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	<description>Proceeding Ever More Boldly Against Evil</description>
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		<title>By: Ned Netterville</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-792406</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Netterville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cash greases the wheels of the underground economy. Once a benjamin leaves the Treasury it is much harder for weasels and creeps to monitor than are plastic, paper or bit coins. If one accumulates more than needed to meet consumption requirements, benjamins can be converted to gold eagles to avoid theft by inflation. In the past ten years or so, that has been a pretty good investment and saving strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cash greases the wheels of the underground economy. Once a benjamin leaves the Treasury it is much harder for weasels and creeps to monitor than are plastic, paper or bit coins. If one accumulates more than needed to meet consumption requirements, benjamins can be converted to gold eagles to avoid theft by inflation. In the past ten years or so, that has been a pretty good investment and saving strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: J.K. Baltzersen</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-792207</link>
		<dc:creator>J.K. Baltzersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 21:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The place I normally go to fix my bike does not take plastic.

I love it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The place I normally go to fix my bike does not take plastic.</p>
<p>I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791708</link>
		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bitcoins :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitcoins <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Capn Mike</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791680</link>
		<dc:creator>Capn Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, well, if I liquidate my GLD in $500 - $1000 chunks, the $10 starts to look like an ATM fee.

As for the cap gains, well there&#039;s the rub. Oh, wait, didn&#039;t I mention my new Irish citizenship and the Cayman Islands account???  :)

N.B. IRS snoops - I&#039;m KIDDING!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, well, if I liquidate my GLD in $500 &#8211; $1000 chunks, the $10 starts to look like an ATM fee.</p>
<p>As for the cap gains, well there&#8217;s the rub. Oh, wait, didn&#8217;t I mention my new Irish citizenship and the Cayman Islands account???  <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>N.B. IRS snoops &#8211; I&#8217;m KIDDING!!</p>
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		<title>By: Capn Mike</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791678</link>
		<dc:creator>Capn Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, but I&#039;m gonna play the &quot;externalities&quot; card!  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, but I&#8217;m gonna play the &#8220;externalities&#8221; card!  <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James Dahlberg</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791673</link>
		<dc:creator>James Dahlberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but you have Cap Gains taxes, and the requirement to convert to USD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but you have Cap Gains taxes, and the requirement to convert to USD</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Butt</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791664</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Butt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; every time money moves from account in bank to an account in another, gold will have to move as well.&quot;

That&#039;s not true. Clearing houses and credit (to smooth out variations) can remove much of the physical movement of metal. If the net change is a small percentage of the total volume of transactions, then shipping costs won&#039;t play a large part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; every time money moves from account in bank to an account in another, gold will have to move as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not true. Clearing houses and credit (to smooth out variations) can remove much of the physical movement of metal. If the net change is a small percentage of the total volume of transactions, then shipping costs won&#8217;t play a large part.</p>
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		<title>By: Subhi Andrews</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791597</link>
		<dc:creator>Subhi Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 05:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May be not. However to be 100% backed by gold, every time money moves from account in bank to an account in another, gold will have to move as well. The only scenario where this will not be the case I can think of is when net transfers between banks is always zero. it will be even more difficult to handle the logistics of international transactions on credit card. Foreign exchange fees, I have found, to be lowest for credit card transactions.  What will get transfered when you do an electronic fund transfer under a gold standard?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be not. However to be 100% backed by gold, every time money moves from account in bank to an account in another, gold will have to move as well. The only scenario where this will not be the case I can think of is when net transfers between banks is always zero. it will be even more difficult to handle the logistics of international transactions on credit card. Foreign exchange fees, I have found, to be lowest for credit card transactions.  What will get transfered when you do an electronic fund transfer under a gold standard?</p>
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		<title>By: nate-m</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791590</link>
		<dc:creator>nate-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 03:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More or less.

Except every trade is going to cost you. 10 dollars per trade.  In addition to that you have to pay taxes on any gains.  

You&#039;d win if there was hyper inflation. But if too many people do it then the government will simply break the system. Make it illegal for private individuals to own gold or just screw it up somehow. I wonder how trustworthy giving money to &#039;SPD&#039; actually is.

It&#039;s a lovely idea though. Worth doing more research on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More or less.</p>
<p>Except every trade is going to cost you. 10 dollars per trade.  In addition to that you have to pay taxes on any gains.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;d win if there was hyper inflation. But if too many people do it then the government will simply break the system. Make it illegal for private individuals to own gold or just screw it up somehow. I wonder how trustworthy giving money to &#8216;SPD&#8217; actually is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lovely idea though. Worth doing more research on.</p>
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		<title>By: nate-m</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791588</link>
		<dc:creator>nate-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well then I mistook your statement then. 

In that light the answer to the second question....
&lt;blockquote&gt; Perhaps they would open up an entreprenurial opportunity for private cash?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. If they you try to make your own money then the government will throw you into a concrete cage or, failing that, kill you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then I mistook your statement then. </p>
<p>In that light the answer to the second question&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p> Perhaps they would open up an entreprenurial opportunity for private cash?</p></blockquote>
<p>No. If they you try to make your own money then the government will throw you into a concrete cage or, failing that, kill you.</p>
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		<title>By: Capn Mike</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791564</link>
		<dc:creator>Capn Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK,lets say I have an Etrade accnt. In that account I hold 1000 shares of GLD.

Ok, this accnt offers me a debit/credit card.

I go to the store, buy a frozen pizza and am charged $8.00. This is debited from my accnt. GLD is at $104.00. the next day, same thing but GLD is at $106.00. Debit is less in terms of GLD.

