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		<title>By: Vanmind</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-772898</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 03:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah, that ridiculous paragraph is more like romanticism.  &quot;Ooh, the local burger shack was &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; looking for help.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, that ridiculous paragraph is more like romanticism.  &#8220;Ooh, the local burger shack was <i>always</i> looking for help.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vanmind</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-772897</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 03:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Most bums are.&quot;

Name one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most bums are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Name one.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-771496</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s right. They need to work because the only way to get jobs back to the U.S. without using illegal immigrants is to expand the child labor base.  The coming financial-pocalypse is going to send us all back to the middle ages anyway, so they need to work on their job-serfing skills instead of their net-surfing ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right. They need to work because the only way to get jobs back to the U.S. without using illegal immigrants is to expand the child labor base.  The coming financial-pocalypse is going to send us all back to the middle ages anyway, so they need to work on their job-serfing skills instead of their net-surfing ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768553</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not derailing the conversation at all.
People are arguing that because the Constitution says nothing about minimum wage laws, they are unconstitutional. Well, by that logic, marriage is also unconstitutional, as the Constitution says nothing about marriage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not derailing the conversation at all.<br />
People are arguing that because the Constitution says nothing about minimum wage laws, they are unconstitutional. Well, by that logic, marriage is also unconstitutional, as the Constitution says nothing about marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: augusto</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768536</link>
		<dc:creator>augusto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam Smith,

I don&#039;t understand why you are trying to derrail this conversation.

You say &quot;The Constitution says nothing about marriage, either. Does that mean that marriage is unconstitutional?&quot;

Answer: no, marriage, merely defined as a voluntary arrangement between two consenting adults is not unconstitutional. The government imposing a restrictive definition of marriage, on the other hand, can be interpreted as unconstitutional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Smith,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you are trying to derrail this conversation.</p>
<p>You say &#8220;The Constitution says nothing about marriage, either. Does that mean that marriage is unconstitutional?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer: no, marriage, merely defined as a voluntary arrangement between two consenting adults is not unconstitutional. The government imposing a restrictive definition of marriage, on the other hand, can be interpreted as unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768532</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Constitution says nothing about marriage, either.
Does that mean that marriage is unconstitutional?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution says nothing about marriage, either.<br />
Does that mean that marriage is unconstitutional?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768446</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Congress has no constitutional authority to fix prices in the marketplace&quot;
Well, that&#039;s for the Supreme Court to decide (not chums like you or me)
So you’re arguing against years of legal precedent:
Congress writes laws, the Court decides if they are legal.
Just because the Constitution does not have an explicit clause concerning minimum wage laws does not mean they are unconstitutional.
C.F. Marbury v. Madison...
Oh wait, I&#039;m repeating myself...D&#039;oh!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Congress has no constitutional authority to fix prices in the marketplace&#8221;<br />
Well, that&#8217;s for the Supreme Court to decide (not chums like you or me)<br />
So you’re arguing against years of legal precedent:<br />
Congress writes laws, the Court decides if they are legal.<br />
Just because the Constitution does not have an explicit clause concerning minimum wage laws does not mean they are unconstitutional.<br />
C.F. Marbury v. Madison&#8230;<br />
Oh wait, I&#8217;m repeating myself&#8230;D&#8217;oh!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768443</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FF, it seems to me that you misinterpreted my post.
I inquired how one would teach to hard work despite unemployment.
Nothing in there about parents having kids just to send them off to work.
That&#039;s just sick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FF, it seems to me that you misinterpreted my post.<br />
I inquired how one would teach to hard work despite unemployment.<br />
Nothing in there about parents having kids just to send them off to work.<br />
That&#8217;s just sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768439</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re talking about how to better do basic chores. Doesn&#039;t seem like much room for new ideas and creativity.
While I commend you for your dedication to efficiency (the military needs it) I have to point out that your creativity and new ideas are limited to a previously established set of tasks.
Your drill sergeant (just like Danny&#039;s manager at McD&#039;s) only cares about the degree of efficiency with which tasks are completed. He will not ask for your creative input, though it&#039;s likely he bestow on you a leadership role.
Good luck at basic training--you will be an asset to your platoon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re talking about how to better do basic chores. Doesn&#8217;t seem like much room for new ideas and creativity.<br />
While I commend you for your dedication to efficiency (the military needs it) I have to point out that your creativity and new ideas are limited to a previously established set of tasks.<br />
Your drill sergeant (just like Danny&#8217;s manager at McD&#8217;s) only cares about the degree of efficiency with which tasks are completed. He will not ask for your creative input, though it&#8217;s likely he bestow on you a leadership role.<br />
Good luck at basic training&#8211;you will be an asset to your platoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Clem</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768416</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael A. Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which doesn&#039;t explain why minimum wage increases are just catching up with low-end wages.  Or why so many workers earn more than minimum.  Same old, tired assertions without anything to back it up.
And if the Fed would stop inflating the money supply, we would see deflation, and workers wouldn&#039;t need such a high nominal wage to cover their expenses and more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which doesn&#8217;t explain why minimum wage increases are just catching up with low-end wages.  Or why so many workers earn more than minimum.  Same old, tired assertions without anything to back it up.<br />
And if the Fed would stop inflating the money supply, we would see deflation, and workers wouldn&#8217;t need such a high nominal wage to cover their expenses and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Beal</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768415</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was district wide policy. Every school within 30 minutes of my house had the same policy. To get into a school in another district would require a different set of paperwork that would usually get &quot;lost&quot; by the district administrators. They took their monopoly status very seriously and protected themselves vigorously against allowing students to leave. Also, at that time I was a statist republican, so I didn&#039;t have as much of a problem with it as I do now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was district wide policy. Every school within 30 minutes of my house had the same policy. To get into a school in another district would require a different set of paperwork that would usually get &#8220;lost&#8221; by the district administrators. They took their monopoly status very seriously and protected themselves vigorously against allowing students to leave. Also, at that time I was a statist republican, so I didn&#8217;t have as much of a problem with it as I do now.</p>
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		<title>By: billwald</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768411</link>
		<dc:creator>billwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minimum wage sets the floor in the race to the bottom of the food chain. What is the lowest pay you would accept in today&#039;s market if there was no minimum wage?

