s right in one way-board member composition is a reflection of society, good or bad. Laws like these are impotently attacking a symptom of societal views, and can do nothing about the cause.

It’s amazing to think the Vikings, who were the baddest, and in my opinion the awesomest, bunch going so many years ago have decendents who embrace this hyper-egalitarianism that will bring them nothing but stagnation. (Note: I don’t endorse rape and pillage but longboats and mead are damn cool.) I have no pity for the Scandi-statists who will reap the results of their stupidity. The Nordic “peoples states” are in for a world of hurt (you’d know that better than anyone, eh Danny T.? BTW- right on about the 50/50 split.)

-Paul

Heh, there are liberals every where in the world Rolf

NameedForRep.Ron

I have for many years very much enjoyed the work of one of your great American poets, Philip Levine who I can imagine you yourself have also read. A timeless poem. “They Feed They Lion”
Enjoy:)

They Feed They Lion

Out of burlap sacks, out of bearing butter,
Out of black bean and wet slate bread,
Out of the acids of rage, the candor of tar,
Out of creosote, gasoline, drive shafts, wooden dollies,
They Lion grow.
Out of the gray hills
Of industrial barns, out of rain, out of bus ride,
West Virgina to Kiss My Ass, out of buried aunties,
Mothers hardening like pounded stumps, out of stumps,
They Lion grow.
Earth is eating trees, fence posts,
Gutted cars, earth is calling in her little ones,
“Come home, Come home!” From pig balls,
From the ferosity of pig driven to holiness,
From the furred ear and the full jowl come
The repose of the hung belly, from the purpose
They Lion grow.
From the sweet glues of the trotters
Come the sweet kinks of the fist, from the full flower
Of the hams the thorax of caves,
From “Bow Down” come “Rise Up,”
Come they Lion from the reeds of shovels,
The grained arm that pulls the hands,
They Lion grow.
From all my white sins forgiven, they feed,
From my car passing under the stars,
They Lion, from my children inherit,
From the oak turned to a wall they Lion,
‘From they sack and they belly opened
And all that was hidden burning on the oil-stained earth
They feed they lion and he comes.

By Philip Levine From C.A.P 1990

Francisco Torres

Your points are well put forth and such may be the case. The problems have been well researched in Norway.
The structures in Norway and its culture is much better understood by Norweigns themselves than outsiders. It is a country with a 1000 year old history, a population of 4.4 million people who know their own needs much better than outsiders.
Some Americans need to learn to stop interfering in other countries affairs. Some Americans have gotten themselves into messes time after time after time because they do not have a clue about any other cultures than their own. Some Americans are culture blind and the tragedy of it can be see every where in the world.

There is an old chinese proverb which states: Put your own house in order before you talk about the order of your neighbors house.

Why is it so difficult for some Americans to learn that?

As for Vanmind, the arrogance clearly came through in the post.The post was an insult to women in general. It is not necessary to insult whole groups of people. All human beings are at different levels of human development, no two having the same competance level in any area.

Fairness is an ongoing consideration throughout the Norweign society. It is about power sharing.

And for far to long through out the world women have not had their rightfull well deserved place.
The brutes have dominated everywhere and then tried to convince everyone only they were competent. There would be far less kaos and wars in the world if it was women who dominated for I very much doubt that they would be so willing to send their daughters to war to murder other womens daughters.

Mr. Iceberg

You need to finish high school.

I demand 1 place in each board be reserved for a homosexual, another for someone with red hair, and a randomly selected one in every 10 boards be required to include either a dwarf or someone who suffers from gigantism.

Paul D

I had thought you were above insults paul d.

America isn’t “my house” any more than Norway is yours, you nationalist pig.

I’ll remember your phrase next time I see someone being raped, “better put my own house in order first, garden looks a bit dishevelled, can’t say anything bout rapist till I am perfect myself”

Get a grip.

Rolf wrote:
“The problems have been well researched in Norway.
The structures in Norway and its culture is much better understood by Norweigns themselves than outsiders. It is a country with a 1000 year old history, a population of 4.4 million people who know their own needs much better than outsiders.”

Your comment begs the question: If the 4.4 million Norwegians know their own needs, why would they need to have “their needs” forced upon them my government mandate? Wouldn’t the individual Norwegians WHO SUPPOSEDLY KNOW BETTER, come up with the 40%+ proportion of female board members by themselves, without coercion?