Have I not put myself on the gold standard? And cashless to boot????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,lets say I have an Etrade accnt. In that account I hold 1000 shares of GLD.</p>
<p>Ok, this accnt offers me a debit/credit card.</p>
<p>I go to the store, buy a frozen pizza and am charged $8.00. This is debited from my accnt. GLD is at $104.00. the next day, same thing but GLD is at $106.00. Debit is less in terms of GLD.</p>
<p>Have I not put myself on the gold standard? And cashless to boot????</p>
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		<title>By: HL</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791541</link>
		<dc:creator>HL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave Ramsey pushes cash, and I like using it.  When the cash is gone, the dancing stops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Ramsey pushes cash, and I like using it.  When the cash is gone, the dancing stops.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Clem</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791537</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael A. Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Looking through history it’s obvious that money started off being created by private activity. Governments had nothing to do with the creation of money. &lt;/i&gt;

Sure.  All I&#039;m saying is that in the rush to a cashless society, some private activity could slip through the cracks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Looking through history it’s obvious that money started off being created by private activity. Governments had nothing to do with the creation of money. </i></p>
<p>Sure.  All I&#8217;m saying is that in the rush to a cashless society, some private activity could slip through the cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: nate-m</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791534</link>
		<dc:creator>nate-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking through history it&#039;s obvious that money started off being created by private activity. Governments had nothing to do with the creation of money. 

Instead what happened was that governments took control of money and standardized it in order to (firstly) tax effectively and (secondly) to manipulate it. It was a common occurance, even with Gold currency, to devalue money.  

For example: When a New King was put in office they would require all the money in the land to be reforged into the likeliness of the new king. (or some other major event that allowed the excuse of creating new money). You gave the government 4 gold coins to be re-struck and you&#039;d get 4 gold coins back... however the gold coins you got back weighed slightly less then the ones you dropped off. :) The government kept the difference and used that to strike new coins.

Of course with abandoning of the gold standard in 1970&#039;s our government has given up all pretense of having a stable money supply. So now they can manipulate currency valuations to their hearts content with no practical restrictions on spending.

If the USA Government decided to stop threatening to kill anybody who wanted to make their own money then it would just go back to what it naturally would be: commodity money. Like Gold or Silver or maybe something else. Whatever the market is willing to accept. 

Maybe we reached enough level in accounting technology that we can track the relative values of various commodities without having to need a intermediate commodity to serve as a common medium of exchange for everything. I can imagine people on the stock market trading stocks directly for bonds or commodity futures or whatever based directly on relative value rather then Gold or some other solid currency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking through history it&#8217;s obvious that money started off being created by private activity. Governments had nothing to do with the creation of money. </p>
<p>Instead what happened was that governments took control of money and standardized it in order to (firstly) tax effectively and (secondly) to manipulate it. It was a common occurance, even with Gold currency, to devalue money.  </p>
<p>For example: When a New King was put in office they would require all the money in the land to be reforged into the likeliness of the new king. (or some other major event that allowed the excuse of creating new money). You gave the government 4 gold coins to be re-struck and you&#8217;d get 4 gold coins back&#8230; however the gold coins you got back weighed slightly less then the ones you dropped off. <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  The government kept the difference and used that to strike new coins.</p>
<p>Of course with abandoning of the gold standard in 1970&#8242;s our government has given up all pretense of having a stable money supply. So now they can manipulate currency valuations to their hearts content with no practical restrictions on spending.</p>
<p>If the USA Government decided to stop threatening to kill anybody who wanted to make their own money then it would just go back to what it naturally would be: commodity money. Like Gold or Silver or maybe something else. Whatever the market is willing to accept. </p>
<p>Maybe we reached enough level in accounting technology that we can track the relative values of various commodities without having to need a intermediate commodity to serve as a common medium of exchange for everything. I can imagine people on the stock market trading stocks directly for bonds or commodity futures or whatever based directly on relative value rather then Gold or some other solid currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Clem</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791530</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael A. Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One wonders what would happen if the government did stop making cash?   Perhaps they would open up an entreprenurial opportunity for private cash?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders what would happen if the government did stop making cash?   Perhaps they would open up an entreprenurial opportunity for private cash?</p>
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		<title>By: Slim934</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791529</link>
		<dc:creator>Slim934</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nate-m is right.

The idea that the use of credit cards would prevent a 100% gold standard from returning is a non sequitur argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate-m is right.</p>
<p>The idea that the use of credit cards would prevent a 100% gold standard from returning is a non sequitur argument.</p>
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		<title>By: JFF</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791524</link>
		<dc:creator>JFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where I come from, it&#039;s still the mark of a classy restaurant if it only accepts cash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where I come from, it&#8217;s still the mark of a classy restaurant if it only accepts cash.</p>
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		<title>By: nate-m</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791511</link>
		<dc:creator>nate-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[credit cards and gold standard are not mutually exclusive items.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>credit cards and gold standard are not mutually exclusive items.</p>
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		<title>By: Subhi Andrews</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17605/goodbye-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-791510</link>
		<dc:creator>Subhi Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Credit cards/Debit cards are a great convenience. I have serious doubt that world will ever go back to a 100% reserve gold standard ever, even if market anarchy came to bear. Even plastic will make way for electronic wallets using NFC payments.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20070015-93/nfc-mobile-payments-could-hit-$50-billion-by-2014/

These are generally good developments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit cards/Debit cards are a great convenience. I have serious doubt that world will ever go back to a 100% reserve gold standard ever, even if market anarchy came to bear. Even plastic will make way for electronic wallets using NFC payments.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20070015-93/nfc-mobile-payments-could-hit-$50-billion-by-2014/" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20070015-93/nfc-mobile-payments-could-hit-$50-billion-by-2014/</a></p>
<p>These are generally good developments.</p>
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