How low could wages get before stealing looked like a better deal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minimum wage sets the floor in the race to the bottom of the food chain. What is the lowest pay you would accept in today&#8217;s market if there was no minimum wage?</p>
<p>How low could wages get before stealing looked like a better deal?</p>
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		<title>By: billwald</title>
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		<dc:creator>billwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, quit school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, quit school.</p>
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		<title>By: JFF</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768346</link>
		<dc:creator>JFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[::rolls eyes::

Tom Woods, please pick up the white courtesy phone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>::rolls eyes::</p>
<p>Tom Woods, please pick up the white courtesy phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Zorg</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768344</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Article 1 section 8 gives Congress the authority to make laws.&quot;

According to the supposed delegated powers, genius, not by whim.
Congress has no constitutional authority to fix prices in the marketplace. That
interferes with basic rights such as the right to contract. 

Funny that you would pick &quot;Adam Smith.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Article 1 section 8 gives Congress the authority to make laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to the supposed delegated powers, genius, not by whim.<br />
Congress has no constitutional authority to fix prices in the marketplace. That<br />
interferes with basic rights such as the right to contract. </p>
<p>Funny that you would pick &#8220;Adam Smith.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom Fighter</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768343</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom Fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a LOT of room for new ideas and creativity even in basic training.

I plan on memorizing by heart, in advance, the list of all military equipment that I will have to handle during basic training. I plan on obtaining, in advance, detailed information about the rooms, beds, room equipment and inspection standards before I get to basic training.

Therefore, I will already establish a room inspection checklist, categorized by order of priority, to make sure that when I have to do my room, I can pass the inspection.

Also, I am working on a folding ruler with four 12&quot; sides that will snap together to make a 12&quot; x 12&quot; frame in order to have a template to quickly fold my clothes 12&quot; x 12&quot;. When I&#039;m done folding my clothes, I unsnap the ruler and hide it beneath my bed.

I plan to teach those things to the entire platoon beginning on day one. You can be creative in how you do those things. If you cannot be creative in what you have to accomplish, you can still be creative in how you accomplish it and therefore accomplish it faster, cheaper and better.

Hence, Danny Boy&#039;s sales pitch sentence and my folding ruler and inspection checklist.

Why most recruits fail at room inspection is because they don&#039;t have a detailed, step by step checklist of all the things that must be done, how they must be done and when they must be done in order to have a perfect inspection.

So they miss steps and lose time wandering about the chores.

I plan to develop such a list for myself and the entire platoon prior to my enlistment in basic training.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a LOT of room for new ideas and creativity even in basic training.</p>
<p>I plan on memorizing by heart, in advance, the list of all military equipment that I will have to handle during basic training. I plan on obtaining, in advance, detailed information about the rooms, beds, room equipment and inspection standards before I get to basic training.</p>
<p>Therefore, I will already establish a room inspection checklist, categorized by order of priority, to make sure that when I have to do my room, I can pass the inspection.</p>
<p>Also, I am working on a folding ruler with four 12&#8243; sides that will snap together to make a 12&#8243; x 12&#8243; frame in order to have a template to quickly fold my clothes 12&#8243; x 12&#8243;. When I&#8217;m done folding my clothes, I unsnap the ruler and hide it beneath my bed.</p>
<p>I plan to teach those things to the entire platoon beginning on day one. You can be creative in how you do those things. If you cannot be creative in what you have to accomplish, you can still be creative in how you accomplish it and therefore accomplish it faster, cheaper and better.</p>
<p>Hence, Danny Boy&#8217;s sales pitch sentence and my folding ruler and inspection checklist.</p>
<p>Why most recruits fail at room inspection is because they don&#8217;t have a detailed, step by step checklist of all the things that must be done, how they must be done and when they must be done in order to have a perfect inspection.</p>
<p>So they miss steps and lose time wandering about the chores.</p>
<p>I plan to develop such a list for myself and the entire platoon prior to my enlistment in basic training.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom Fighter</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768341</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom Fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has EVERYTHING to do with what you said. You should raise your child to be all they can be and you should always be there for them.

