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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783762</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article is not convincing at all.  Incredibly one sided and that side is not clearly presented.  I&#039;m finding this typical of the articles from Mises.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is not convincing at all.  Incredibly one sided and that side is not clearly presented.  I&#8217;m finding this typical of the articles from Mises.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783689</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 22:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a precise example of the expanded and practically unregulated power of the federal government. Instead of solving issues and helping the economy they express their power in taking it from others.
To anyone who has studied governments,they know that this is fascism. The current government exists solely to take away rights and freedoms that its supposed to protect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a precise example of the expanded and practically unregulated power of the federal government. Instead of solving issues and helping the economy they express their power in taking it from others.<br />
To anyone who has studied governments,they know that this is fascism. The current government exists solely to take away rights and freedoms that its supposed to protect.</p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783577</link>
		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 02:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not that such bad behavior has been unfashionable in the past, but the effort to use government as an agency to define who makes money and who pays, by force, has reached a fevered pitch.What pisses me off, and should piss every American off, is how the concerned and the patriotic get labeled as &quot;conspiracy theorists&quot; when they point out the obvious; that there are people in government and parts of industry making it harder for upstarts and the truly industrious to compete, by law.  It&#039;s been going on for decades, and it looks to be FINALLY taking a conspicuously heavy toll.  Welcome to my reality for the past few decades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that such bad behavior has been unfashionable in the past, but the effort to use government as an agency to define who makes money and who pays, by force, has reached a fevered pitch.What pisses me off, and should piss every American off, is how the concerned and the patriotic get labeled as &#8220;conspiracy theorists&#8221; when they point out the obvious; that there are people in government and parts of industry making it harder for upstarts and the truly industrious to compete, by law.  It&#8217;s been going on for decades, and it looks to be FINALLY taking a conspicuously heavy toll.  Welcome to my reality for the past few decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Llorca</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783479</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Llorca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 17:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Creeping liberal fascism, and it&#039;s disguises, (Liberal Fascism, Jonah Goldberg) would be an interesting topic for someone to explore here.  I lectured a young police officer at a back to school fair about how wrong fingerprinting children is and should not be done in America as it is a fascist practice.  He was unprepared to deal with my remarks, and should have been as part of his public service training.  Several people waiting in line to have their children fingerprinted walked away from the table.  Most did not.  Another band wagon, only this one brightly painted and shiny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creeping liberal fascism, and it&#8217;s disguises, (Liberal Fascism, Jonah Goldberg) would be an interesting topic for someone to explore here.  I lectured a young police officer at a back to school fair about how wrong fingerprinting children is and should not be done in America as it is a fascist practice.  He was unprepared to deal with my remarks, and should have been as part of his public service training.  Several people waiting in line to have their children fingerprinted walked away from the table.  Most did not.  Another band wagon, only this one brightly painted and shiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Llorca</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783350</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Llorca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 21:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get who is supposed to come off what.  I don&#039;t see anyone here standing up for the pure, altruistic motives of our government or anyone else&#039;s government.   Everyone knows the joke, &quot;I&#039;m from the government and I&#039;m here to help you.&quot;  It grows harder each day to hope we can teach our future generations the difference between autonomy and anarchy.  There someday may not be a  difference]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get who is supposed to come off what.  I don&#8217;t see anyone here standing up for the pure, altruistic motives of our government or anyone else&#8217;s government.   Everyone knows the joke, &#8220;I&#8217;m from the government and I&#8217;m here to help you.&#8221;  It grows harder each day to hope we can teach our future generations the difference between autonomy and anarchy.  There someday may not be a  difference</p>
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		<title>By: minogaade</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783345</link>
		<dc:creator>minogaade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 20:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am NOT trained in the area in question, so I can&#039;t evaluate the environmental impact arguments, but it&#039;s not as if they&#039;re presented in any form that would allow even an expert to. That&#039;s my point.

As for creating straw men, I was in part thinking of a comment on this page:

The problem is most “environmentalists” leaders are lying peices of shit. They are frauds, criminals, hucksters and care more about money, power, and self-agrandisement then the earth.

etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am NOT trained in the area in question, so I can&#8217;t evaluate the environmental impact arguments, but it&#8217;s not as if they&#8217;re presented in any form that would allow even an expert to. That&#8217;s my point.</p>
<p>As for creating straw men, I was in part thinking of a comment on this page:</p>
<p>The problem is most “environmentalists” leaders are lying peices of shit. They are frauds, criminals, hucksters and care more about money, power, and self-agrandisement then the earth.</p>
<p>etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Mexican</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783335</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Mexican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: minogaade,
&lt;blockquote&gt;A brief comment again on the article in question. One–what is the vocational specialty of the author? Is s/he &lt;b&gt;adequately trained&lt;/b&gt; to assess the environmental issues related to the products being discussed? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Is a bureaucrat? Are you, for that matter?

