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	<title>Comments on: Research shows that under certain market conditions, price cartels arise naturally without collusion</title>
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		<title>By: Horst Muhlmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horst Muhlmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to worry. Here&#039;s the Ron Paul version:

http://whereisbarney.com/tabloid_nuke_tour/cheap_gas_1.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to worry. Here&#8217;s the Ron Paul version:</p>
<p><a href="http://whereisbarney.com/tabloid_nuke_tour/cheap_gas_1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://whereisbarney.com/tabloid_nuke_tour/cheap_gas_1.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that so long as freedom holds out long enough somewhere in the world, the rest of the truths like this one will be revealed and brought to the mainstream through careful thought and research.  The question then becomes if we can hold on long enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that so long as freedom holds out long enough somewhere in the world, the rest of the truths like this one will be revealed and brought to the mainstream through careful thought and research.  The question then becomes if we can hold on long enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d take this study with a huge grain of salt.  They are using what is known as &quot;agent-based modeling&quot; (ABM).  I took a graduate course on this last semester, and have formed a very negative view of the technique.  You can create an ABM to show anything you want to show.  I could create an ABM that shows raising taxes to 100% leads to utopia, or to disaster, whichever I want.  The idea behind ABM is to try and explain how complex behavior forms by attempting to generate that complex behavior in a system.  This type of logic is terribly flawed though, as there are many ways to generate a certain behavior (infinite, in fact), and finding one ABM that seems to generate the same set of data does not mean you have learned anything about why or how that set of data was generated in real world.  

Of course, ABMs give politicians cover to do what they already want to do, so I think you&#039;ll see ABMs used more and more as &quot;evidence&quot; to pass this bill or that.  And when an ABM comes along claiming to show something that makes sense to you, be careful!  Don&#039;t fall into the trap of using that as evidence to support your world view.  It is using fabricated evidence and no good scientist should ever rely upon that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d take this study with a huge grain of salt.  They are using what is known as &#8220;agent-based modeling&#8221; (ABM).  I took a graduate course on this last semester, and have formed a very negative view of the technique.  You can create an ABM to show anything you want to show.  I could create an ABM that shows raising taxes to 100% leads to utopia, or to disaster, whichever I want.  The idea behind ABM is to try and explain how complex behavior forms by attempting to generate that complex behavior in a system.  This type of logic is terribly flawed though, as there are many ways to generate a certain behavior (infinite, in fact), and finding one ABM that seems to generate the same set of data does not mean you have learned anything about why or how that set of data was generated in real world.  </p>
<p>Of course, ABMs give politicians cover to do what they already want to do, so I think you&#8217;ll see ABMs used more and more as &#8220;evidence&#8221; to pass this bill or that.  And when an ABM comes along claiming to show something that makes sense to you, be careful!  Don&#8217;t fall into the trap of using that as evidence to support your world view.  It is using fabricated evidence and no good scientist should ever rely upon that.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Time to make another prediction. We will see gas prices in the $4.50 - $5 a gallon range this summer. No doubt, the usual idiots in Congress will be crying price gouging and looking to try and impose windfall profits taxes on the oil companies.
Question: If a cartel is already in place why don&#039;t they increase prices now? Why wait until prices hit $5.  Why are they doing us a favor? Why don&#039;t they add another $1 or $2 markup? These days it is very easy to check on the internet or my iPhone where the cheapest gas station is. However, I usually end up filling up across the street at the Shell Station and paying 4 cents more because I do not want to drive 5 miles then wait 10 minutes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to make another prediction. We will see gas prices in the $4.50 &#8211; $5 a gallon range this summer. No doubt, the usual idiots in Congress will be crying price gouging and looking to try and impose windfall profits taxes on the oil companies.<br />
Question: If a cartel is already in place why don&#8217;t they increase prices now? Why wait until prices hit $5.  Why are they doing us a favor? Why don&#8217;t they add another $1 or $2 markup? These days it is very easy to check on the internet or my iPhone where the cheapest gas station is. However, I usually end up filling up across the street at the Shell Station and paying 4 cents more because I do not want to drive 5 miles then wait 10 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The prices of everything generally settles within a certain percentage in a given area, unless one seller&#039;s goods or service are generally perceived as better by most consumers.

From supermarket to supermarket, unless a sale is going on, wonderbread will be priced pretty much at the same level.  If you buy it at a convenience store, you pay a bit more for the &#039;convenience&#039;.