Rolf wrote:
“Some Americans need to learn to stop interfering in other countries affairs. Some Americans have gotten themselves into messes time after time after time because they do not have a clue about any other cultures than their own. Some Americans are culture blind and the tragedy of it can be see every where in the world.”

What does this have to do with the issue? I do not understand the purpose for your rant.

Rolf wrote:
“There is an old chinese proverb which states: Put your own house in order before you talk about the order of your neighbors house.”

The article was posted by Stefan Karlsson, who if memory serves is a Scandinavian, not an American. BTW I’m not an American either, but Mexican.

Rolf wrote:
“As for Vanmind, the arrogance clearly came through in the post.The post was an insult to women in general.”

Oh, give me a break! You speak for all women in the world now?

Rolf wrote:
“It is not necessary to insult whole groups of
people.”

He didn’t. Read the post again.

Rolf wrote:
“All human beings are at different levels of human development, no two having the same competance level in any area.”

Obviously, but the Norwegian government does not see this. They want their 40% and, by gosh!, they should have it, no matter the differences in competence levels.

Rolf wrote:
“Fairness is an ongoing consideration throughout the Norweig[a]n society. It is about power sharing.”

That may be so (I serioulsy doubt it), but the government is the one wielding the REAL power, and they are NOT sharing it – just imposing their will on corporations. Next, it will be the individual, and then all Norwegians will be happily collectiverized.

Rolf wrote:
” And for far to long through out the world women have not had their rightfull well deserved place.
The brutes have dominated everywhere and then tried to convince everyone only they were competent. There would be far less kaos and wars in the world if it was women who dominated for I very much doubt that they would be so willing to send their daughters to war to murder other womens daughters.”

Ha ha ha! Considering all the women despots that have been there in history, I seriously doubt things would be THAT different. You are being naïve to the point of pitifulness.

Perrosuelto wrote:
“Rolf is absolutely wright. For one, the big nationalist pigs are the americans in general, just see there stupids comments from degenerate people, hoping in an ideal world that NOT EXIST ever under their own empire.”

Se escribe “right”, Perrosuelto, no “wright”. Aprende a escribir de una vez por todas.

And what is with the insult? What degenerate comments are you talking about? The people who write these posts are convinced that freedom and liberty are the answer, and you call them “nationalist pigs”? Have you read mises.org, or are you set into some weird mission to insult American bloggers?

The reason liberty and freedom are not the norm in the USA is due to socialist ideas permeating the government, just like those permeating the Norwegian government.

Perrosuelto wrote:
“Some comments, like despreciate culture, other countries etc. are symptoms of frustrated people that just heard some “egalitarism”-like-behavior, become fould and paranoic.”

They are just commenting on it, Perrosuelto. No need to get exited about it. Also, with your poor grammar you are giving us Latino Americanos a bad rap. Egalitarianism is nothing more than saying: guys who are better than me should be made stupid by government mandate. It is the crab in the bucket mentality, the kind that keeps us Mexicans in the gutter.

Perrosuelto wrote:
“Norvey has all my respect, as any other tradition different to idiot conformism that a society MUST be a pulverized of aggregates individuals.”

Se escribe “Norway”, perrosuelto. Y en español se escribe “Noruega”, para que no pienses que no hablo español.

Societies ARE pulverized aggregates of individuals, Perrosuelto. Each person has a different need, a different view, a different spouse, a different type of dog or cat… You name it. Colectivization has been tried, millions have died due to it, and you want more of it???

One last comment to you Francisco Torres:

You do not live in the Norwegian society, know its history and traditions or speak its language.
You do not know what you are talking about Francisco Torres.