&lt;blockquote&gt;We either have complete and utter socialist/communist/marxist/totalitarian offensive destructive oppressive hellish inept evil criminal self-serving regulation or we have &lt;b&gt;libertarian&lt;/b&gt; Ayn Randish &lt;b&gt;Koch-whore anti-human anti-social&lt;/b&gt; corporate greed toxic grab-your-planet &lt;b&gt;non-regulation.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Are you trying to make the point against false dilemmas by positing strawmans? Tsk, tsk...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: minogaade,</p>
<blockquote><p>A brief comment again on the article in question. One–what is the vocational specialty of the author? Is s/he <b>adequately trained</b> to assess the environmental issues related to the products being discussed? </p></blockquote>
<p>Is a bureaucrat? Are you, for that matter?</p>
<blockquote><p>We either have complete and utter socialist/communist/marxist/totalitarian offensive destructive oppressive hellish inept evil criminal self-serving regulation or we have <b>libertarian</b> Ayn Randish <b>Koch-whore anti-human anti-social</b> corporate greed toxic grab-your-planet <b>non-regulation.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Are you trying to make the point against false dilemmas by positing strawmans? Tsk, tsk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Walt D.</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783290</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 14:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To paraphrase Patrick Henry,
&quot;Give me socialism and give me death&quot;.
What we are talking about here is fascism. Fascists hate small business. It is much easier to control a few large businesses that thousands of small ones. Unfortunately, regulations drive businesses out of country. Outsourcing is not just about cheap labor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To paraphrase Patrick Henry,<br />
&#8220;Give me socialism and give me death&#8221;.<br />
What we are talking about here is fascism. Fascists hate small business. It is much easier to control a few large businesses that thousands of small ones. Unfortunately, regulations drive businesses out of country. Outsourcing is not just about cheap labor.</p>
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		<title>By: minogaade</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783284</link>
		<dc:creator>minogaade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 14:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s unwise to extrapolate from the actions of &quot;governments&quot; to particular research programs which are funded by specific agencies in the U.S. The problem is that that level of generalization loses any purchase in reality. I&#039;m not an expert on climate-change research, but it seems a rhetorical leap to claim that it is &quot;riddled with misconduct, lies, etc.&quot; Nothing is accomplished if we all just throw words into the air. There are occasionally charges of misconduct in academic research, of various types, e.g., Marc Hauser of Harvard&#039;s alleged misconduct; significant issues with &quot;ghostwriting&quot; by academics who were knowingly or unknowingly collaborating with pharmaceutical companies (see, e.g., NYT article: http://nyti.ms/nh48f). But the very fact that these charges are so serious suggests to me that such misconduct is not rampant. Can one show problems and limitations in research? Sure, the question are important ones of quality and quantity, subject to intense scrutiny (who does this, though, in your model?).

A brief comment again on the article in question. One--what is the vocational specialty of the author? Is s/he adequately trained to assess the environmental issues related to the products being discussed? This is not an idle issue. Also--one of the primary criteria for disqualifying experts is that they have a vested interest in outcomes, the obvious issue of conflict of interest. This is why the collusion of some academics with some pharmaceutical companies is so dangerous. It&#039;s also why the academy must be free of direct corporate influence. I don&#039;t see how libertarians have any means of dealing with conflict of interest. In fact, that IS their charge against regulators, but as they say, &quot;Hello, pot!&quot; Also -- Another seeming oversight of this author is the idea that by restricting the number of large tractors produced, jobs are lost. Question: do the smaller tractors grow on trees? I get the impression that this sort of article is a brand of anti-regulatory pornography, designed to titillate entrenched believers.

I would say that the biggest problem that we face as a society is this rhetorical idea of the &quot;false dilemma,&quot; a classic logical fallacy, and something fiercely exacerbated by the internet, which allows, in Bruce Cockburn&#039;s words, &quot;every psychopath to have his own magazine,&quot; left or right. We either have complete and utter socialist/communist/marxist/totalitarian offensive destructive oppressive hellish inept evil criminal self-serving regulation or we have libertarian Ayn Randish Koch-whore anti-human anti-social corporate greed toxic grab-your-planet non-regulation. These are said to be our choices. What good can come of such foolishness?