Does this imply that there is a whitebread cartel?  Perhaps the most evil, yet bland, cartel in the world?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prices of everything generally settles within a certain percentage in a given area, unless one seller&#8217;s goods or service are generally perceived as better by most consumers.</p>
<p>From supermarket to supermarket, unless a sale is going on, wonderbread will be priced pretty much at the same level.  If you buy it at a convenience store, you pay a bit more for the &#8216;convenience&#8217;.</p>
<p>Does this imply that there is a whitebread cartel?  Perhaps the most evil, yet bland, cartel in the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Mushindo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mushindo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duh. In a competitive context with many suppliers of similar products, , and after correcting for product differentiation ( quality, brand et al.....),   market prices will naturally converge without any conscious attempts at collusion....  why this would be seen as a bad thing by anyone  is beyond me.    the convergence will invariably settle where price and volume sold is optimal for th edemand profile of the market.   there is no way to improve on that in either direction  without  making both producers and consumers worse off.   It its cheaper, some consumers wont be able to buy it due to short supply, and if its more expensive, fewer potential buyers will buy and producers will sell fewer than they can supply. 

Of course, the price convergence thus emerging will only  remain until until some entrepreneur comes up with a better or more cost-effective mousetrap.  then all the existing suppliers must either adapt to th enew technology, or get out of th ebusiness and make something else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh. In a competitive context with many suppliers of similar products, , and after correcting for product differentiation ( quality, brand et al&#8230;..),   market prices will naturally converge without any conscious attempts at collusion&#8230;.  why this would be seen as a bad thing by anyone  is beyond me.    the convergence will invariably settle where price and volume sold is optimal for th edemand profile of the market.   there is no way to improve on that in either direction  without  making both producers and consumers worse off.   It its cheaper, some consumers wont be able to buy it due to short supply, and if its more expensive, fewer potential buyers will buy and producers will sell fewer than they can supply. </p>
<p>Of course, the price convergence thus emerging will only  remain until until some entrepreneur comes up with a better or more cost-effective mousetrap.  then all the existing suppliers must either adapt to th enew technology, or get out of th ebusiness and make something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like the picture of the gas prices - its from July 2013 and Obama got re-elected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the picture of the gas prices &#8211; its from July 2013 and Obama got re-elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin OB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin OB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, I predict that the &quot;market failure&quot; guys will propose legislation prohibiting big business owners from being too diligent in looking at each other&#039;s pricing. Or making it compulsory for every company to publish their pricing on some official website, where potential customers can look it up from their smartphones.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I predict that the &#8220;market failure&#8221; guys will propose legislation prohibiting big business owners from being too diligent in looking at each other&#8217;s pricing. Or making it compulsory for every company to publish their pricing on some official website, where potential customers can look it up from their smartphones.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin OB</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/20628/research-shows-under-certain-market-conditions-cartels-arise-naturally-without-collusion/comment-page-1/#comment-818328</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin OB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently, the study basically says that if sellers are looking at each other much faster than buyers look at them, then they will be able to agree on a price, and thereby behave in practice as one big seller, without having to secretly talk to each other. It works like this: If one seller sets a lower price to win buyers, the others quickly imitate it, so it gets no benefits from that. On the other hand, if one seller sets a higher price to earn more profit from each sale, the others also raise their prices before the buyers realize. In other words, they don&#039;t have to send secret signals when they can signal in the open for free. Did we need a computer simulation for this? I&#039;m tempted to call it junk science.

 Yes, in this scenario they can raise the price for ever, or up to a point when buyers are no longer willing to pay more, or in any case as high as a single seller could. Monopoly! Of course, in practice every company has a monopoly on its products, but there are always substitutes. Apple has a monopoly on iPads, but people can buy cheaper Android tablets. Nothing new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, the study basically says that if sellers are looking at each other much faster than buyers look at them, then they will be able to agree on a price, and thereby behave in practice as one big seller, without having to secretly talk to each other. It works like this: If one seller sets a lower price to win buyers, the others quickly imitate it, so it gets no benefits from that. On the other hand, if one seller sets a higher price to earn more profit from each sale, the others also raise their prices before the buyers realize. In other words, they don&#8217;t have to send secret signals when they can signal in the open for free. Did we need a computer simulation for this? I&#8217;m tempted to call it junk science.</p>
<p> Yes, in this scenario they can raise the price for ever, or up to a point when buyers are no longer willing to pay more, or in any case as high as a single seller could. Monopoly! Of course, in practice every company has a monopoly on its products, but there are always substitutes. Apple has a monopoly on iPads, but people can buy cheaper Android tablets. Nothing new.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Koerber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Koerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One aspect of bad economics is seeing things only in the short run. A &#039;study&#039; that examines the ever-present disequilibrium will always find evidence of disequilibrium but only fools think that equilibrium can and should be attained by intervention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One aspect of bad economics is seeing things only in the short run. A &#8216;study&#8217; that examines the ever-present disequilibrium will always find evidence of disequilibrium but only fools think that equilibrium can and should be attained by intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudd-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudd-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love how they repurpose the word &quot;cartel&quot; to mean something that is *outside* the definition of cartel (no collusion, no cartel).

