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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16713/who-authors-a-baseball-game/comment-page-1/#comment-796992</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good job ignoring the word &#039;investors&#039; in your argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job ignoring the word &#8216;investors&#8217; in your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanmind</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16713/who-authors-a-baseball-game/comment-page-1/#comment-776863</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 00:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What they should do is break all ties with Auburn University and found a private economics institute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they should do is break all ties with Auburn University and found a private economics institute.</p>
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		<title>By: jcalton</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16713/who-authors-a-baseball-game/comment-page-1/#comment-776825</link>
		<dc:creator>jcalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 23:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who authored the Zapruder film? Oh, right, Zapruder.
If someone goes out and spends $300,000 on equipment and $30,000 on salary to shoot and edit a performance, then they own whatever they recorded. 
So that&#039;s who the author is. That&#039;s a straw man rhetorical question. 

You, who spent nothing on it and contributed no labor to it, don&#039;t own THEIR footage, obviously.
The players who are the subject of the work already signed their rights to that footage away  (presumably voluntarily for millions of dollars), so there&#039;s no issues there.

The question is (as you allude to) what&#039;s fair use.
If you bootleg a concert, do you own that recording?
Or can I film a game from the top of a building across the street, or a hot air balloon? Would I then be the author and own that video? [In anarchy, yes, of course.]

How much can you show of their clips and still be fair use?

Discarding between-innings stuff, the game itself might be 120 minutes. If you only count when the ball is in play (when game events generally occur, i.e., when it&#039;s legal to steal a base and ), it&#039;s far less than that, maybe 90 minutes.
So 30 seconds of a 100-120 minute game might be 0.4% of the entire work.
How many paragraphs in a book? Let&#039;s say 1000. So if you reprint 2 paragraphs of 1000, that&#039;s 0.2%.
Seems more than fair.

What I wonder is...what if it was a murder mystery and all you quoted was the 2 paragraph whodunnit conclusion of the book?
What if all you showed was the scoring in a 1-0 game (taking 30 seconds or less)? Isn&#039;t that 100% of the whole &quot;game&quot; in one sense?

P.S. U.S. IP law is crap. That should go without saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who authored the Zapruder film? Oh, right, Zapruder.<br />
If someone goes out and spends $300,000 on equipment and $30,000 on salary to shoot and edit a performance, then they own whatever they recorded.<br />
So that&#8217;s who the author is. That&#8217;s a straw man rhetorical question. </p>
<p>You, who spent nothing on it and contributed no labor to it, don&#8217;t own THEIR footage, obviously.<br />
The players who are the subject of the work already signed their rights to that footage away  (presumably voluntarily for millions of dollars), so there&#8217;s no issues there.</p>
<p>The question is (as you allude to) what&#8217;s fair use.<br />
If you bootleg a concert, do you own that recording?<br />
Or can I film a game from the top of a building across the street, or a hot air balloon? Would I then be the author and own that video? [In anarchy, yes, of course.]</p>
<p>How much can you show of their clips and still be fair use?</p>
<p>Discarding between-innings stuff, the game itself might be 120 minutes. If you only count when the ball is in play (when game events generally occur, i.e., when it&#8217;s legal to steal a base and ), it&#8217;s far less than that, maybe 90 minutes.<br />
So 30 seconds of a 100-120 minute game might be 0.4% of the entire work.<br />
How many paragraphs in a book? Let&#8217;s say 1000. So if you reprint 2 paragraphs of 1000, that&#8217;s 0.2%.<br />
Seems more than fair.</p>
<p>What I wonder is&#8230;what if it was a murder mystery and all you quoted was the 2 paragraph whodunnit conclusion of the book?<br />
What if all you showed was the scoring in a 1-0 game (taking 30 seconds or less)? Isn&#8217;t that 100% of the whole &#8220;game&#8221; in one sense?</p>
<p>P.S. U.S. IP law is crap. That should go without saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Some dude</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16713/who-authors-a-baseball-game/comment-page-1/#comment-776589</link>
		<dc:creator>Some dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 03:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve often wondered about that. Yes with professional sports, but especially with college sports and the Olympics. A college game is two college teams playing each other. It is a news event. Free press!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered about that. Yes with professional sports, but especially with college sports and the Olympics. A college game is two college teams playing each other. It is a news event. Free press!</p>
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		<title>By: Ohhh Henry</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16713/who-authors-a-baseball-game/comment-page-1/#comment-776392</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohhh Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You might be tempted to respond that Major League Baseball itself is the author. But that mangles the definition of “author” beyond recognition. MLB is the exhibitor. There is no author, because one cannot “author” a spontaneous live exhibition.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Their defense of copyright in this case may be a form of Labor Theory of Value argument - they are not being creative in any way but they invested substantial amounts in the TV equipment, salaries, etc. Therefore (they would argue) they &quot;must&quot; be owed money by anyone who manages to watch any part of the show that they produced.  They would of course argue for the price to be based on the amount of their investment, and not on the price which most people in the market would be actually willing to pay - especially the people at the margin who are merely consuming highlight clips on a casual basis who probably would be willing to pay exactly $0 for the privilege.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You might be tempted to respond that Major League Baseball itself is the author. But that mangles the definition of “author” beyond recognition. MLB is the exhibitor. There is no author, because one cannot “author” a spontaneous live exhibition.</p></blockquote>
<p>Their defense of copyright in this case may be a form of Labor Theory of Value argument &#8211; they are not being creative in any way but they invested substantial amounts in the TV equipment, salaries, etc. Therefore (they would argue) they &#8220;must&#8221; be owed money by anyone who manages to watch any part of the show that they produced.  They would of course argue for the price to be based on the amount of their investment, and not on the price which most people in the market would be actually willing to pay &#8211; especially the people at the margin who are merely consuming highlight clips on a casual basis who probably would be willing to pay exactly $0 for the privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Swaringen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Swaringen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The platforms they are using for putting out the information aren&#039;t unlimited, so as far as the classes themselves if they were to offer them completely free there might be too many in some classes.  So it&#039;s partly management of supply and demand.

