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England and Wales Will Soon Be Total Dumps

July 12, 2011 by

Private sewers are being nationalized.

{ 14 comments }

Sean July 12, 2011 at 2:03 pm

Well, I guess the citizens will end up with a truly s**ty service.

Richard July 12, 2011 at 2:39 pm

Thames Water is a private company so I’m not entirely sure whether this technically constitutes nationalisation. The “public sewers” belong to Thames Water so despite their name they’re not actually state owned. However the leaflet they put through my door admits that it will result in increased bills, although apparently this increase will protect me “against much larger one-off costs of cleaning blockages and making repairs”.

Jonathan M. F. Catalán July 12, 2011 at 3:06 pm

Well, monopolization is hardly better than nationalization.

nate-m July 12, 2011 at 3:23 pm

They are the same thing, really.

Juraj July 12, 2011 at 3:08 pm

It’s a government decision that private sewers are to be transferred to a set of private, public or quasi-public/private companies. Government is seizing it and handing over to companies – companies themselves cannot seize it. The aim is to further violate property rights – government appointed companies digging in one’s garden, further regulate, and further cartelize the utility sector. I presume that one would not be able to hire a company out of dozens or hundreds to fix their private sewer but will have to obey and rely on a single company that took over his sewer.

“Transfer of ownership of private sewers and lateral drains to a statutory body”

http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpapers/commons/lib/research/briefings/snsc-01514.pdf

Richard July 12, 2011 at 3:27 pm

Agreed that this is a result of government force, I was just being picky over terminology.

augusto July 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm

“The aim is to further violate property rights – government appointed companies digging in one’s garden”

Actually, if you take their leaflet seriously, no they aren’t going to be digging anyone’s garden – anything that is within your property remains your property.

What is being transfered here is private property that was already in public space.

(not that I agree with a single company being granted monopoly over these matters, just trying to get facts straight)

Juraj July 12, 2011 at 6:06 pm

Actually, if you take their leaflet seriously, no they aren’t going to be digging anyone’s garden – anything that is within your property remains your property.

Not so fast Mister! :)

http://www.thameswater.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/corp/hs.xsl/13963.htm

What is being transfered here is private property that was already in public space.

As you can see from the video(s) above, it’s not the case, certainly not in all cases. Also, the state claims that it owns “public” space, even though it did not homestead it, can it claim in the same manner to own all the space underneath the road, gutter etc. where someone put their own sewer pipe before the State did?

augusto July 12, 2011 at 7:30 pm

1) True, I overlooked the part where they talk about terraced properties, thanks;

2) Of course the state can make any claim it wants, if you have any questions, please talk to the man in uniform holding a gun over there; ;-)

Windows Hater July 12, 2011 at 3:29 pm

This means that the service will become more expensive, that there will be delays, sometime ruining the living of families while they wait for the sewage pipe to be repaired. This means additional fees to repair the land and landscaping.

There will be queues and sometimes property owners will not be able to sell their property on time because the sewage problem did not get fixed in time.

This means union problems as well etc.

Windows Hater July 12, 2011 at 3:31 pm

“England and Wales Will Soon Be Total Dumps”

With all due respect, Mr. Tucker, it is my personal belief and point of view that England and Wales have been total dumps for quite some time now.

Ever heard of the expression “Socialist Sit Hole” ?

Jack Roberts July 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm

new pipes, latest socialist scheme, brilliant.

K. Chris C. July 12, 2011 at 9:27 pm

Details, Details, Details

“The Government has estimated that the transfer could increase customers’ bills by between £3 and £14 per year. This small increase in your bill will protect you against the much larger one-off costs of clearing blockages and making repairs yourself.”
So we’re taking your property and then we’re going to charge you money for this “service?!”

“Yes, however the circumstances in which you can appeal are very narrow. Appeals against the transfer must be made to the water industry regulator, Ofwat.”
Sure you can get out of this, just send us some snailmail and goodluck with that!

“If you opt out, you will not be eligible for any discount for sewerage charges on your bill.”
If we do let you out, you won’t get a discount but then you won’t have to pay our fee. Where’s my calculator?!

“Property owners will still remain responsible for some sections of pipe.”
Remember that great benefit of us taking “responsibility” for upkeep and repairs–ha ha, we get to say what pipe is yours and what pipe is ours so you will still pay to fix and of course only be allowed to use our “approved” pipe fixer people/company.

Now that is some corrupt and holy sh!t!!!

feudalredux July 12, 2011 at 9:45 pm

“Have you got a 27B-6?”

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