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		<title>By: Bala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 03:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh please!!! Don&#039;t scare me by telling the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please!!! Don&#8217;t scare me by telling the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson Tibbitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson Tibbitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great commentary. There is provocation in your final paragraph, intended or not. Thank you, sir.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great commentary. There is provocation in your final paragraph, intended or not. Thank you, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Believe All Things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believe All Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 00:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Above Juliusz stated:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This article seems to be a bit naive in respect of “people’s will”. I knew few Arabs and ALL of them had heads full of socialist ideas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some mistakenly believe that the Muslim Brotherhood are behind recent events in Egypt. However, upon closer examination a brief &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.believeallthings.com/4958/muslim-brotherhood-history/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;History of the Muslim Brotherhood&lt;/a&gt; reveals that there are other forces at play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above Juliusz stated:</p>
<blockquote><p>This article seems to be a bit naive in respect of “people’s will”. I knew few Arabs and ALL of them had heads full of socialist ideas.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some mistakenly believe that the Muslim Brotherhood are behind recent events in Egypt. However, upon closer examination a brief <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/4958/muslim-brotherhood-history/" rel="nofollow">History of the Muslim Brotherhood</a> reveals that there are other forces at play.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; to alter and abolish the form of government under which they are forced to live. . .&quot;

&quot;. . . and to &lt;b&gt;institute new government,&lt;/b&gt; laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.&quot;

Neither Thomas Jefferson nor the protesters in Freedom Square are so naive as to think you can &quot;alter or abolish&quot; a tyranny and leave nothing in its place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; to alter and abolish the form of government under which they are forced to live. . .&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . and to <b>institute new government,</b> laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither Thomas Jefferson nor the protesters in Freedom Square are so naive as to think you can &#8220;alter or abolish&#8221; a tyranny and leave nothing in its place.</p>
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		<title>By: nate-m</title>
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		<dc:creator>nate-m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; It still takes long, analytical, polished, probing, mature journalism/non fiction eloquence to write as accurate an account of events such as what is unfolding in Egypt as possible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep. Now it&#039;s possible for people to do that without a millions of dollars and a state-sanctioned media outlet.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;And besides, look at the big picture of what is going on. The US is wasting its young blood and its money waging wars in the Middle East, a world-wide economic disaster has spread across continents like a bad plague, illiterates are graduating from schools, and people elect morons to office. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think anything you said is anything new. I think the key difference is the level of awareness we have about what is screwed up in the world. 

Just think back 30 years ago... what sort of coverage would  you of seen about Egypt? 

Would of it been even possible for the Egyption people to decentrally organize themselves in a manner that would of allowed them to combat a dictator in a effective manner?

&lt;blockquote&gt;What is “the Internet” really providing in the midst of all of this, but people–often very intelligent like the ones on this site–screaming back and forth at each other: “I-told-you -so!”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It provides free access to information and unregulated communication between individuals. I don&#039;t give a flying fuck what people post in replied on &#039;news blogs&#039; or foxnews.com or anything like that. I couldn&#039;t give a crap about any of that. The whole Democrat vs Republicans and Liberal vs Conservative bickering is a farce constructed and designed  purposely to keep people from actually examining the statist system objectively. 

To put it another way...

When my father was a child he did not even have indoor plumbing. Spotty electricity, homemade wells, and out houses. A small amount of TV channels that stayed on for only a few moments. Local newspapers only. Etc etc.  This is just in the USA in the late 50&#039;s to the 60&#039;s.

And even up through the early 1990&#039;s only the wealthiest people of the wealthiest nations could afford to live in places that had access to any substantial information. And even then the vast majority of it was out of date by 50 years or more. Any sort of scientific literature was hopelessly behind the times as soon as it wormed it&#039;s way through through the publishing system and made it to the universities. 

Nowadays all you need to have is a reliable internet connection and a grasp of the English language (or other major Language) and you have virtually untapped access to information. Anything you want to know. If you want to know what it is like to live in India or China all you have to do is find somebody to ask. It&#039;s just all depends on your personal ability and drive.  Everything from how to rebuild a motor, purify water, programming, architectural design to the history of economics and liberal thought is out there.  Everything. You just have to go and find it.   If don&#039;t mind breaking a few copyright laws then it opens up even wider. 

Don&#039;t fall for the bullshit that it&#039;s all about Twitter and Facebook. I can head out to &#039;thepiratebay&#039; and hidden behind torrents of &#039;howto please a women&#039; and &#039;unlock your inner potential&#039; style books I can download a reasonably sized library of very serious medical text books and resources.  It&#039;s all out there. You just have to want to take it. It&#039;s yours.

Not to mention the tremendous boon it is to businesses.

