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	<title>Comments on: CNBC Says Pay Your &#8220;Fair&#8221; Share</title>
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		<title>By: Ned Netterville</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772907</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Netterville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 04:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Betsy Quack&#039;s report says, the &quot;tax gap&quot; is $300 billion.  If those &quot;tax deniers,&quot; as the IRS calls them,  were each &quot;cheating&quot; the government out of, let us say, $10 thousand on average, that would mean there  are 30 million such tax deniers engaged in the sport of stiffing Uncle Sam. Since 30 million individuals are far too many for me to contact individually, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate them one and all. As for the 136 million taxpayers who had to pay an extra $2200 to fill the gap, I would like to say this: Bwahahahahahaha! T.S., dummies! Next year join the revolt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy Quack&#8217;s report says, the &#8220;tax gap&#8221; is $300 billion.  If those &#8220;tax deniers,&#8221; as the IRS calls them,  were each &#8220;cheating&#8221; the government out of, let us say, $10 thousand on average, that would mean there  are 30 million such tax deniers engaged in the sport of stiffing Uncle Sam. Since 30 million individuals are far too many for me to contact individually, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate them one and all. As for the 136 million taxpayers who had to pay an extra $2200 to fill the gap, I would like to say this: Bwahahahahahaha! T.S., dummies! Next year join the revolt.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom Fighter</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772852</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom Fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How are they going to make you pay up if you don&#039;t have money, don&#039;t have assets and don&#039;t have a job ?

If they throw you in jail, it will cost them.

Right now, I owe money but I&#039;m unemployed. I hope to get a job soon and when I do, I will pay my tax account plus interest penalties for paying late. But until I&#039;m employed, I just can&#039;t pay, LOL !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are they going to make you pay up if you don&#8217;t have money, don&#8217;t have assets and don&#8217;t have a job ?</p>
<p>If they throw you in jail, it will cost them.</p>
<p>Right now, I owe money but I&#8217;m unemployed. I hope to get a job soon and when I do, I will pay my tax account plus interest penalties for paying late. But until I&#8217;m employed, I just can&#8217;t pay, LOL !</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772817</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the msm is part of the &lt;i&gt;deep state.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the msm is part of the <i>deep state.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Oklahoma Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772809</link>
		<dc:creator>Oklahoma Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 05:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right-if you can get away with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right-if you can get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Do we owe the truth</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772778</link>
		<dc:creator>Do we owe the truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 02:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do we really owe the truth to liars, murderers and thieves?  Not filing isn&#039;t a great option since they force you to do that too.

At least if you can get out on a little I think there&#039;s no problem with it.  If you can get out on a lot so much the better.   Anything they can audit might get you in trouble, and they&#039;ll even monitor facebook/etc. now but if you are willing to take the risk I see no problem.  I want my friends to trust me so I don&#039;t lie to them, I don&#039;t care if the state trusts me if I can avoid it as much as possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we really owe the truth to liars, murderers and thieves?  Not filing isn&#8217;t a great option since they force you to do that too.</p>
<p>At least if you can get out on a little I think there&#8217;s no problem with it.  If you can get out on a lot so much the better.   Anything they can audit might get you in trouble, and they&#8217;ll even monitor facebook/etc. now but if you are willing to take the risk I see no problem.  I want my friends to trust me so I don&#8217;t lie to them, I don&#8217;t care if the state trusts me if I can avoid it as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772765</link>
		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like in school where there&#039;s a bully who steals people&#039;s lunch money. The fair way is for each person to volunteer on a different day to have his money stolen, so that he steals the same amount from everyone. When some kids refuse to be bullied, the other kids rightly get angry at him for not paying his fair share.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like in school where there&#8217;s a bully who steals people&#8217;s lunch money. The fair way is for each person to volunteer on a different day to have his money stolen, so that he steals the same amount from everyone. When some kids refuse to be bullied, the other kids rightly get angry at him for not paying his fair share.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772762</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My thought when watching the program went to this scene in Atlas Shrugged:

&quot;Did you really think we want those laws observed?&quot; said Dr. Ferris. &quot;We want them to be broken. You&#039;d better get it straight that it&#039;s not a bunch of boy scouts you&#039;re up against... We&#039;re after power and we mean it... There&#039;s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren&#039;t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What&#039;s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that&#039;s the system, Mr. Reardon, that&#039;s the game, and once you understand it, you&#039;ll be much easier to deal with.&quot; 