Propaganda at its finest!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how they repurpose the word &#8220;cartel&#8221; to mean something that is *outside* the definition of cartel (no collusion, no cartel).</p>
<p>Propaganda at its finest!</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like Israel said, &quot;bad&quot; result is 100% your opinion.

&quot;Negative&quot; outcomes for whom? I don&#039;t even agree with the researchers&#039; characterisation of this as a &quot;cartel&quot; when there is no specific intent to collude. It is simply a market outcome. I like how they think regulation is in order. No, it isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Israel said, &#8220;bad&#8221; result is 100% your opinion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Negative&#8221; outcomes for whom? I don&#8217;t even agree with the researchers&#8217; characterisation of this as a &#8220;cartel&#8221; when there is no specific intent to collude. It is simply a market outcome. I like how they think regulation is in order. No, it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel Curtis</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/20628/research-shows-under-certain-market-conditions-cartels-arise-naturally-without-collusion/comment-page-1/#comment-817733</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Julien</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/20628/research-shows-under-certain-market-conditions-cartels-arise-naturally-without-collusion/comment-page-1/#comment-817705</link>
		<dc:creator>Julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the link to the TR article (the one above only points to an image): http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27512/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to the TR article (the one above only points to an image): <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27512/" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27512/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Caten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Caten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 06:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of a quote that goes something like this:

If you set your price higher than anyone else, you&#039;re price gouging;
If you set your price lower than everyone else, you&#039;re predatory pricing;
If you set your price the same as everyone else, you&#039;re colluding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a quote that goes something like this:</p>
<p>If you set your price higher than anyone else, you&#8217;re price gouging;<br />
If you set your price lower than everyone else, you&#8217;re predatory pricing;<br />
If you set your price the same as everyone else, you&#8217;re colluding.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel Curtis</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/20628/research-shows-under-certain-market-conditions-cartels-arise-naturally-without-collusion/comment-page-1/#comment-817494</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, your characterization of prices rising as a &quot;bad result&quot; or even &quot;clear negative outcome&quot; is entirely subjective. Obviously buyers would prefer prices to be lower, but such sentiments when combined with state power lead to price controls, which entirely ignore the other half of every economic calculation: the seller. What is &quot;good&quot; for one party or &quot;bad&quot; for another is for them alone to decide. This is precisely what prices are great at: communicating the preferences of both parties.

Second (and most pertinent to this study) is the issue of blaming price increases on nefarious collusion amongst sellers. It is widely believed among supporters of anti-trust regulation that without the &quot;wise hand&quot; of government forcibly preventing collusion (or even the appearance of it), such conspiracy would always happen - and price increases in certain industries (like fuel in this example) are often blamed on rich sellers colluding to &quot;artificially&quot; fix prices.

The assumption is that such price increases simply wouldn&#039;t happen if regulators could stamp out all collusion, thus justifying the ever-growing reach of regulatory intrusion in the marketplace (like past attempts to prohibit alcohol consumption).

What this research demonstrates is that the fluctuations often solely attributed to cartel-pricing-schemes can actually have completely organic sources - in other words, none of the agents in the marketplace have to act nefariously in order for such price increases to occur. They are a natural result of the cumulative actions of millions of agents all reacting to each other.

I already believe that the free exchanges of individuals should never be interfered with. I never believed that price increases (inconvenient for some, beneficial for others) were ever cause for intervention. Yet those who favor such action have always claimed that without intervention we would all be drowning in criminal price collusion.

