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Source link: http://archive.mises.org/17433/dellong-on-nozick/

DeLong on Nozick

June 26, 2011 by

In a clever post on his blog for June 21, 2011, Brad DeLong offered a reconstruction of Robert Nozick’s political philosophy. He claimed that “to successfully explain Nozickian political philosophy is face the reality that it is self-parody.” Hence only liberals like himself could explain it, because anyone who grasps the structure of the argument would at once see that he could no longer be a Nozickian believer. Why only liberals in DeLong’s sense could perceive the problems he finds in Nozick’s argument, he does not tell us; but let this pass.

DeLong is not quite so clever as he takes himself to be, at least when he leaves his own field; and his account of Nozick contains several mistakes. He attributes to Nozick the bizarre view that no one can ever justifiably advance a utilitarian or consequentialist argument. So enamored is he of this attribution that three of the fourteen steps of his reconstruction of Nozick’s argument refer to this claim. Of course, Nozick never supported this odd position. His point was rather than rights have moral weight that appeals to consequences do not override. The question is not whether consequences matter—obviously, they do—but whether anything else does as well.

Not content with his silly error, DeLong saddles Nozick with the view that “Something becomes mine if I make it.” Nozick did not embrace so broad a principle as this: as DeLong states it, the principle would imply that parents own their children, and Nozick certainly does not think this. Nozick’s attempt to arrive at a principle of initial acquisition is restricted to acquisition of unowned resources, and Nozick never succeeds in formulating such a principle to his own satisfaction. DeLong’s premise is an absurd oversimplification.

DeLong also fails to understand Nozick’s account of the Lockean proviso. He correctly notes that once everything is owned, latecomers can no longer take from the common stock of nature. If the Lockean proviso requires that they can do so, it cannot in this circumstance be fulfilled; and people’s property titles cease to be valid. DeLong then says, without explanation, that the Lockean proviso then shows that all previous acts of appropriation are invalid, “since they did not leave enough for the latecomers to take as much as they wanted from the common stock of nature.”

Here DeLong has botched the argument. He does not explain how Nozick gets from the step that property titles are invalid once nothing is left for latecomers to the stronger claim that all property titles are invalid. Before everything is owned, it need not be true that acts of appropriation fail to leave enough for latecomers; or so it at first sight appears. On DeLong’s account, Nozick’s argument contains a glaring gap. DeLong fails to mention the backwards induction argument that Nozick uses to fill this gap; perhaps DeLong thinks that the requirement that the steps of an argument be logically justified is of minor importance.

DeLong thinks that Nozick gave up the Lockean proviso once he realized that it would eliminate titles to property. The tenth step of the reconstruction is “Oops”. He does not see that Nozick’s point that even those without property are better off under a system of private property than in a state of nature without the institution of private property is intended as an interpretation of the proviso, not a replacement for it.

I attempted to post a comment on DeLong’s blog about these mistakes, but DeLong has not seen fit to print it. He evidently prefers posters who celebrate his brilliance. As Pope said of Addison, he sits “attentive to his own applause; While Wits and Templars ev’ry sentence raise, And wonder with a foolish face of praise.”

{ 17 comments }

Bob Roddis June 26, 2011 at 4:54 pm

While Krugman allows almost all comments to be posted on his blog, DeLong generally deletes all critical comments. He’s a fool and a clown. Roger Garrison wrote this about DeLong:

In his lecture delivered January 5 in Singapore, “The Financial Crisis of 2008–2009: Understanding the Causes, Consequences—and Possible Cures,” he fabricates a “Marx-Hoover-Hayek axis” (complete with adjoined photos of this unlikely trio) and then offers a brief and ill-informed critique under the heading “The ‘Austrian’ Story in a Nutshell.”

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/mainstream-macro-in-an-austrian-nutshell/

This latest performance is typical of DeLong. When people in opposition cannot properly and fairly state a libertarian or Austrian position (like always), I take that as a win for us and an admission of defeat by the bad guys.

Jordan Viray June 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm

If you are a flashy style-over-substance blogger and you see David Gordon coming your way, run, don’t walk away because he will cut you down. Of all the DeLong critiques, this clean and logical takedown was my favorite.

Bob Roddis June 26, 2011 at 9:42 pm

But Mr. DeLong is much much worse than a plain ol’ blogger:

J. Bradford DeLong is a professor of economics at the University of California at Berkeley, chair of its political economy major, a research associate of the National Bureau of Economic Research, a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, and was in the Clinton administration a deputy assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury.

His best work extends from business cycle dynamics through economic growth, behavioral finance, political economy, economic history, international finance to the history of economic thought and other topics

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/about_brad_delong.html

Joseph June 26, 2011 at 9:54 pm

Yes, I would say that he is far worse than a “plain ‘ol blogger”. It would be interesting to hear his lectures on the “history of economic thought”; I would be willing to bet that it starts with Smith and ends with Keynes (or, DeLong).

How can one teach the intricacies of the history of economic thought if all that they know is one view, and a very narrow view at that?