I agree with you about the problems of &quot;incumbency,&quot; The problem with so many intellectual endeavors is that they represent the profound thinking of a few brilliant people, and the rest of us just mine the ideas for a living, not sufficiently gifted to effectively evaluate them. I&#039;m always reminded of what John Wooden once said when asked if he was worried that his UCLA basketball team of freshmen and sophomores was facing a much more seasoned team in the NCAA finals. Wooden said: &quot;Experience is no substitute for talent.&quot; But I don&#039;t see John Galt standing there, I see Albert Einstein. And look what we did with HIS ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s unwise to extrapolate from the actions of &#8220;governments&#8221; to particular research programs which are funded by specific agencies in the U.S. The problem is that that level of generalization loses any purchase in reality. I&#8217;m not an expert on climate-change research, but it seems a rhetorical leap to claim that it is &#8220;riddled with misconduct, lies, etc.&#8221; Nothing is accomplished if we all just throw words into the air. There are occasionally charges of misconduct in academic research, of various types, e.g., Marc Hauser of Harvard&#8217;s alleged misconduct; significant issues with &#8220;ghostwriting&#8221; by academics who were knowingly or unknowingly collaborating with pharmaceutical companies (see, e.g., NYT article: <a href="http://nyti.ms/nh48f" rel="nofollow">http://nyti.ms/nh48f</a>). But the very fact that these charges are so serious suggests to me that such misconduct is not rampant. Can one show problems and limitations in research? Sure, the question are important ones of quality and quantity, subject to intense scrutiny (who does this, though, in your model?).</p>
<p>A brief comment again on the article in question. One&#8211;what is the vocational specialty of the author? Is s/he adequately trained to assess the environmental issues related to the products being discussed? This is not an idle issue. Also&#8211;one of the primary criteria for disqualifying experts is that they have a vested interest in outcomes, the obvious issue of conflict of interest. This is why the collusion of some academics with some pharmaceutical companies is so dangerous. It&#8217;s also why the academy must be free of direct corporate influence. I don&#8217;t see how libertarians have any means of dealing with conflict of interest. In fact, that IS their charge against regulators, but as they say, &#8220;Hello, pot!&#8221; Also &#8212; Another seeming oversight of this author is the idea that by restricting the number of large tractors produced, jobs are lost. Question: do the smaller tractors grow on trees? I get the impression that this sort of article is a brand of anti-regulatory pornography, designed to titillate entrenched believers.</p>
<p>I would say that the biggest problem that we face as a society is this rhetorical idea of the &#8220;false dilemma,&#8221; a classic logical fallacy, and something fiercely exacerbated by the internet, which allows, in Bruce Cockburn&#8217;s words, &#8220;every psychopath to have his own magazine,&#8221; left or right. We either have complete and utter socialist/communist/marxist/totalitarian offensive destructive oppressive hellish inept evil criminal self-serving regulation or we have libertarian Ayn Randish Koch-whore anti-human anti-social corporate greed toxic grab-your-planet non-regulation. These are said to be our choices. What good can come of such foolishness?</p>
<p>I agree with you about the problems of &#8220;incumbency,&#8221; The problem with so many intellectual endeavors is that they represent the profound thinking of a few brilliant people, and the rest of us just mine the ideas for a living, not sufficiently gifted to effectively evaluate them. I&#8217;m always reminded of what John Wooden once said when asked if he was worried that his UCLA basketball team of freshmen and sophomores was facing a much more seasoned team in the NCAA finals. Wooden said: &#8220;Experience is no substitute for talent.&#8221; But I don&#8217;t see John Galt standing there, I see Albert Einstein. And look what we did with HIS ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783264</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 13:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh come off it. The issue is usually that people assume governments are truth-seeking, pure, benign entities, looking out for the public&#039;s good. Consequently, the same assumption extends to government-funded research. Realistically, the government is benighted by the same incentive issues as any institution, if not worse since it&#039;s a monopoly on law/order/legitimate usage of force. Environmental research - particularly with respect to &quot;climate change&quot; - has been riddled with misconduct, lies etc. Thus, there is justifiable contempt towards it. And many libertarians distrust the peer review system mainstream academics subscribe to anyway, on the basis that it favours incumbent paradigms, and with good reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come off it. The issue is usually that people assume governments are truth-seeking, pure, benign entities, looking out for the public&#8217;s good. Consequently, the same assumption extends to government-funded research. Realistically, the government is benighted by the same incentive issues as any institution, if not worse since it&#8217;s a monopoly on law/order/legitimate usage of force. Environmental research &#8211; particularly with respect to &#8220;climate change&#8221; &#8211; has been riddled with misconduct, lies etc. Thus, there is justifiable contempt towards it. And many libertarians distrust the peer review system mainstream academics subscribe to anyway, on the basis that it favours incumbent paradigms, and with good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Mexican</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783222</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Mexican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 05:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: billwald,
&lt;blockquote&gt;If that is what “free enterprise” accepts as the norm then give me socialism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You get your wish:

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/why-socialism-causes-pollution/

&quot;The Soviet government’s imperatives for economic growth, combined with communal ownership of virtually all property and resources, caused tremendous environmental damage. According to economist Marshall Goldman, who studied and traveled extensively in the Soviet Union, &quot;The attitude that nature is there to be exploited by man is the very essence of the Soviet production ethic.&quot;

A typical example of the environmental damage caused by the Soviet economic system is the exploitation of the Black Sea. To comply with five-year plans for housing and building construction, gravel, sand, and trees around the beaches were used for decades as construction materials. Because there is no private property, &quot;no value is attached to the gravel along the seashore. Since, in effect, it is free, the contractors haul it away. This practice caused massive beach erosion which reduced the Black Sea coast by 50 percent between 1920 and 1960. Eventually, hotels, hospitals, and of all things, a military sanitarium collapsed into the sea as the shore line gave way. Frequent landslides–as many as 300 per year–have been reported.

Water pollution is catastrophic. Effluent from a chemical plant killed almost all the fish in the Oka River in 1965, and similar fish kills have occurred in the Volga, Ob, Yenesei, Ural, and Northern Dvina rivers. Most Russian factories discharge their waste without cleaning it at all. Mines, oil wells, and ships freely dump waste and ballast into any available body of water, since it is all one big (and tragic) &quot;commons.&quot;

Only six of the 20 main cities in Moldavia had a sewer system by the late 1960s, and only two of those cities made any effort to treat the sewage. Conditions are far more primitive in the countryside. &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: billwald,</p>
<blockquote><p>If that is what “free enterprise” accepts as the norm then give me socialism.</p></blockquote>
<p>You get your wish:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/why-socialism-causes-pollution/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/why-socialism-causes-pollution/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Soviet government’s imperatives for economic growth, combined with communal ownership of virtually all property and resources, caused tremendous environmental damage. According to economist Marshall Goldman, who studied and traveled extensively in the Soviet Union, &#8220;The attitude that nature is there to be exploited by man is the very essence of the Soviet production ethic.&#8221;</p>
<p>A typical example of the environmental damage caused by the Soviet economic system is the exploitation of the Black Sea. To comply with five-year plans for housing and building construction, gravel, sand, and trees around the beaches were used for decades as construction materials. Because there is no private property, &#8220;no value is attached to the gravel along the seashore. Since, in effect, it is free, the contractors haul it away. This practice caused massive beach erosion which reduced the Black Sea coast by 50 percent between 1920 and 1960. Eventually, hotels, hospitals, and of all things, a military sanitarium collapsed into the sea as the shore line gave way. Frequent landslides–as many as 300 per year–have been reported.</p>
<p>Water pollution is catastrophic. Effluent from a chemical plant killed almost all the fish in the Oka River in 1965, and similar fish kills have occurred in the Volga, Ob, Yenesei, Ural, and Northern Dvina rivers. Most Russian factories discharge their waste without cleaning it at all. Mines, oil wells, and ships freely dump waste and ballast into any available body of water, since it is all one big (and tragic) &#8220;commons.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only six of the 20 main cities in Moldavia had a sewer system by the late 1960s, and only two of those cities made any effort to treat the sewage. Conditions are far more primitive in the countryside. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Llorca</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783216</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Llorca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 05:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Diesel engines did that sometimes but everyone understood it was carbon and not poison.  And diesel fuel used to be less than half the cost of regular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diesel engines did that sometimes but everyone understood it was carbon and not poison.  And diesel fuel used to be less than half the cost of regular.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanmind</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783212</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 03:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I started a job at a Boeing subsidiary, the &quot;Meet New People&quot; questionnaire for the intranet had a space for Personal Interests.  After I entered &quot;Rothbardian market anarchy,&quot; the intranet post announcing my hiring featured a Personal Interests section that was left blank, and I was let go within the month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started a job at a Boeing subsidiary, the &#8220;Meet New People&#8221; questionnaire for the intranet had a space for Personal Interests.  After I entered &#8220;Rothbardian market anarchy,&#8221; the intranet post announcing my hiring featured a Personal Interests section that was left blank, and I was let go within the month.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanmind</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783211</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 03:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cancer research industry is rife with fraud, designed by Big Pharm to perpetuate &quot;chemical coping mechanisms&quot; rather than actual solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cancer research industry is rife with fraud, designed by Big Pharm to perpetuate &#8220;chemical coping mechanisms&#8221; rather than actual solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanmind</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783210</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 03:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So run it under the table.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So run it under the table.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783179</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 01:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i take umbrage with this disclaimer: &quot;Although I am not a conspiracy theorist...&quot;. 