Also, this barrier keeps out some people who aren&#039;t serious or might just join to be disruptive.  You might pay to disrupt, but it&#039;s a lot less likely.

LvMI many times puts out the video of the first lecture and commonly posts some of the presentation material.  And of course almost if not all the books used in the classes are made freely available.

I&#039;m not quite in a position myself where I&#039;ve been able to attend a class, because until recently I was the only one working.  So I understand your argument about our price elasticity of demand.  It&#039;s certainly not that I wouldn&#039;t like to attend some of the classes, but I don&#039;t mind waiting until I feel a little better about my personal circumstances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The platforms they are using for putting out the information aren&#8217;t unlimited, so as far as the classes themselves if they were to offer them completely free there might be too many in some classes.  So it&#8217;s partly management of supply and demand.</p>
<p>Also, this barrier keeps out some people who aren&#8217;t serious or might just join to be disruptive.  You might pay to disrupt, but it&#8217;s a lot less likely.</p>
<p>LvMI many times puts out the video of the first lecture and commonly posts some of the presentation material.  And of course almost if not all the books used in the classes are made freely available.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite in a position myself where I&#8217;ve been able to attend a class, because until recently I was the only one working.  So I understand your argument about our price elasticity of demand.  It&#8217;s certainly not that I wouldn&#8217;t like to attend some of the classes, but I don&#8217;t mind waiting until I feel a little better about my personal circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or, you could go ahead and charge for the classes, then post them online for free for those of us whose price elasticity of demand doesn&#039;t match your elasticity of supply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, you could go ahead and charge for the classes, then post them online for free for those of us whose price elasticity of demand doesn&#8217;t match your elasticity of supply.</p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know I love you guys to death, so don&#039;t take this as a major criticism, but I was wondering why you charge for the Mises Institute courses. Why aren&#039;t they free?After all, you are a non-profit and survive from donations. Why not make the courses free as you have made the literature and web site free? Set a max of say 200 students, record the lessons and put them on line for the rest of us to watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I love you guys to death, so don&#8217;t take this as a major criticism, but I was wondering why you charge for the Mises Institute courses. Why aren&#8217;t they free?After all, you are a non-profit and survive from donations. Why not make the courses free as you have made the literature and web site free? Set a max of say 200 students, record the lessons and put them on line for the rest of us to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commenting on the recent NFL labor strife that has been discussed here, Shannon Sharpe said &quot;Ribba-bloobbleep, huh-huh, scrubba dubba, Howie Howie, rebba-blubba Pocket Hercules to tha house-ablubba blabba. Word.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenting on the recent NFL labor strife that has been discussed here, Shannon Sharpe said &#8220;Ribba-bloobbleep, huh-huh, scrubba dubba, Howie Howie, rebba-blubba Pocket Hercules to tha house-ablubba blabba. Word.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16713/who-authors-a-baseball-game/comment-page-1/#comment-776359</link>
		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t the person who operated the camera be the author of the clip, the same way a photographer is the author of photos he takes of a building (rather than the architect)? Perhaps sports shots are generic enough that they are more like scans of classic artistic works, merely a record of facts rather than something artfully arranged, and thus not even subject to copyright.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the person who operated the camera be the author of the clip, the same way a photographer is the author of photos he takes of a building (rather than the architect)? Perhaps sports shots are generic enough that they are more like scans of classic artistic works, merely a record of facts rather than something artfully arranged, and thus not even subject to copyright.</p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[S.M. Oliva,
Thank you for bringing sport into the economic discussion. I am an anarchist and I LOVE sports. The two things are not mutually exclusive.  