Ta Ta
From Rolf

Francisco, a part the ridicolous remarks on the errors in typing, you are a fanatic person: seems to me that you are a mariachi that want to play ALONE instead with a group of 4/5 companeros BECAUSE you have you own spouse or cat. The ranting chorus of mainly people on this argument is not to recognize that one country may chose what he want to do with their life (even voting leaders that impose this kind of thing) To insult foreign behavior on this matter is typically american (look in Sweden are doing like the same) What you want? UNIFORMIZE ALL THE WORLD? How many you are payed to do so? If it’s big money I join immediately myself to some secretive Institutes or Cultural agencies. Say me HOW MUCH, chico! And you look instead into your country, the aberrant Mexico with the caste at the power “Institutional Revolutionary”, the most criminal place in the world, cocksuckers of all it’s USA, beast with bigotes, prostitution, drugs, murderers (first, serach for women in Ciudad Juarez = their wictims female never may enter a administration board) You have to shame to blow up empty propaganda to the world when, a part your chef and some few dozens of squallid exploiters, you spoke from one of the more miserable place in the world. You really think that on obtuse a priori thinking about economy, that is contrasted even by neocons in USA, touch something else that a few poor of sense? When Rolf say put order in you house before, just it’s your case. Don’t put you leg inside other way of think and behave, in other place say Nordic Countries or elsewhere. Otherwise is really stupid, as Lew Rockwell did, attak to war in Iraq. NO ONE WAY THINKING. I don’t discuss your feeling. Don’t want to pay taxes: go to Bahamas, in close to you. What matter you a bigoted mexican with cold Norway?

Perrosuelto wrote:
“Francisco, a part the ridicolous remarks on the errors in typing, you are a fanatic person: seems to me that you are a mariachi that want to play ALONE instead with a group of 4/5 companeros BECAUSE you have you own spouse or cat.”

Well, I am not a mariachi (I don’t have a tololoche), but if you mean I do not play in a team, well that depends on what you call teamwork. I do not consider having my rights or my money taken at the point of a government threat, as “teamwork”. I am sure all those poor souls that died in the gulags were accused of not playing with the team, either.

Perrosuelto:
“The ranting chorus of mainly people on this argument is not to recognize that one country may chose what he want to do with their life (even voting leaders that impose this kind of thing)”

The problem is that you misunderstand the issue completely, Perrosuelto. If people in Norway really wanted such policy in place, they would have done that by themselves a long time ago instead of having the government impose a quota from above. Even if 51% of the people wanted a 40% women quota on company boardrooms does not make it more ethical than if a despot had imposed the same by him-(or her-)self. There is such a thing as the tyranny of the majority – remember Kristallnacht, 1938.

Perrosuelto:
“What you want? UNIFORMIZE ALL THE WORLD? How many you are payed to do so? If it’s big money I join immediately myself to some secretive Institutes or Cultural agencies. Say me HOW MUCH, chico!”

Uniformization of humans is the staple of socialism and communism, Perrosuelto. I would not wish that even on my best enemy. I think you have your ideas cross-eyed.

Perrosuelto:
“And you look instead into your country, the aberrant Mexico with the caste at the power “Institutional Revolutionary”, the most criminal place in the world, cocksuckers of all it’s USA, beast with bigotes, prostitution, drugs, murderers (first, serach for women in Ciudad Juarez = their wictims female never may enter a administration board). You have to shame to blow up empty propaganda to the world when, a part your chef and some few dozens of squallid exploiters, you spoke from one of the more miserable place in the world.”

The Institutional Revolutionary Party was ousted in 2000 by popular vote, Perrosuelto. It bolsters not your case to say all those mean things about my country, considering many ills are the result of government intervention, not because we are a particularly liberal country.

I never thought we were the “CKSKRS” of the USA, especially since we did not support America on its decision to attack Iraq… As for the most miserable place in the world, I think you are exaggerating just a bit.

Perrosuelto:
“Don’t want to pay taxes: go to Bahamas, in close to you. What matter you a bigoted mexican with cold Norway?”

I prefer to stay in my country and fight for my rights. The last statement I do not understand.

Norway, following in Sweden’s footsteps, is imposing a newfangled quota system on companies’ boards of directors selections.

When libertarians, who believe in freedom and in the inviolability of property rights, find that deplorable, one person writes in to complain that that’s an attack on Norwegian “culture.” Another similarly complains it’s an attack on Norwegian “tradition.”

Both writers have it exactly backward. It’s the Norwegian government that’s seeking to make Norwegian culture something different from what it is and has been — by forcing a new way of selecting company board members.

It’s the State attacking the culture and casting off tradition. Why, I wonder, do so many in the world confuse the State with things like culture and tradition — or freedom or patriotism — when most States work overtime to undermine, if not destroy, those very things.

That’s the rhetoric of the State at work: Convince the people that all good things are the handiwork of the State.

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