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		<title>By: Susan Lee</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-794215</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh my Goodness.  I have learned SO much, coming here from American Digest, today.  I have wondered for a long while why Haiti is the mess that it is, and could not get any further than thinking they must not have the raw materials...  (North America is so blessed in her RM&#039;s.)
Y&#039;all have given me a whole lot of other &quot;ingredients&quot; for a successful economy to think about.  Fascinating.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my Goodness.  I have learned SO much, coming here from American Digest, today.  I have wondered for a long while why Haiti is the mess that it is, and could not get any further than thinking they must not have the raw materials&#8230;  (North America is so blessed in her RM&#8217;s.)<br />
Y&#8217;all have given me a whole lot of other &#8220;ingredients&#8221; for a successful economy to think about.  Fascinating.</p>
<p>Susan Lee</p>
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		<title>By: miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 02:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way I tend to think about this problem is one that has to do with property rights. In Haiti, what you are saying in effect is that there are no property rights and no rule of law. Haiti is a jungle, where the strong (i.e., those with guns and the will to use them) can take anything and everything they want. In that situation, the true potential of Haiti&#039;s &quot;human capital&quot; will never develop. Why would anyone work to create something of added value-- a chair, a prize cow, a farming technique, a tool-- when it will just be stolen from you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I tend to think about this problem is one that has to do with property rights. In Haiti, what you are saying in effect is that there are no property rights and no rule of law. Haiti is a jungle, where the strong (i.e., those with guns and the will to use them) can take anything and everything they want. In that situation, the true potential of Haiti&#8217;s &#8220;human capital&#8221; will never develop. Why would anyone work to create something of added value&#8211; a chair, a prize cow, a farming technique, a tool&#8211; when it will just be stolen from you?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Governments at many levels are now leasing and selling off government assets and property to fund themselves; assets that were bought, developed, and paid for in the first place by taxpayers.  Same taxpayers who will get to pay again to use the assets fior which they had already paid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governments at many levels are now leasing and selling off government assets and property to fund themselves; assets that were bought, developed, and paid for in the first place by taxpayers.  Same taxpayers who will get to pay again to use the assets fior which they had already paid.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, but I would appreciate some examples of what the Haiti government does to steal or consume any / all accumulated wealth (capital).  Is it done by politicians to enrich themselves or merely used to support people through government benefits.  Is there a fairly large government that needs supporting?  I know little about Haiti.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, but I would appreciate some examples of what the Haiti government does to steal or consume any / all accumulated wealth (capital).  Is it done by politicians to enrich themselves or merely used to support people through government benefits.  Is there a fairly large government that needs supporting?  I know little about Haiti.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: K Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny you mention Chavez, who is undergoing Chemo, I understand.  They estimate his oil seizures and other nationalizations have his empire now valued at 70 billion.  Here is the saddest part.  He is taking the revenue from the oil production and using it to feed social programs, buy votes and congress, control generals and press.  Instead of reinvesting oil profit into further exploration and drilling, he is losing the very advantage that provided him power.  Who knows how much he is giving to Bolivia, Ecuador and Cuba?  Venezuela actually had to import some gasoline or oil recently I heard.

It seems a large government will plant the seed for collapse and a dictator who, in turn squanders the capital during tenure.  It is a mad race to the bottom for those societies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you mention Chavez, who is undergoing Chemo, I understand.  They estimate his oil seizures and other nationalizations have his empire now valued at 70 billion.  Here is the saddest part.  He is taking the revenue from the oil production and using it to feed social programs, buy votes and congress, control generals and press.  Instead of reinvesting oil profit into further exploration and drilling, he is losing the very advantage that provided him power.  Who knows how much he is giving to Bolivia, Ecuador and Cuba?  Venezuela actually had to import some gasoline or oil recently I heard.</p>
<p>It seems a large government will plant the seed for collapse and a dictator who, in turn squanders the capital during tenure.  It is a mad race to the bottom for those societies.</p>
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		<title>By: Koblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Property rights are extremely important, no doubt, but our system also has something called &quot;honoring contracts.&quot; You know, &quot;a man&#039;s handshake means something.&quot;

The Haitian government, like all socialist systems, does not honor contracts. Who in his right mind would bring in enough capital if the government would immediately renig on the contract.

The story&#039;s told of a foreign guy opening a car battery plant in the post-USSR Russia. He got it up and running, only to have the Russian government come in and &quot;nationalize&quot; it because it was deemed critical to military production. 

How many times will that happen before capital simply flees?