One interesting aspect of MLB&#039;s absurd policy is how they are hurting their game.  Take as contrast, the NBA&#039;s approach to video highlights. Not only can you find highlights from the NBA posted instantly on YouTube, but you can watch ENTIRE past games on YouTube.  Want to relive the Lakers-Celtics clashes of the 1980&#039;s?  They&#039;re on YouTube.  Game 5 of the 1993 Bulls-Knicks series (the famous Charles Smith game?)  On YouTube, in its entirety.

The NBA has embraced the digital revolution. The MLB has fought it.  It&#039;s no surprise that the NBA&#039;s popularity among the youth, not only in America but globally, is surging, while the MLB is suffering.

Recently, NBA commissioner David Stern was on a podcast hosted by ESPN&#039;s Bill Simmons. Simmons, taking the usual economically-ignorant approach, wondered why anyone would go to a game anymore?  There are HDTV&#039;s, Internet packages, streaming highlights, etc. 

Stern said he used to feel the same way, but now he realizes that the live game is actually a different product. Ha! He sounded like Jeffrey Tucker schooling us on ebooks versus traditional books!

So keep up the great work. Your analysis of the NFL lockout was fantastic and I have heard nothing close to it at my usual stops, even the hardcore sites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.M. Oliva,<br />
Thank you for bringing sport into the economic discussion. I am an anarchist and I LOVE sports. The two things are not mutually exclusive.  </p>
<p>One interesting aspect of MLB&#8217;s absurd policy is how they are hurting their game.  Take as contrast, the NBA&#8217;s approach to video highlights. Not only can you find highlights from the NBA posted instantly on YouTube, but you can watch ENTIRE past games on YouTube.  Want to relive the Lakers-Celtics clashes of the 1980&#8242;s?  They&#8217;re on YouTube.  Game 5 of the 1993 Bulls-Knicks series (the famous Charles Smith game?)  On YouTube, in its entirety.</p>
<p>The NBA has embraced the digital revolution. The MLB has fought it.  It&#8217;s no surprise that the NBA&#8217;s popularity among the youth, not only in America but globally, is surging, while the MLB is suffering.</p>
<p>Recently, NBA commissioner David Stern was on a podcast hosted by ESPN&#8217;s Bill Simmons. Simmons, taking the usual economically-ignorant approach, wondered why anyone would go to a game anymore?  There are HDTV&#8217;s, Internet packages, streaming highlights, etc. </p>
<p>Stern said he used to feel the same way, but now he realizes that the live game is actually a different product. Ha! He sounded like Jeffrey Tucker schooling us on ebooks versus traditional books!</p>
<p>So keep up the great work. Your analysis of the NFL lockout was fantastic and I have heard nothing close to it at my usual stops, even the hardcore sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice read. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice read. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nielsio</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16713/who-authors-a-baseball-game/comment-page-1/#comment-776306</link>
		<dc:creator>Nielsio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that freedom is not won on technicalities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that freedom is not won on technicalities.</p>
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