The internet is causing a revolution in our society. It&#039;s right up there with gunpowder and the printing press in terms of major advances that have changed human society. I think it&#039;s going to be difficult to overestimate the impact it is having on the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> It still takes long, analytical, polished, probing, mature journalism/non fiction eloquence to write as accurate an account of events such as what is unfolding in Egypt as possible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep. Now it&#8217;s possible for people to do that without a millions of dollars and a state-sanctioned media outlet.  </p>
<blockquote><p>And besides, look at the big picture of what is going on. The US is wasting its young blood and its money waging wars in the Middle East, a world-wide economic disaster has spread across continents like a bad plague, illiterates are graduating from schools, and people elect morons to office. </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anything you said is anything new. I think the key difference is the level of awareness we have about what is screwed up in the world. </p>
<p>Just think back 30 years ago&#8230; what sort of coverage would  you of seen about Egypt? </p>
<p>Would of it been even possible for the Egyption people to decentrally organize themselves in a manner that would of allowed them to combat a dictator in a effective manner?</p>
<blockquote><p>What is “the Internet” really providing in the midst of all of this, but people–often very intelligent like the ones on this site–screaming back and forth at each other: “I-told-you -so!”</p></blockquote>
<p>It provides free access to information and unregulated communication between individuals. I don&#8217;t give a flying fuck what people post in replied on &#8216;news blogs&#8217; or foxnews.com or anything like that. I couldn&#8217;t give a crap about any of that. The whole Democrat vs Republicans and Liberal vs Conservative bickering is a farce constructed and designed  purposely to keep people from actually examining the statist system objectively. </p>
<p>To put it another way&#8230;</p>
<p>When my father was a child he did not even have indoor plumbing. Spotty electricity, homemade wells, and out houses. A small amount of TV channels that stayed on for only a few moments. Local newspapers only. Etc etc.  This is just in the USA in the late 50&#8242;s to the 60&#8242;s.</p>
<p>And even up through the early 1990&#8242;s only the wealthiest people of the wealthiest nations could afford to live in places that had access to any substantial information. And even then the vast majority of it was out of date by 50 years or more. Any sort of scientific literature was hopelessly behind the times as soon as it wormed it&#8217;s way through through the publishing system and made it to the universities. </p>
<p>Nowadays all you need to have is a reliable internet connection and a grasp of the English language (or other major Language) and you have virtually untapped access to information. Anything you want to know. If you want to know what it is like to live in India or China all you have to do is find somebody to ask. It&#8217;s just all depends on your personal ability and drive.  Everything from how to rebuild a motor, purify water, programming, architectural design to the history of economics and liberal thought is out there.  Everything. You just have to go and find it.   If don&#8217;t mind breaking a few copyright laws then it opens up even wider. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fall for the bullshit that it&#8217;s all about Twitter and Facebook. I can head out to &#8216;thepiratebay&#8217; and hidden behind torrents of &#8216;howto please a women&#8217; and &#8216;unlock your inner potential&#8217; style books I can download a reasonably sized library of very serious medical text books and resources.  It&#8217;s all out there. You just have to want to take it. It&#8217;s yours.</p>
<p>Not to mention the tremendous boon it is to businesses.</p>
<p>The internet is causing a revolution in our society. It&#8217;s right up there with gunpowder and the printing press in terms of major advances that have changed human society. I think it&#8217;s going to be difficult to overestimate the impact it is having on the world.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[touché.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>touché.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mitchell
The radicals I was referring to were the Muslim Brotherhood.  Their motto from their website from the founder of the group Hassan al-Banna : God is our purpose, the prophet our leader, the Quran our constitution,, jihad our way and dying for God our objective.  Another quote from same-&quot;it is the nature of Islam to dominate, not be dominated, to impose its law on all nations, and to extend its power to the entire planet&quot;.  Not hearing anything about market reforms or improving individual liberties.  When I hear words like impose, dominate and jihad as the way I don&#039;t think peaceful, do you?  Baradei and his buds aren&#039;t talking about facilitating free and open markets.  Instead they are advocating for religious dictatorship which I am sure will be used to get even with the people they have a grievance against.  Absent US aid in Egypt and not involving itself in the politics of the region, if an Iranian style government was in place there for the past twenty years, do you really think peace would prevail over violence against non-Muslims?
The presence of a dictatorial strongman in the region is a reminder that the world has no interest in calling Islam to task on its human rights failings so that it could peacefully assimilate into the world political scene.  Instead it chooses dump the responsibility of repressing the violence with violence on a single entity(Mubarek) and then complain about the means in which the tenuous detente is achieved.  Easy to blame one man than the governments of the world that continue to stand by and pretend that militant Islam is a microcosm of the religion instead of the substantial political power that it really is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitchell<br />
The radicals I was referring to were the Muslim Brotherhood.  Their motto from their website from the founder of the group Hassan al-Banna : God is our purpose, the prophet our leader, the Quran our constitution,, jihad our way and dying for God our objective.  Another quote from same-&#8221;it is the nature of Islam to dominate, not be dominated, to impose its law on all nations, and to extend its power to the entire planet&#8221;.  Not hearing anything about market reforms or improving individual liberties.  When I hear words like impose, dominate and jihad as the way I don&#8217;t think peaceful, do you?  Baradei and his buds aren&#8217;t talking about facilitating free and open markets.  Instead they are advocating for religious dictatorship which I am sure will be used to get even with the people they have a grievance against.  Absent US aid in Egypt and not involving itself in the politics of the region, if an Iranian style government was in place there for the past twenty years, do you really think peace would prevail over violence against non-Muslims?<br />
The presence of a dictatorial strongman in the region is a reminder that the world has no interest in calling Islam to task on its human rights failings so that it could peacefully assimilate into the world political scene.  Instead it chooses dump the responsibility of repressing the violence with violence on a single entity(Mubarek) and then complain about the means in which the tenuous detente is achieved.  Easy to blame one man than the governments of the world that continue to stand by and pretend that militant Islam is a microcosm of the religion instead of the substantial political power that it really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Sione</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing so attractive to socialist adventurers as other people&#039;s business (except, of course, other people&#039;s money).