Bob Roddis June 26, 2011 at 10:11 pm

How can one teach the intricacies of the history of economic thought if someone is fundamentally and completely dishonest in explaining opponents’ positions?

Joseph July 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Well, there is that, as well. ;)

Jordan Viray June 27, 2011 at 12:53 am

I know who he is. But like Krugman, all the credentials in the world won’t save him from his poor argumentation.

Big Nanny June 26, 2011 at 11:37 pm

Pearls deserve better swine.

Daniel Coleman June 26, 2011 at 11:47 pm

And Krugman was just saying the other day that he thought he or one of his buddies could easily pass an ideological Turing test . . .

Sasha Shepherd July 1, 2011 at 3:03 pm

In my undergraduate econ degree at a state college, I think about half of my textbooks were written by DeLong.

It took about two semesters for me to realize what utter nonsense it all was.

If it wasn’t so cheap (taxpayer subsidized, sadly), and I didn’t get through it so fast (2 1/2 years because of AP credits etc.), I would have felt ROYALLY ripped off at actually paying money to be so blatantly propagandized.

As it was, I just slept through the classes, crammed a bunch of DeLong’s Keynesian nonsense while riding the L in to the exams (i would sit outside the class cramming for the first 2/3 of the exam, rush in 20 minutes from the end, and barf it all out with time to spare :P ), and got my exalted scrap of paper with minimal fuss, feeling only sad because of the possibility that I might have actually learned something with my time.

Fortunately, there exists mises and LRC to fill in the gaps :)

will July 6, 2011 at 10:44 am

“barf it all out with time to spare”
Awesome.

That’s how I got my (State College) degree in philosophy as well.
All Classics, Descarte, Kant, Hobbes, and Logical Positivism. Very little Locke, only one Hume essay that I can remember, and absolutely nothing practical and applicable to anything resembling reality (i.e. integration with economics, public policy, real life ethics). I forgot all about philosophy and started building houses. I found Mises.org and discovered a new love for the subject. David Gordon’s articles epitomize the reasons why.

Douglas Bodden July 1, 2011 at 3:30 pm

Fascinating. Over a year ago, I was debating a friend who insisted my arguments against fiat currency were ridiculous, and simply pasted a URL to DeLong’s arguments [if they may be called such?] against the gold standard, thinking that would “shut me up”. I responded with a point-by-point refutation, in full, which I did with ease though I am only a lay/hobbyist Austrian economist. I asked my friend to refrain from making any further negative comments on my economics posts until he addressed my refutations in full.

In over a year, he has not responded, and has (respectfully) completely ceased his anti-Austrian comments on my posts. I suppose it is the case that with minds like DeLong’s that out of sight is truly out of mind, and that if reality can be moderated to suit the vision of the intellectual elite, this suffices a a substitute for truth.

It’s also interesting to note that even elitist Federal Reserve economists would prefer DeLong keep his statements to himself (search for “DeLong” in the document linked to):

http://alephblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Economics%20is%20Hard%20-%20Dont%20Let%20Bloggers%20Tell%20You%20Otherwise.pdf

Josh Williams July 5, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Here was my encounter with DeLong:

You think I am obligated to approve and distribute comments that tell lies about what I said? How very strange you are…

Yours,

Brad DeLong
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Agreed, I am strange. However, if his comments tell lies about what you have said, perhaps it would be better to defend your comments instead of dodging the critique. Also, no obligation to approve and distribute comments was implied.
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Long experience has taught me that there are wingnuts of such a degree of wingnuttery that engaging with them at all is a big mistake.

One such is David Gordon, who wrote:

“Given this sorry record, it is hardly surprising that the renewed outbreak of world war in September 1939, which returned Churchill to the British cabinet as First Lord of the Admiralty, brought a new hunger blockade of Germany…. In one respect, Churchill was able to improve on his stellar reputation for ferocity. In the previous war, bombers had not been used in a terror campaign against civilians…. Churchill… when he became prime minister he immediately instituted a policy of civilian bombing…. England, not Germany, began this grossly immoral policy…. Franklin Roosevelt rivaled his British counterpart in his disregard for the rules of civilized warfare…. The moral offenses of Churchill and Roosevelt were not confined to violations of the laws of war…. [W]as it not a clear moral imperative to avoid the outbreak of war and, if possible, to secure the evacuation of the Jews from parts of Europe likely to fall under German control? Further, once war broke out, was it not imperative to end the war as soon as possible? Churchill rejected all efforts to reach a settlement [ending World War II]. He continued the hunger blockade, a move that could only exacerbate the most extreme Nazi policies…”

You are doing a bad thing in backing him up.
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Well, I was currently more interested in this quote from David Gordon: http://blog.mises.org/17433/dellong-on-nozick/.

Thanks,

Josh

Jordan Viray July 5, 2011 at 12:42 pm

Where did David Gordon write that? I tend to think of him as a philosopher but it appears he is an excellent historian as well!

Josh Williams July 5, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Un-Ruled November 20, 2011 at 8:27 pm

Cracking piece of writing!!

maison en Thailande November 21, 2011 at 12:47 am

Incredibly well written piece of writing.

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