(Ayn Rand&#039;s, &#039;Atlas Shrugged&#039; 1957)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thought when watching the program went to this scene in Atlas Shrugged:</p>
<p>&#8220;Did you really think we want those laws observed?&#8221; said Dr. Ferris. &#8220;We want them to be broken. You&#8217;d better get it straight that it&#8217;s not a bunch of boy scouts you&#8217;re up against&#8230; We&#8217;re after power and we mean it&#8230; There&#8217;s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren&#8217;t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What&#8217;s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that&#8217;s the system, Mr. Reardon, that&#8217;s the game, and once you understand it, you&#8217;ll be much easier to deal with.&#8221; </p>
<p>(Ayn Rand&#8217;s, &#8216;Atlas Shrugged&#8217; 1957)</p>
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		<title>By: El Tonno</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772754</link>
		<dc:creator>El Tonno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep. Pay your fair share because all the warcrap needs to be paid off!

It&#039;s the Sagan Tax: we need billions and billions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Pay your fair share because all the warcrap needs to be paid off!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the Sagan Tax: we need billions and billions.</p>
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		<title>By: McDuffie</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772712</link>
		<dc:creator>McDuffie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tax cheats are heroic (unless they are also politicians).

I was heroic for a time, but chickened out right before the guns came out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax cheats are heroic (unless they are also politicians).</p>
<p>I was heroic for a time, but chickened out right before the guns came out.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772709</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And if you don’t believe it, if you think this is all voluntary, and that if you don’t pay the state won’t care, watch “The American Tax Cheat.”   As the point was made during the broadcast, the IRS already has all your information, the tax collector is just making sure what you file matches the information they already have on you.&quot;

No kidding. I moved from a state that has an income tax to one that doesn&#039;t. I had forgotten I had a tax balance in that previous state of about $800. They raided one of my bank accounts that only had $105. The bank, BofA, which I am no longer with, charged me $100 to send the state $5.

You don&#039;t really own anything in this country. You don&#039;t own your money if it&#039;s in a bank. You don&#039;t own your car. You don&#039;t own your land or house. The government owns it and you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if you don’t believe it, if you think this is all voluntary, and that if you don’t pay the state won’t care, watch “The American Tax Cheat.”   As the point was made during the broadcast, the IRS already has all your information, the tax collector is just making sure what you file matches the information they already have on you.&#8221;</p>
<p>No kidding. I moved from a state that has an income tax to one that doesn&#8217;t. I had forgotten I had a tax balance in that previous state of about $800. They raided one of my bank accounts that only had $105. The bank, BofA, which I am no longer with, charged me $100 to send the state $5.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really own anything in this country. You don&#8217;t own your money if it&#8217;s in a bank. You don&#8217;t own your car. You don&#8217;t own your land or house. The government owns it and you.</p>
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		<title>By: nate-m</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772700</link>
		<dc:creator>nate-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funny thing about Warren Buffet, Blll Gates and these guys that recommend increasing the income tax on the rich... they generally don&#039;t pay that sort of income tax. They pay long-term capital gains tax. 

The difference here is that your looking at 15% tax 

Ordinary income rate &#124; Long-term capital gain rate
10% &#124; 0%
15%	&#124; 0%
25%	&#124; 15%
28% &#124; 15%
33% &#124; 15%
35% &#124; 15%

So Bill G and others tax rate is very close to that of a person that makes $8,400 dollars a year. It&#039;s all very pathetic.  What they are really advocating on CNN and other places is the government making it increasingly difficult for people who are not wealthy to become wealthy. 

I wonder what they would do if Obama and friends decided to put a 40% tax on long term capital gains for people earning more then 5 million a year.

