Best,
Jerry

The “hoarding” on TV is an illness. I’ve seen a lot of examples. It has nothing to do with stockpiling useful things like canned food (which goes bad eventually) or guns, gold, ammo, water, batteries, or other useful things.

http://www.coinflation.com

Criminal Penalties: $10k fine and/or 10 years in the big house.

I guess the optional part would be the option to be fined and jailed.

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. – Thomas Jefferson

We don’t have freedom today. There is great national cognitive dissonance regarding our level of enslavement.

The problem with a citizenry that does not understand the basics of constitutions and law is that
it ends up with me having to live in society where my rights are curtailed and infringed upon and
the freedoms of my children and future generations are being ever diminished. This to me, from
citizen ignorance, is intolerable.

Presidential powers are spelled out in the US Constitution. Congress passes laws. No executive
order can direct the executive branch to do anything outside the bounds of the executive’s powers
or the laws Congress passes. That is the framework. Any executive order that is outside the bounds
of the law or constitution is null and void. Marbury v. Madison, 1803 “A law [or executive order]
repugnant to the Constitution is void.” Therefore executive orders and laws are written in a very
careful manner to deceive you and the rest of the public (since you most likely do not understand
the rules of statutory construction) while remaining constitution. I have read much law, most of it
is perfectly constitutional. The problem comes in with the application and execution of the law. The law is mal-applied to areas, people, and circumstances which it rightly does not embrace.

The problem with misunderstanding of law almost always deals with an improper contextual framework. All law is contextual. We begin in the country with unalienable rights. Then we proceed to constitutions which nest within the boundaries of our unalienable rights. Then statutes which nest within the powers granted in the constitutions. Then we have regulations which nest within the “broad framework” of the statutes.

Contextually, the “persons” required to deliver gold to the Federal Reserve (individuals, partnerships, associations, and corporations) were those who were in the executive (since that is
who executive orders are addressed to) who held gold. Contextually, it did not and could not
pertain to any citizen who owned gold since we know (right?!) that citizens have unalienable rights
to acquire, use and dispose of property, including gold. It also did not pertain to anyone who worked for the executive who in their personal capacity held gold. The order’s proper constitutional reach was very limited.

If we look at the Act FDR cited as his authority (Emergency Banking Relief Act of 1933) we find this tidbit, “the term ”State” means any State, Territory, or possession of the United States, and the Canal Zone.” Applying the rules of statutory construction to this definition of the term “state” we find that it has been defined by Congress to mean areas under which Congress has exclusive legislative jurisdiction. Since FDR is issuing an executive order under the authority of this act we know that not only is the order limited to executive employees who in their official capacity hold gold, but it only pertains geographically to the areas above and does not include the 50 states of the Union. Whenever reading Congressional statutes it is important to understand that, “all legislation is prima facie territorial” [American Banana Co. v. U.S. Fruit, 213, U.S. 347 at 357-358]. That means that all Acts of Congress pertain only to their power in territorial areas unless something in the act embraces the 50 states of the union.

Who was required to turn in gold, per the executive order: persons in the executive, who held gold in their official capacity, within the territorial areas Congress controls (D.C, Guam, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana Trust Islands, military forts, docks, arsenals, etc…).

Nothing in the definition of executive orders you pasted above holds any water for a president being able to constitutionally take a citizen’s property. The president cannot override Congress as there are no emergency powers granted to the president (or Congress or the courts) in the Constitution. He does not have limitless power, pure BS. He and the rest of government would like us to think so. Where would he get that power in constitutional republic? He can only get it from us. We know that order for the internment of Japanese was unconstitutional. FDR was a traitor to his oath and country buy that act.

Executive Orders

In times of emergency, the president can override congress and issue executive orders with almost limitless power. Abraham Lincoln used an executive order in order to fight the Civil War, Woodrow Wilson issued one in order to arm the United States just before it entered World War I, and Franklin Roosevelt approved Japanese internment camps during World War II with an executive order. Many other executive orders are on file and could be enacted at any time.
Why such a hard line aganist Americans? You can’t make a point without getting nasty? Also, you are giving me a bad name by using my sign-on. Now all the people here will think it was me. Get a different sign-on and if you don’t want to I will change.

Please see “Farm Bill Follies” at http://mises.org/daily/2662

Here’s a quote:

In the 1930s, legislation was enacted to alter the inevitable economic consequences of progress.

Politicians wanted to help poor farmers who were being squeezed by the increase in productivity and fall in prices. A whole raft of measures was concocted to keep farm prices high.

The correct understanding was that, if supply can be artificially restricted, prices would be propped up.

The various methods included the destruction of massive quantities of crops and millions of head of livestock. While it effectively reduced the supply, it was kind of embarrassing for the government to be seen destroying good food at a time when millions of people were starving in the Great Depression.

The alternate method of enforcing restrictions on amounts a farmer could produce was emphasized. Millions of acres of crops were plowed under. The government also paid farmers not to plant crops, and bought millions of tons of commodities to keep them off the market.