Check out Hugo Chavez&#039;s Venezuela for a current version of such theft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property rights are extremely important, no doubt, but our system also has something called &#8220;honoring contracts.&#8221; You know, &#8220;a man&#8217;s handshake means something.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Haitian government, like all socialist systems, does not honor contracts. Who in his right mind would bring in enough capital if the government would immediately renig on the contract.</p>
<p>The story&#8217;s told of a foreign guy opening a car battery plant in the post-USSR Russia. He got it up and running, only to have the Russian government come in and &#8220;nationalize&#8221; it because it was deemed critical to military production. </p>
<p>How many times will that happen before capital simply flees?</p>
<p>Check out Hugo Chavez&#8217;s Venezuela for a current version of such theft.</p>
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		<title>By: Koblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read a very similar account years ago by an author dealing with what he termed &quot;the politics of envy.&quot;

His story involved missionaries giving gasoline powered rototillers to villagers in Africa so they could farm more efficiently.

The story goes that the missionaries came back a year later only to find the rototillers in a shed, unused. The reason given was the same: the neighbors in the next village would become envious and attack them if they used the tillers.

In socialism everyone is equal...equally poor and destitute.

Compare this to an economic system where advancement is lauded and something to be emulated, not destroyed. 

Here, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. There, the nail that stands proud is hammered down flush with all the others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a very similar account years ago by an author dealing with what he termed &#8220;the politics of envy.&#8221;</p>
<p>His story involved missionaries giving gasoline powered rototillers to villagers in Africa so they could farm more efficiently.</p>
<p>The story goes that the missionaries came back a year later only to find the rototillers in a shed, unused. The reason given was the same: the neighbors in the next village would become envious and attack them if they used the tillers.</p>
<p>In socialism everyone is equal&#8230;equally poor and destitute.</p>
<p>Compare this to an economic system where advancement is lauded and something to be emulated, not destroyed. </p>
<p>Here, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. There, the nail that stands proud is hammered down flush with all the others.</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 02:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Now, to be sure, there are plenty of Americans who are firmly convinced that we would all be better off if we grew our own food, bought only locally, kept firms small, eschewed modern conveniences like home appliances, went back to using only natural products, expropriated wealthy savers, harassed the capitalistic class until it felt itself unwelcome and vanished. This paradise has a name, and it is Haiti.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. Apart from &quot;expropriated wealthy savers, harassed the capitalistic class until it felt itself unwelcome and vanished&quot;, that&#039;s precisely what Haiti &lt;i&gt;used&lt;/i&gt; to be - until the &lt;i&gt;government&lt;/i&gt;, in support of U.S. interests, destroyed the capital base by such things as wiping out the avenues of capital accumulation (like the local &quot;Creole pig&quot;) and stopped the agricultural sector from supplying local food in favour of cash crops for export that gave the kleptocracy more to tap into. And things really were better when it was like that.]]></description>
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Now, to be sure, there are plenty of Americans who are firmly convinced that we would all be better off if we grew our own food, bought only locally, kept firms small, eschewed modern conveniences like home appliances, went back to using only natural products, expropriated wealthy savers, harassed the capitalistic class until it felt itself unwelcome and vanished. This paradise has a name, and it is Haiti.
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<p>No. Apart from &#8220;expropriated wealthy savers, harassed the capitalistic class until it felt itself unwelcome and vanished&#8221;, that&#8217;s precisely what Haiti <i>used</i> to be &#8211; until the <i>government</i>, in support of U.S. interests, destroyed the capital base by such things as wiping out the avenues of capital accumulation (like the local &#8220;Creole pig&#8221;) and stopped the agricultural sector from supplying local food in favour of cash crops for export that gave the kleptocracy more to tap into. And things really were better when it was like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 13:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brilliant piece, very thought provoking.

The third world does provide an eye opener. Corruption is so much less camouflaged with sophistry, for example, to set up a business in Angola, requires an Angolan as a 51%  &quot;share holder&quot; - in the name of socialism of course.

If the business is anything interesting, then that &quot;shareholder&quot; will need to be either a general or one of the President&#039;s family, who will say; &quot;Give me... and I want a car, and expenses account and a salary of...&quot;

