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		<title>By: Barry Linetsky</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-777422</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Linetsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel:

Thanks for taking the time to write this outstanding and scholarly essay. I found it highly readable and very illuminating as a summary of issues spread across three Mises books. I&#039;m sure it will be a valuable reference article for students of Mises&#039; thought for a long, long, time.

Barry Linetsky
Toronto]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel:</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to write this outstanding and scholarly essay. I found it highly readable and very illuminating as a summary of issues spread across three Mises books. I&#8217;m sure it will be a valuable reference article for students of Mises&#8217; thought for a long, long, time.</p>
<p>Barry Linetsky<br />
Toronto</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-775397</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that for the Congressman William Lacy Clay to acknowledge the argument put forth by Mr. Thomas DiLorenzo, would be a contradiction in his understanding as to where he actually receives his own income. 
If the Government were to admit that Austrian economics be adopted would put and end to their own looting of the system. The populace needs to get informed.

The Best of Times]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that for the Congressman William Lacy Clay to acknowledge the argument put forth by Mr. Thomas DiLorenzo, would be a contradiction in his understanding as to where he actually receives his own income.<br />
If the Government were to admit that Austrian economics be adopted would put and end to their own looting of the system. The populace needs to get informed.</p>
<p>The Best of Times</p>
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		<title>By: Bala</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774876</link>
		<dc:creator>Bala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 05:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. It can also mean &quot;People are stupid. Period.&quot; It could also mean &quot;People are stupid. Beware of what they say&quot;. 

You are therefore drawing false conclusions. In fact, if you read his next line, he talks of why you cannot &#039;trust&#039; public opinion. &#039;Trust&#039; for what? That should show you the error in your conclusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. It can also mean &#8220;People are stupid. Period.&#8221; It could also mean &#8220;People are stupid. Beware of what they say&#8221;. </p>
<p>You are therefore drawing false conclusions. In fact, if you read his next line, he talks of why you cannot &#8216;trust&#8217; public opinion. &#8216;Trust&#8217; for what? That should show you the error in your conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One implies the other. If people are stupid, then they need someone to lead them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One implies the other. If people are stupid, then they need someone to lead them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bala</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774719</link>
		<dc:creator>Bala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Answering both your questions, completely and not at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answering both your questions, completely and not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Labeit</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774707</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Labeit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder to what extent mathematical economics is invalid. Can&#039;t for instance the laws of supply and demand be expressed as functions with or without the aid of calculus?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder to what extent mathematical economics is invalid. Can&#8217;t for instance the laws of supply and demand be expressed as functions with or without the aid of calculus?</p>
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		<title>By: Bala</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774638</link>
		<dc:creator>Bala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 02:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your judgement appears incorrect. He does imply that people are very stupid but does not imply that they need a small elite group to lead them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your judgement appears incorrect. He does imply that people are very stupid but does not imply that they need a small elite group to lead them.</p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774571</link>
		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not calling you a socialist, but you think like one: the people are too stupid and need a smart elite group to lead them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not calling you a socialist, but you think like one: the people are too stupid and need a smart elite group to lead them.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774527</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except your own understanding of the very term &quot;a priori&quot; is incomplete, and you are criticising it by pointing to the consequences of its postulates without demonstrating why they are wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except your own understanding of the very term &#8220;a priori&#8221; is incomplete, and you are criticising it by pointing to the consequences of its postulates without demonstrating why they are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774524</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why comment if you don&#039;t even know what you&#039;re talking about? Look up the definition of &quot;a priori&quot;. It pertains to the MODE of justification of knowledge, not the means of acquiring it. I mean you could learn this by just googling the term, nevermind doing a Philosophy course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why comment if you don&#8217;t even know what you&#8217;re talking about? Look up the definition of &#8220;a priori&#8221;. It pertains to the MODE of justification of knowledge, not the means of acquiring it. I mean you could learn this by just googling the term, nevermind doing a Philosophy course.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M. F. Catalán</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan M. F. Catalán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron,