first, because the author patently &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; believe that government employees can work in concert to thwart private initiative and harm private interests.  second, while the author wishes to convince people of the possibility of organized retribution in &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; case, he is ready to join the government&#039;s chorus line regarding others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i take umbrage with this disclaimer: &#8220;Although I am not a conspiracy theorist&#8230;&#8221;. </p>
<p>first, because the author patently <i>does</i> believe that government employees can work in concert to thwart private initiative and harm private interests.  second, while the author wishes to convince people of the possibility of organized retribution in <i>this</i> case, he is ready to join the government&#8217;s chorus line regarding others.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl E</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783177</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 01:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Out of Business
I feel so sorry that the government is taking our freedoms.
In this case, they take  freedoms in exchange for poverty.

Governments are given the authority to punish evildoers 
BUT America  has an immoral government. And this government is the greatest cause of all evil.

My question is what can we do to stop it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of Business<br />
I feel so sorry that the government is taking our freedoms.<br />
In this case, they take  freedoms in exchange for poverty.</p>
<p>Governments are given the authority to punish evildoers<br />
BUT America  has an immoral government. And this government is the greatest cause of all evil.</p>
<p>My question is what can we do to stop it</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783176</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a broadly inaccurate statement you have smeared across the industry!  Maybe one in one-thousand trucks belched black smoke as you suggest.  I can&#039;t remember any time when a line of trucks were belching black smoke as they motored along going up a hill or going down a hill on even a single highway much less every highway!  If a truck is belching black smoke, don&#039;t you think that there is something wrong with the truck&#039;s engine?  Don&#039;t you think the firms owner would want it fixed in order to gain better engine efficiency and higher mileage and lower costs and higher profits or more competitive pricing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a broadly inaccurate statement you have smeared across the industry!  Maybe one in one-thousand trucks belched black smoke as you suggest.  I can&#8217;t remember any time when a line of trucks were belching black smoke as they motored along going up a hill or going down a hill on even a single highway much less every highway!  If a truck is belching black smoke, don&#8217;t you think that there is something wrong with the truck&#8217;s engine?  Don&#8217;t you think the firms owner would want it fixed in order to gain better engine efficiency and higher mileage and lower costs and higher profits or more competitive pricing?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Hays</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783164</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To author:  Great article, I agree.  Regulations never seem to work well for the regulated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To author:  Great article, I agree.  Regulations never seem to work well for the regulated.</p>
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		<title>By: nate-m</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/17109/out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-783158</link>
		<dc:creator>nate-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This form of ‘Free Enterprise’ is still better then being ignorant.

Soot represents inefficiencies. Excessive soot causes maintenance issues. Its’s 98% carbon and will cake surfaces and get into the oil. Lots of carbon build up in the oil reduces it’s effectiveness which shortens the life of the engine. Truck owners would fiddle with the injection to improve performance, but that would cause the black smoke. However, modern turbo engines and computerized fuel injection can be used to improve performance of motors and improve efficiency… saving money, hardware, and getting better performance. That ‘black smoke’ to a business owner is just money being burned.

Plus the soot itself is largely harmless. It’s the gasses you don’t see that are the dangerous stuff and regulations attacking ‘black smoke’ are attacking a mostly cosmetic issue. For the work they are doing those big diesels are far more environmentally friendly then gasoline engines. Forcing these guys to use gasoline engines or forcing them to unload their trucks and load up gasoline trucks to take their goods into town would be a disaster.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This form of ‘Free Enterprise’ is still better then being ignorant.</p>
<p>Soot represents inefficiencies. Excessive soot causes maintenance issues. Its’s 98% carbon and will cake surfaces and get into the oil. Lots of carbon build up in the oil reduces it’s effectiveness which shortens the life of the engine. Truck owners would fiddle with the injection to improve performance, but that would cause the black smoke. However, modern turbo engines and computerized fuel injection can be used to improve performance of motors and improve efficiency… saving money, hardware, and getting better performance. That ‘black smoke’ to a business owner is just money being burned.</p>
<p>Plus the soot itself is largely harmless. It’s the gasses you don’t see that are the dangerous stuff and regulations attacking ‘black smoke’ are attacking a mostly cosmetic issue. For the work they are doing those big diesels are far more environmentally friendly then gasoline engines. Forcing these guys to use gasoline engines or forcing them to unload their trucks and load up gasoline trucks to take their goods into town would be a disaster.</p>
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