Diligent can have two meanings: doing your best, become all you can be or the pejorative &quot;get off your butt and go find a job&quot; as if dirty and unappreciated jobs were something to be proud and happy about. I understand that you are not always master of your destiny and sometimes you have to take what comes by.

But don&#039;t neglect your kids, make them become all they can be. If they end up in a shit job, make sure it was not because you neglected them and did not give them all they needed. In that case, if you did everything right, they should not be stuck in that shit job for long.

But if you don&#039;t care about your children and just tell them to get off their buts and go to work, as in getting rid of them, as in belittling and humiliating them, then you are a scumbag of a parent. By &quot;you&quot; I mean such parents, not you personally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has EVERYTHING to do with what you said. You should raise your child to be all they can be and you should always be there for them.</p>
<p>Diligent can have two meanings: doing your best, become all you can be or the pejorative &#8220;get off your butt and go find a job&#8221; as if dirty and unappreciated jobs were something to be proud and happy about. I understand that you are not always master of your destiny and sometimes you have to take what comes by.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t neglect your kids, make them become all they can be. If they end up in a shit job, make sure it was not because you neglected them and did not give them all they needed. In that case, if you did everything right, they should not be stuck in that shit job for long.</p>
<p>But if you don&#8217;t care about your children and just tell them to get off their buts and go to work, as in getting rid of them, as in belittling and humiliating them, then you are a scumbag of a parent. By &#8220;you&#8221; I mean such parents, not you personally.</p>
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		<title>By: HL</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768339</link>
		<dc:creator>HL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are correct.  The first job can be anything.  My first job was creating spreadsheets for a firm that was pushing alternative energy back in the 80&#039;s.  I was 16. 

Mr. French has previously written about Marcus Buckingham.  I second Mr. French&#039;s recommendation that everyone get a grip on what their talents are and start moving in that direction, pronto.  Don&#039;t waste four years in prison, errr, I mean &quot;high school,&quot; and then four years in college if it ain&#039;t takin&#039; you closer to where you are going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct.  The first job can be anything.  My first job was creating spreadsheets for a firm that was pushing alternative energy back in the 80&#8242;s.  I was 16. </p>
<p>Mr. French has previously written about Marcus Buckingham.  I second Mr. French&#8217;s recommendation that everyone get a grip on what their talents are and start moving in that direction, pronto.  Don&#8217;t waste four years in prison, errr, I mean &#8220;high school,&#8221; and then four years in college if it ain&#8217;t takin&#8217; you closer to where you are going.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/16222/set-kids-free-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-768336</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re arguing against years of legal precedent:
Congress writes laws, the Court decides if they are legal.
Just because the Constitution does not have an explicit clause concerning minimum wage laws does not mean they are unconstitutional.
C.F. Marbury v. Madison for the correct interpretation of Article 3 (judicial review).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re arguing against years of legal precedent:<br />
Congress writes laws, the Court decides if they are legal.<br />
Just because the Constitution does not have an explicit clause concerning minimum wage laws does not mean they are unconstitutional.<br />
C.F. Marbury v. Madison for the correct interpretation of Article 3 (judicial review).</p>
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		<title>By: R Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally I find the idea of fifteen year olds &quot;thinking clearly&quot; ludicrous. True, at fifteen I could think ten times faster, learn ten times faster, than I can at 67. But clearly? Laughable.

I spent 50+ years freeing myself from the religious, philosophical garbage I was brought up with. Only when I finally learned to dump all that and look at the world with open eyes did I advance in my ability to think clearly. Having actual experience with life and the empirical evidence obtained by it also plays an important part. It&#039;s the old &quot;blind men and the elephant&quot; story; one has to come to a full realization that the elephant has many parts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I find the idea of fifteen year olds &#8220;thinking clearly&#8221; ludicrous. True, at fifteen I could think ten times faster, learn ten times faster, than I can at 67. But clearly? Laughable.</p>
<p>I spent 50+ years freeing myself from the religious, philosophical garbage I was brought up with. Only when I finally learned to dump all that and look at the world with open eyes did I advance in my ability to think clearly. Having actual experience with life and the empirical evidence obtained by it also plays an important part. It&#8217;s the old &#8220;blind men and the elephant&#8221; story; one has to come to a full realization that the elephant has many parts.</p>
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