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Source link: http://archive.mises.org/16507/got-an-ice-maker-feel-very-guilty/

Got an ice maker? Feel very guilty

April 15, 2011 by

Time Magazine, which is still contributing to CO2 emissions by printing its publication, says that truly green-friendly people will use ice trays, not ice makers. (Actually, they should live in caves, but that’s another subject). The Department of Energy is already taking aim in the form of tightened energy standards. Commentary on this nonsense here, and also some interesting charts that reveal the relationship between economic growth and CO2. That emissions are falling so dramatically in the United States is not necessarily good news. Still on the list of other things that government is targeting: indoor plumbing, soap that works, bug-killing chemicals, drain openers, and good medicines over the counter. Everything we love the government hates.


Rg73 April 15, 2011 at 10:23 am

What do you mean “soap that works?” All soap works. Also, what do you mean by “good medicines?” We can’t even buy a lot of “good medicines” over the counter. Yes, I suppose the government is trying to limit access to some over the counter medications–Robitussin for example. But even then it isn’t exactly clear that dextromethorphan, or it’s metabolite dextrorphan, are particularly effective in cough suppression. I suppose you should be able to buy a useless product if you want and then drink gallons of it so that you can hallucinate if you want too. But neither the government, nor the buying public, actually understands what real efficacy is in these types of products.

Stefano April 15, 2011 at 10:56 am

Sudafed. Pseuophedrine, rather. Have you bought any of that lately?

Matt J. April 15, 2011 at 3:14 pm

Phenylephrine, the pseudoephedrine replacement, does nothing for me. I have to submit an I.D. and fill out a form any time I want to relieve congestion now. Of course, that has given rise to a new meth sub-market that has led to an increase in meth production.

“In response, meth producers have recruited large numbers of intermediaries, including their friends, relatives, college students, and even children and the homeless. These recruits buy the cold medicine and can sell it to the labs for a 500 percent profit. A review by the Associated Press shows that thousands of people are being lured into this drug trade. “Law enforcement was surprised,” St. Louis County Sgt. Tom Murley said. “People that normally wouldn’t cross the line are willing to do so because they think it’s such a sweet deal, and because of the economy.”"

Nice work, government. The only person truly restrained and inconvenienced is me.

nate-m April 17, 2011 at 2:11 am

Government is the one that makes ‘victimless’ crime profitable.

In other words: To get rid of the drug problem you first need to get rid of the drug war. It’s a self perpetuating war. The only real victims are everybody; with the exceptions except for of some criminals, law enforcement employees, and government officials.

Jeffrey Tucker April 15, 2011 at 11:47 am

i’ve not written the article yet but regulations are wrecking laundry soap.

Nate April 15, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Dishwasher detergent too. Ever since I’ve had to buy the phosphate-free stuff, lots of my dishes are never clean after a single run. I have to run each load twice or re-wash the dirty dishes by hand, both of which consume resources that I would not have had to consume if the detergent worked the way it used to.

Seattle April 15, 2011 at 3:26 pm

I think Jeff wrote something on that in his book. Not sure if it was ever posted on the site though.

vontrapp April 15, 2011 at 1:23 pm

California banned phosphates in dishwasher soap. Many states (including mine, Utah) followed suit. Now dishes come out scummy, icky white filmy. But then Utah reversed it. I hope to God that this doesn’t become a federal thing…

Nan in Cal April 15, 2011 at 10:30 am

@Rg73 Moms usually know if their child is coughing less or not. Call it a sense of hearing or mother’s intuition… but generally, we can tell if something is helping a cough or not.

As to ice-makers being on govt. hit lists… over my cold (dead?) glass of sweet tea!

Randy April 15, 2011 at 11:03 am

This is another example of intentionally misleading statistics by environmentalists.

How much is saved by not having to open the entire door if there is a dispenser? How much is saved not having to open the door and refill ice cube trays?

vontrapp April 15, 2011 at 1:26 pm

Randy, great point! And… how much is wasted if I buy a restaurant stile floor ice maker if I can’t get one in my fridge/freezer? Those things are designed to crank out ice for continual use, and don’t store it well. So I’d be turning it on and off, shoveling ice into the freezer, opening and closing the door, and each time I turn the icemaker back on, it would be all warm and have to crank the temp on the freezing elements all the way back down again! How wasteful is that? But it’s what I will do if I can’t get a freezer with an icemaker!!

Andrew Mills April 15, 2011 at 11:21 am

Really? Everything the people love government hates? National parks. The title of this blog gives a hint to it’s content. Before we get rid of our ice makers, perhaps we should get rid of the extra fridge in the garage.

shannon April 15, 2011 at 11:40 am

Re: Andrew Mills

Perhaps we should get rid of our extra fridge. But wouldn’t it be preferable to make that decision for yourself instead of having it mandated by the state? It is up to you has a person who “gives a crap” to convince others of your superior opinion through persuasion. If you indeed have a valid argument then others will see it your way. Not everyone, of course, but YOU can make a difference, and without coercion.

It may take a considerable amount of your time and energy to perform a study and provide open data that is convincing, but I may listen, and you may change my mind. And if you really care so much, it seems you would consider it worthy of your time. On the other hand if you just say “the government should do something about these horrible people with EXTRA refrigerators” and advocate restricting individual freedom because of your “enlightened” opinion, then I have no respect for you and I may even dismiss your opinion without much consideration.

Empower yourself, understand that you are a significant person who can make positive change all by yourself. Do not seek to wield the brutal unjust power of the state, instead convince others, inspire them with you enthusiasm. This is exactly my reaction to many posters on this site who value freedom and seek to protect it.

Seattle April 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm

I hate national parks.

Daniel April 15, 2011 at 4:09 pm

Nuke Yellowstone

Unleash its caldera

Ball April 17, 2011 at 12:04 am

Government hates you having fun at national parks, unless you like LEOs driving around having out tickets for bullshit.

I have $125 in fines pending, and no, it’s impossible to fight unless you happen to live in the same area you happen to visit.

I can’t WAIT for those MFers to go on furlough!

Albert Gallatin April 15, 2011 at 11:25 am

Yes, all soaps work, they just don’t all work equally well now that certain chemicals in them are regulated (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/another-triumph-greens_536862.html). The point is that the government limits your choices via arbitrary and (more likely) because of lobbyists greasing the way for their products (http://mises.org/daily/2827)

typos April 15, 2011 at 6:06 pm

I guess I shouldn’t let the regulators know that while I use an ice cube tray, the ice cubes daily go into a large bowl of water, which I use to quickly cool my pan morning oatmeal. Yes, it’s just to cool it because I don’t want to wait ten minutes for it to cool on its own. Hold on, there’s a knock at the door…

Ken August 4, 2011 at 11:22 am

I use ice trays instead of an ice maker, but it’s my choice (I evaluate ice makers as “catastrophic water leak waiting to happen”), not the state’s.

Edit to add: Upon reflection, I wonder whether ice maker service lines now come with the fail-safe valve the service lines on my kitchen sink use. For a couple of bucks extra, it has already saved our proverbial bacon once.

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