Not that I want that to happen mind you. Income tax should be abolished. If we must have a tax then do it through a consumption tax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing about Warren Buffet, Blll Gates and these guys that recommend increasing the income tax on the rich&#8230; they generally don&#8217;t pay that sort of income tax. They pay long-term capital gains tax. </p>
<p>The difference here is that your looking at 15% tax </p>
<p>Ordinary income rate | Long-term capital gain rate<br />
10% | 0%<br />
15%	| 0%<br />
25%	| 15%<br />
28% | 15%<br />
33% | 15%<br />
35% | 15%</p>
<p>So Bill G and others tax rate is very close to that of a person that makes $8,400 dollars a year. It&#8217;s all very pathetic.  What they are really advocating on CNN and other places is the government making it increasingly difficult for people who are not wealthy to become wealthy. </p>
<p>I wonder what they would do if Obama and friends decided to put a 40% tax on long term capital gains for people earning more then 5 million a year.</p>
<p>Not that I want that to happen mind you. Income tax should be abolished. If we must have a tax then do it through a consumption tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Beefcake the Mighty</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772699</link>
		<dc:creator>Beefcake the Mighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll bet her CNBC co-talking head Elliot Spitzer is nailing her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet her CNBC co-talking head Elliot Spitzer is nailing her.</p>
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		<title>By: Horst Muhlmann</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772696</link>
		<dc:creator>Horst Muhlmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever notice how high she hikes up her skirt when she interviews Warren Buffett?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever notice how high she hikes up her skirt when she interviews Warren Buffett?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772684</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so basically, don&#039;t file taxes, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so basically, don&#8217;t file taxes, right?</p>
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		<title>By: HL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I passed this along to my email buddies and have been getting big &#039;high-five-O&#039;s&quot; all morning.  And some of these guys are dems!  I&#039;m so giddy I think I&#039;ll write one more check for my friends in DC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I passed this along to my email buddies and have been getting big &#8216;high-five-O&#8217;s&#8221; all morning.  And some of these guys are dems!  I&#8217;m so giddy I think I&#8217;ll write one more check for my friends in DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Netterville</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772681</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Netterville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A broad IRS investigation found that a large majority of filers who received income that was not reported to the IRS by third parties did not include such income on their tax returns. Will Rogers was dead center on target when he said: &quot;The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has.&quot; Herman Wouk rightly said, &quot;Income tax returns are the most imaginative fiction being written today.&quot; I am persuaded that everyone who signs an IRS Form 1040 swears to a lie, or would lie if he or she thought the government wouldn&#039;t find them out. No exceptions; all cheaters or wannabe cheaters! Those who squawk the loudest about tax cheats, like Becky Quick, are bound to be cheating a little themselves. Taxation is stealing, but so-called &quot;voluntary&quot; self confession of a tax liability, which is what occurs when one files a 1040, robs the victims of their integrity by making them cheaters, and that is the worst consequence of the federal income tax. Not filing is one&#039;s only option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A broad IRS investigation found that a large majority of filers who received income that was not reported to the IRS by third parties did not include such income on their tax returns. Will Rogers was dead center on target when he said: &#8220;The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has.&#8221; Herman Wouk rightly said, &#8220;Income tax returns are the most imaginative fiction being written today.&#8221; I am persuaded that everyone who signs an IRS Form 1040 swears to a lie, or would lie if he or she thought the government wouldn&#8217;t find them out. No exceptions; all cheaters or wannabe cheaters! Those who squawk the loudest about tax cheats, like Becky Quick, are bound to be cheating a little themselves. Taxation is stealing, but so-called &#8220;voluntary&#8221; self confession of a tax liability, which is what occurs when one files a 1040, robs the victims of their integrity by making them cheaters, and that is the worst consequence of the federal income tax. Not filing is one&#8217;s only option.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772680</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, hang this obsequious bitch. She deserves as much. In some cases, the &quot;messenger&quot; does deserve to be shot when they fully consciously endorse their ridiculous message.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, hang this obsequious bitch. She deserves as much. In some cases, the &#8220;messenger&#8221; does deserve to be shot when they fully consciously endorse their ridiculous message.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772679</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, they may have paid 3.7 billion in taxes, but they didn&#039;t specify where those taxes were paid. the allegations are that they paid no *US* taxes, and that allegation was not so much as addressed, much less rebutted in the article you linked to(which btw is riddled with logical fallacies and misrepresentations, like any such self-promoting article can be expected to contain).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, they may have paid 3.7 billion in taxes, but they didn&#8217;t specify where those taxes were paid. the allegations are that they paid no *US* taxes, and that allegation was not so much as addressed, much less rebutted in the article you linked to(which btw is riddled with logical fallacies and misrepresentations, like any such self-promoting article can be expected to contain).</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I imagine a whiny nasal voice when reading the headline saying &quot;Pay your fair share&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine a whiny nasal voice when reading the headline saying &#8220;Pay your fair share&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: HL</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16506/cnbc-says-pay-your-fair-share/comment-page-1/#comment-772673</link>
		<dc:creator>HL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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