&lt;b&gt;a piece about patents&lt;/b&gt;
Jeffery, 
you will probably find this piece from the guys who do Opera web browser interesting. Apparently an &quot;Update Button&quot; is patented, US patent 7222078 ! One more stupid mercantilist block on innovation.
http://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2011/05/13/software-patent-insanity-strikes-down-small-time-developers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant piece, very thought provoking.</p>
<p>The third world does provide an eye opener. Corruption is so much less camouflaged with sophistry, for example, to set up a business in Angola, requires an Angolan as a 51%  &#8220;share holder&#8221; &#8211; in the name of socialism of course.</p>
<p>If the business is anything interesting, then that &#8220;shareholder&#8221; will need to be either a general or one of the President&#8217;s family, who will say; &#8220;Give me&#8230; and I want a car, and expenses account and a salary of&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><b>a piece about patents</b><br />
Jeffery,<br />
you will probably find this piece from the guys who do Opera web browser interesting. Apparently an &#8220;Update Button&#8221; is patented, US patent 7222078 ! One more stupid mercantilist block on innovation.<br />
<a href="http://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2011/05/13/software-patent-insanity-strikes-down-small-time-developers" rel="nofollow">http://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2011/05/13/software-patent-insanity-strikes-down-small-time-developers</a></p>
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		<title>By: MLJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 18:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While we&#039;re at it, I forgot to say that &quot;peddling&quot; a bicycle should be &quot;pedaling&quot; a bicycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re at it, I forgot to say that &#8220;peddling&#8221; a bicycle should be &#8220;pedaling&#8221; a bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: MLJ</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-779964</link>
		<dc:creator>MLJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 17:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah.  The thing about our government regulating things to death, is that the regulators decide that the &quot;regular&quot; way of eating shall be to eat corporate food like twinkies.  They do NOT want you to grow your own food.  
And at certain times, the U.S. government DOES loot accumulated wealth.  Look at raids on natural food stores&#039; (or farmers&#039;) dairy products, medical marijuana clinics, liquor establishments, and any individual with a large stack of cash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  The thing about our government regulating things to death, is that the regulators decide that the &#8220;regular&#8221; way of eating shall be to eat corporate food like twinkies.  They do NOT want you to grow your own food.<br />
And at certain times, the U.S. government DOES loot accumulated wealth.  Look at raids on natural food stores&#8217; (or farmers&#8217;) dairy products, medical marijuana clinics, liquor establishments, and any individual with a large stack of cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Deefburger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deefburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 20:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@coturnix19

Excellent joke!  Very true too.  I am a philosopher of sorts and I have found that a really good joke points out the ugly truth in anything it touches.  You summed up the whole blog in one paragraph!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@coturnix19</p>
<p>Excellent joke!  Very true too.  I am a philosopher of sorts and I have found that a really good joke points out the ugly truth in anything it touches.  You summed up the whole blog in one paragraph!</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-779587</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 08:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[out comes the pin from the grenade.
http://is.gd/pB0Lrn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>out comes the pin from the grenade.<br />
<a href="http://is.gd/pB0Lrn" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/pB0Lrn</a></p>
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		<title>By: J. Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 11:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see it as a negative. The Vatican is in Rome, so it&#039;s Roman Catholic by virtue of having the head of the organization physically located in Rome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see it as a negative. The Vatican is in Rome, so it&#8217;s Roman Catholic by virtue of having the head of the organization physically located in Rome.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 11:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Public property is not conducive to expansion of capital and improvement of the well being of the population. Public property is essentially the same thing as private property in a society where no one respects private property. No one will put any effort improving or maintaining the public property because any efforts that one person puts in can be immediately looted by someone else. Why bother sowing seed, improving soil, or building a structure if when you return the next day, the &quot;public&quot; ate the crop, ruined the soil, and dismantled the structure for the raw materials? Even if some law passed that said no one can dismantle that structure, it means that if you have a better use for the land, you can&#039;t do anything with it by virtue someone else did something different.

Americans and Europeans are used to seeing public land as a positive, like parks. This is mainly because we had a lengthy period of time where public lands were effectively abolished, particularly in America where we didn&#039;t have a long entrenched royal class that made the whole country public land. With such a giant buildup of private land to allow for capital to form and be used, we haven&#039;t felt the negative effects of the government gobbling up the remaining land and labeling it public because we didn&#039;t have any use for it at the time. This is why we have places like Yellowstone or Central Park and any attempts by the Haitian government, even if we transplanted our entire government apparatus there to manage it, would immediately fail.

The reason we have a Central Park here and that Haiti would cut down all the trees and eat all the animals in the zoo is because capitalism is, surprising to most people, environmentally friendly. The entire concept of capitalism is doing more with less. The more you produce, the fewer resources used, the less garbage created and thrown away (I see CO2 going up the stack as lost money, I paid for the materials that are making CO2 and I have better things to do than throw away money, and would love to find a way to capture it and use it for something productive, plenty of businessmen agree with me), the higher the profits go. If all 310 million of us were expected to subsist on the same level of Haiti, we&#039;d take up tremendous amounts more land, deforest large stretches of our wilderness (fun fact, capitalism in the form of tree farming saved the California Redwood), and pollute to such a degree that the native in those old commercials would die of dehydration from all the crying. Haiti is a far more disgusting place than America despite their lack of all the water heaters and dishwashers that are supposedly destroying the environment.