This research demonstrates that even in a model where all collusion has been eliminated, severe price fluctuations can still occur. Thus ascribing such market behavior to &quot;immoral&quot; or &quot;evil&quot; intentions (as a justification for laws against such market behavior) is nothing more than speculation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, your characterization of prices rising as a &#8220;bad result&#8221; or even &#8220;clear negative outcome&#8221; is entirely subjective. Obviously buyers would prefer prices to be lower, but such sentiments when combined with state power lead to price controls, which entirely ignore the other half of every economic calculation: the seller. What is &#8220;good&#8221; for one party or &#8220;bad&#8221; for another is for them alone to decide. This is precisely what prices are great at: communicating the preferences of both parties.</p>
<p>Second (and most pertinent to this study) is the issue of blaming price increases on nefarious collusion amongst sellers. It is widely believed among supporters of anti-trust regulation that without the &#8220;wise hand&#8221; of government forcibly preventing collusion (or even the appearance of it), such conspiracy would always happen &#8211; and price increases in certain industries (like fuel in this example) are often blamed on rich sellers colluding to &#8220;artificially&#8221; fix prices.</p>
<p>The assumption is that such price increases simply wouldn&#8217;t happen if regulators could stamp out all collusion, thus justifying the ever-growing reach of regulatory intrusion in the marketplace (like past attempts to prohibit alcohol consumption).</p>
<p>What this research demonstrates is that the fluctuations often solely attributed to cartel-pricing-schemes can actually have completely organic sources &#8211; in other words, none of the agents in the marketplace have to act nefariously in order for such price increases to occur. They are a natural result of the cumulative actions of millions of agents all reacting to each other.</p>
<p>I already believe that the free exchanges of individuals should never be interfered with. I never believed that price increases (inconvenient for some, beneficial for others) were ever cause for intervention. Yet those who favor such action have always claimed that without intervention we would all be drowning in criminal price collusion.</p>
<p>This research demonstrates that even in a model where all collusion has been eliminated, severe price fluctuations can still occur. Thus ascribing such market behavior to &#8220;immoral&#8221; or &#8220;evil&#8221; intentions (as a justification for laws against such market behavior) is nothing more than speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M.F. Catalán</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan M.F. Catalán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read the paper, but from the excerpt it seems as if they are confusing rising prices with the formation of monopoly (or cartel) prices -- it may be the photograph of gas prices which leads me to this conclusion.  Sellers may use each other as guides to decide in what direction they should move their prices, but this doesn&#039;t imply that what is occurring is cartel behavior.  What it suggests is that they are using price movements as signals to suggest in what direction they should go themselves -- they&#039;re using it as knowledge to base entrepreneurial decisions on.  So, if the supply of oil decreases and some sellers see themselves increasing prices as a result, other gasoline vendors will use this as signal to mark up their prices themselves.  But, ultimately, the rise in the price of gasoline wasn&#039;t caused by some psychological trend in the behavior of vendors, rather in the falling supply of gasoline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the paper, but from the excerpt it seems as if they are confusing rising prices with the formation of monopoly (or cartel) prices &#8212; it may be the photograph of gas prices which leads me to this conclusion.  Sellers may use each other as guides to decide in what direction they should move their prices, but this doesn&#8217;t imply that what is occurring is cartel behavior.  What it suggests is that they are using price movements as signals to suggest in what direction they should go themselves &#8212; they&#8217;re using it as knowledge to base entrepreneurial decisions on.  So, if the supply of oil decreases and some sellers see themselves increasing prices as a result, other gasoline vendors will use this as signal to mark up their prices themselves.  But, ultimately, the rise in the price of gasoline wasn&#8217;t caused by some psychological trend in the behavior of vendors, rather in the falling supply of gasoline.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Carmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory Carmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You seem to come to some weird conclusions.  Just because a bad result can occur in conditions previously thought to be safe doesn&#039;t mean that the things we know to cause the bad result are magically okay.  That&#039;s like saying that because people can get cancer without smoking cigarettes we should no longer avoid smoking cigarettes.  You see evidence that the free market can have clear negative outcomes as support for a belief that the free market should never be interfered with?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to come to some weird conclusions.  Just because a bad result can occur in conditions previously thought to be safe doesn&#8217;t mean that the things we know to cause the bad result are magically okay.  That&#8217;s like saying that because people can get cancer without smoking cigarettes we should no longer avoid smoking cigarettes.  You see evidence that the free market can have clear negative outcomes as support for a belief that the free market should never be interfered with?</p>
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