Once we&#039;re talking about explaining empirical events we are talking about history.  Whether a particular theory agrees with the empirical evidence can&#039;t tell you whether or not the theory is valid; it just isn&#039;t applicable.  It&#039;s not just about controlled experiments, but also of being able to dissect every individual piece of datum that makes up the evidence, given that historical events tend to be very complex.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>Once we&#8217;re talking about explaining empirical events we are talking about history.  Whether a particular theory agrees with the empirical evidence can&#8217;t tell you whether or not the theory is valid; it just isn&#8217;t applicable.  It&#8217;s not just about controlled experiments, but also of being able to dissect every individual piece of datum that makes up the evidence, given that historical events tend to be very complex.</p>
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		<title>By: Bala</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774485</link>
		<dc:creator>Bala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ItOE was definitely extremely illuminating. I am yet to lay my hands on David Harriman&#039;s book, though. I will take your cue and go for it. Whatever little I have read or heard from him makes a lot of sense :)

Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ItOE was definitely extremely illuminating. I am yet to lay my hands on David Harriman&#8217;s book, though. I will take your cue and go for it. Whatever little I have read or heard from him makes a lot of sense <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess we can see here a misconception of &#039;a priori,&#039; as though Mises was speaking of a separate universe from actual existence or experience. &#039;Before experience&#039; as an English translation does not quite convey what Mises meant. It might be better to speak of thinking &#039;apart from&#039; specific events or occurrences. 

A priori does not mean one&#039;s thinking is apart from reality; after all, even abstract thinking is an experience of its own, albeit an &#039;experience&#039; that can be made to apply to a variety of different situations, e.g. business cycle theory applicability to the Great Depression and the 2000s housing bubble, among other historical events.

The point is that even empiricists require their logical frameworks by which to understand the world; facts must correspond to such logical frameworks for a theory to be considered sound. No matter what empirical basis you have, you will always have to argue your point on the basis of a certain interpretation, i.e. a framework apart from specific events.

Experience can only provide us with the variables that make up a problem, but it is only through logical deduction apart from specific examples that these variables are made sensible. Hence the a priori approach. 

Are you serious about rejecting subjective valuation? How can you even get around the contradictions of other value theories without recognizing subjectivity? And the matter of anarchism and IP are not related to the issues at hand. 

When it comes to epistemology and metaphysics, Rothbard and Rand were quite similar: they believed in a literal &#039;free will,&#039; for one thing, as though human choices were isolated events from other phenomena in the universe. Both also had a more &#039;objective&#039; view of the world, in comparison to Mises&#039; Kantian orientation, hence a significantly more shallow philosophy of Rand (e.g. incessant proclaiming of &#039;A is A,&#039; as if non-contradiction was being disputed at all by Kant). 

And in spite of Rothbard&#039;s praise of &#039;Theory and history,&#039; I doubt he grasped its philosophical premises, as seems to be the case in the &#039;Economic controversies&#039; compilation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we can see here a misconception of &#8216;a priori,&#8217; as though Mises was speaking of a separate universe from actual existence or experience. &#8216;Before experience&#8217; as an English translation does not quite convey what Mises meant. It might be better to speak of thinking &#8216;apart from&#8217; specific events or occurrences. </p>
<p>A priori does not mean one&#8217;s thinking is apart from reality; after all, even abstract thinking is an experience of its own, albeit an &#8216;experience&#8217; that can be made to apply to a variety of different situations, e.g. business cycle theory applicability to the Great Depression and the 2000s housing bubble, among other historical events.</p>
<p>The point is that even empiricists require their logical frameworks by which to understand the world; facts must correspond to such logical frameworks for a theory to be considered sound. No matter what empirical basis you have, you will always have to argue your point on the basis of a certain interpretation, i.e. a framework apart from specific events.</p>
<p>Experience can only provide us with the variables that make up a problem, but it is only through logical deduction apart from specific examples that these variables are made sensible. Hence the a priori approach. </p>
<p>Are you serious about rejecting subjective valuation? How can you even get around the contradictions of other value theories without recognizing subjectivity? And the matter of anarchism and IP are not related to the issues at hand. </p>
<p>When it comes to epistemology and metaphysics, Rothbard and Rand were quite similar: they believed in a literal &#8216;free will,&#8217; for one thing, as though human choices were isolated events from other phenomena in the universe. Both also had a more &#8216;objective&#8217; view of the world, in comparison to Mises&#8217; Kantian orientation, hence a significantly more shallow philosophy of Rand (e.g. incessant proclaiming of &#8216;A is A,&#8217; as if non-contradiction was being disputed at all by Kant). </p>
<p>And in spite of Rothbard&#8217;s praise of &#8216;Theory and history,&#8217; I doubt he grasped its philosophical premises, as seems to be the case in the &#8216;Economic controversies&#8217; compilation.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RS:

You&#039;re a commenter of a rare sort here--just plain full of shit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RS:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a commenter of a rare sort here&#8211;just plain full of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774418</link>
		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and you are of course, expressing this idea, as something that you arrived at logically!?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and you are of course, expressing this idea, as something that you arrived at logically!?!</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that may be true, but it is based on a corrupted epistemology so even though their predictions are accurate and apply very well practically their broader generalizations suffer because of it and dont actally reflect reality. subjective valueation theory is just one example and the rothbardian aversion to intellectual property and its penchant for anarchy is a direct consequence of that corruption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that may be true, but it is based on a corrupted epistemology so even though their predictions are accurate and apply very well practically their broader generalizations suffer because of it and dont actally reflect reality. subjective valueation theory is just one example and the rothbardian aversion to intellectual property and its penchant for anarchy is a direct consequence of that corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, I do. particuarly her views expressed in her Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology as well as David Harrimans new book The Logical Leap, Induction in Physics. I found that one to be very illuminating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I do. particuarly her views expressed in her Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology as well as David Harrimans new book The Logical Leap, Induction in Physics. I found that one to be very illuminating.</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In the case of Helen Keller, how could she have even begun to have an understanding of the world, when she had yet to know of what it consisted? It’s like expecting someone to know the Pythagorean theorem without knowing what lines and angles are.&quot;

Yes, that was my point. Knowledge of reality can only come from reality, which one acquires via data gathered from the senses. There is no such thing as &quot;apriori&quot; knowledge if you mean that you can somehow gain knowledge prior to any sensory experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the case of Helen Keller, how could she have even begun to have an understanding of the world, when she had yet to know of what it consisted? It’s like expecting someone to know the Pythagorean theorem without knowing what lines and angles are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, that was my point. Knowledge of reality can only come from reality, which one acquires via data gathered from the senses. There is no such thing as &#8220;apriori&#8221; knowledge if you mean that you can somehow gain knowledge prior to any sensory experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But you do need to imagine a cube in order to realize that. Your imagination is perfectly valid as evidence. To the extent that it is accurate, that is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you do need to imagine a cube in order to realize that. Your imagination is perfectly valid as evidence. To the extent that it is accurate, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bala</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16574/mises-on-mind-and-method/comment-page-1/#comment-774160</link>
		<dc:creator>Bala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 03:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point. I have personally always been uncomfortable with the concept &#039;a priori&#039;. Your example (of Hellen Keller) is always the one that forces me to question the validity of the notion of &#039;a priori&#039; as it has been explained in this article. Even non-contradiction is a concept grasped by the cognitive faculty by processing the perceptual material provided by the senses. I find Rand&#039;s approach to these (epistemological) matters decidedly superior to the one that has been presented in this article. I suspect you do too (going by your past comments on various threads).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. I have personally always been uncomfortable with the concept &#8216;a priori&#8217;. Your example (of Hellen Keller) is always the one that forces me to question the validity of the notion of &#8216;a priori&#8217; as it has been explained in this article. Even non-contradiction is a concept grasped by the cognitive faculty by processing the perceptual material provided by the senses. I find Rand&#8217;s approach to these (epistemological) matters decidedly superior to the one that has been presented in this article. I suspect you do too (going by your past comments on various threads).</p>
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