Government property is the worst of both worlds. It&#039;s land that is removed from the private sector that can be used for something productive and is effectively blocked from even the most meager of public land usage. In a country like Haiti, maintainance of government property would require a sufficient capital base to avoid completely driving the populace into steep poverty, which is a contributing factor to the problems in Haiti. As noted in the main article, the Haitian regime (no matter how benevolent and well intending the leaders may be) still needs funding to operate. Remember, government doesn&#039;t do anything of value and requires confiscation to operate. The excess production in Haiti is so poor that government effectively has to take anything above and beyond basic subsistence to exist, which creates the problem noted by Jeffrey as anything that can be expected to be used for capital formation is removed to fund government operations. Even &quot;proper&quot;, &quot;good&quot;, or as socialists like to pretent, &quot;competent&quot; government would run into this problem. Haiti is in such a poor shape that the presence of any government at all ensures the nation will forever be poor. The Haitian people don&#039;t produce enough above and beyond their own survival to be burdened with a large, unproductive expense like government. The only reason the US can even have a government that doesn&#039;t immediately drive the population into poverty is because we effectively didn&#039;t have one for 150 years, one that had any dealings with most of the people and one that, for the most part, never confiscated capital accumulation (ie no income tax) for operation. This allowed us the necessary capital growth to produce in such immense quantities we can hand over 50% of our real production to government (combined local, state, and federal spending is over 50% of our economy) and still have so much left over we can afford luxuries. 

Not that government is a good thing even with the resource base to support it, I&#039;d rather not hand over half my annual salary (either directly or through sales taxes) to an entity whose only purpose is to justify someone else not contributing (welfare) or spending that to hire people to tell me what I can&#039;t do with the 50% that&#039;s left (regulation).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public property is not conducive to expansion of capital and improvement of the well being of the population. Public property is essentially the same thing as private property in a society where no one respects private property. No one will put any effort improving or maintaining the public property because any efforts that one person puts in can be immediately looted by someone else. Why bother sowing seed, improving soil, or building a structure if when you return the next day, the &#8220;public&#8221; ate the crop, ruined the soil, and dismantled the structure for the raw materials? Even if some law passed that said no one can dismantle that structure, it means that if you have a better use for the land, you can&#8217;t do anything with it by virtue someone else did something different.</p>
<p>Americans and Europeans are used to seeing public land as a positive, like parks. This is mainly because we had a lengthy period of time where public lands were effectively abolished, particularly in America where we didn&#8217;t have a long entrenched royal class that made the whole country public land. With such a giant buildup of private land to allow for capital to form and be used, we haven&#8217;t felt the negative effects of the government gobbling up the remaining land and labeling it public because we didn&#8217;t have any use for it at the time. This is why we have places like Yellowstone or Central Park and any attempts by the Haitian government, even if we transplanted our entire government apparatus there to manage it, would immediately fail.</p>
<p>The reason we have a Central Park here and that Haiti would cut down all the trees and eat all the animals in the zoo is because capitalism is, surprising to most people, environmentally friendly. The entire concept of capitalism is doing more with less. The more you produce, the fewer resources used, the less garbage created and thrown away (I see CO2 going up the stack as lost money, I paid for the materials that are making CO2 and I have better things to do than throw away money, and would love to find a way to capture it and use it for something productive, plenty of businessmen agree with me), the higher the profits go. If all 310 million of us were expected to subsist on the same level of Haiti, we&#8217;d take up tremendous amounts more land, deforest large stretches of our wilderness (fun fact, capitalism in the form of tree farming saved the California Redwood), and pollute to such a degree that the native in those old commercials would die of dehydration from all the crying. Haiti is a far more disgusting place than America despite their lack of all the water heaters and dishwashers that are supposedly destroying the environment.</p>
<p>Government property is the worst of both worlds. It&#8217;s land that is removed from the private sector that can be used for something productive and is effectively blocked from even the most meager of public land usage. In a country like Haiti, maintainance of government property would require a sufficient capital base to avoid completely driving the populace into steep poverty, which is a contributing factor to the problems in Haiti. As noted in the main article, the Haitian regime (no matter how benevolent and well intending the leaders may be) still needs funding to operate. Remember, government doesn&#8217;t do anything of value and requires confiscation to operate. The excess production in Haiti is so poor that government effectively has to take anything above and beyond basic subsistence to exist, which creates the problem noted by Jeffrey as anything that can be expected to be used for capital formation is removed to fund government operations. Even &#8220;proper&#8221;, &#8220;good&#8221;, or as socialists like to pretent, &#8220;competent&#8221; government would run into this problem. Haiti is in such a poor shape that the presence of any government at all ensures the nation will forever be poor. The Haitian people don&#8217;t produce enough above and beyond their own survival to be burdened with a large, unproductive expense like government. The only reason the US can even have a government that doesn&#8217;t immediately drive the population into poverty is because we effectively didn&#8217;t have one for 150 years, one that had any dealings with most of the people and one that, for the most part, never confiscated capital accumulation (ie no income tax) for operation. This allowed us the necessary capital growth to produce in such immense quantities we can hand over 50% of our real production to government (combined local, state, and federal spending is over 50% of our economy) and still have so much left over we can afford luxuries. </p>
<p>Not that government is a good thing even with the resource base to support it, I&#8217;d rather not hand over half my annual salary (either directly or through sales taxes) to an entity whose only purpose is to justify someone else not contributing (welfare) or spending that to hire people to tell me what I can&#8217;t do with the 50% that&#8217;s left (regulation).</p>
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		<title>By: J. Murray</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-779254</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 10:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The locavore movement has a rather large contingent that believes larger operations exist to subsidize the locavore movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The locavore movement has a rather large contingent that believes larger operations exist to subsidize the locavore movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-779216</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 05:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you mean commons or do you mean public (government) property?

The former is cool. The latter is a contradiction in terms and can be terribly repressive to poor people trying to scratch by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean commons or do you mean public (government) property?</p>
<p>The former is cool. The latter is a contradiction in terms and can be terribly repressive to poor people trying to scratch by.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-779208</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 04:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if you pay for the local food and that allows the local restaurant to buy a fridge? Buying things from Haiti provides a benefit to Haitians... your sensitivity does no one any good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you pay for the local food and that allows the local restaurant to buy a fridge? Buying things from Haiti provides a benefit to Haitians&#8230; your sensitivity does no one any good.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-779195</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to lugnut:
why? perhaps it&#039;s unrealistic to expect that haitians adopt a western legal system, and voodoo is the system that best suits the indigenous people. each to his own.
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/01/20/haiti-anarchism-one-cheer-for-voodoo/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to lugnut:<br />
why? perhaps it&#8217;s unrealistic to expect that haitians adopt a western legal system, and voodoo is the system that best suits the indigenous people. each to his own.<br />
<a href="http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/01/20/haiti-anarchism-one-cheer-for-voodoo/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/01/20/haiti-anarchism-one-cheer-for-voodoo/</a></p>
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		<title>By: coturnix19</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16877/when-capital-is-nowhere-in-view/comment-page-1/#comment-779193</link>
		<dc:creator>coturnix19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 03:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! This repeats, almost word-in-word an old joke from soviet union, albeit with a bit different punchline.
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On a street, a salesman sells beer from a motorized barrel. An old man comes by, and asks
&#039;How much for a beer?&#039;, - &#039;0.1 rubl&#039; -&#039;here, take 200 rubl, I purchase the whole barrel. Then, the old man proclaims out loud &#039;Free beer, get you free beer&#039;. A crowd starts to gather, as everyone tries to get free beer, eventually tension arises and people start to fight. Soon, police arrives and tries to pacify the crowd. Policeman asks the old man &#039;What&#039;s going on here?&#039; - &#039;I was giving beer for free&#039; - &#039;Why would you do that?&#039; - &#039;You see, I am an old man, retired, i figured I will not live long enough to experience communism, so i decided to see what it would be like&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! This repeats, almost word-in-word an old joke from soviet union, albeit with a bit different punchline.<br />
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On a street, a salesman sells beer from a motorized barrel. An old man comes by, and asks<br />
&#8216;How much for a beer?&#8217;, &#8211; &#8217;0.1 rubl&#8217; -&#8217;here, take 200 rubl, I purchase the whole barrel. Then, the old man proclaims out loud &#8216;Free beer, get you free beer&#8217;. A crowd starts to gather, as everyone tries to get free beer, eventually tension arises and people start to fight. Soon, police arrives and tries to pacify the crowd. Policeman asks the old man &#8216;What&#8217;s going on here?&#8217; &#8211; &#8216;I was giving beer for free&#8217; &#8211; &#8216;Why would you do that?&#8217; &#8211; &#8216;You see, I am an old man, retired, i figured I will not live long enough to experience communism, so i decided to see what it would be like&#8217;<br />
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