Egypt is best left for the Egyptians to deal with I reckon. Interference makes things worse than they would otherwise become.

Sione]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing so attractive to socialist adventurers as other people&#8217;s business (except, of course, other people&#8217;s money).</p>
<p>Egypt is best left for the Egyptians to deal with I reckon. Interference makes things worse than they would otherwise become.</p>
<p>Sione</p>
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		<title>By: augusto</title>
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		<dc:creator>augusto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also in the news: Egyptian youth uses twitter, facebook to organize demonstrations. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also in the news: Egyptian youth uses twitter, facebook to organize demonstrations. <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 00:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to tom:
i agree with your second comment, above. i think it&#039;s a mistake to believe that middle-eastern cultures will transform to become like jeffersonian america, based on individualistic values.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-tunisia-police-20110202,0,3924086.story

on the other hand, the us does meddle in their affairs. better they keep their tyranny on their soil. us keeping out of their hair would be a step in that direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to tom:<br />
i agree with your second comment, above. i think it&#8217;s a mistake to believe that middle-eastern cultures will transform to become like jeffersonian america, based on individualistic values.<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-tunisia-police-20110202,0,3924086.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-tunisia-police-20110202,0,3924086.story</a></p>
<p>on the other hand, the us does meddle in their affairs. better they keep their tyranny on their soil. us keeping out of their hair would be a step in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: A Liberal in Lakeview</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Liberal in Lakeview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The second and third links:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ciogc.org/IMAD-2011/imad2011/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Illinois Muslim ACTION! Day 2011&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zakatchicago.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Central Zakat Committee&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second and third links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ciogc.org/IMAD-2011/imad2011/" rel="nofollow">Illinois Muslim ACTION! Day 2011</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.zakatchicago.com/" rel="nofollow">The Central Zakat Committee</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Liberal in Lakeview</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Liberal in Lakeview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fundamentalist,

You may find it interesting to learn what some Muslims in North America, esp. in Illinois, have been telegraphing to the public about their political plans.

Here in Illinois we have something called The Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago which has openly confessed not only an intent to establish an Islamic state but also their efforts to do so. For an example of the latter: The CIOGC is planning another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ciogc.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Muslim ACTION! Day&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to ingratiate theirselves and young Muslims among the political class of the province.

Alert Christians should have little trouble figuring out what motivated the Muslims of The CIOGC to chose the date that they did for the first ever Muslim ACTION! Day. That one was held on a Thursday in May 2009, about, oh, &lt;b&gt;thirty-nine days&lt;/b&gt; after Easter, as reckoned by Christians of the Latin Ecclesia and those Christians who follow the same, or substantially same, liturgical calendar.

Now, would you care to guess what date was chosen for the “3rd Annual Illinois Muslim ACTION! Day”? How about Wednesday, the 9th of March?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslims from all over Illinois&lt;/a&gt; will drive down to the state capitol to meet with legislators and advocate for a variety of important issues.

Issues:

1. Education
2. Access to Healthcare 
3. Arabic in schools

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The CIOGC is speaking loudly and clearly: We Muslims will erase Christianity from Illinois and substitute our own cult for it.

See also the website of &lt;a href=&quot;www.zakatchicago.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Central Zakat Committee&lt;/a&gt; for &lt;i&gt;The Institution of Zakat&lt;/i&gt;, available for free download in PDF. The CZC, a committee of the CIOGC, not only describes zakat as &quot;one of the five fundamental obligations of Islam&quot; but also informs the reader that 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
in the In the absence of an Islamic State, various Islamic organizations have taken it upon themselves voluntarily to collect and disburse the Zakat in the communities.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It should go without saying that a Muslim is a person who thinks not only that there are five fundamental obligations of Islam but also that there is a fundamental obligation to submit to Islam.

So, while insinuating theirselves into the racket that is Illinoisan politics, the Muslims will build up on the side the machinery of their socialistic redistribution program. But the story gets even better. Read the preamble of Illinois&#039; constitution.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
We, the People of the State of Illinois—&lt;b&gt;grateful to Almighty God&lt;/b&gt; for
the civil, political and religious liberty which He has permitted us to enjoy
and seeking His blessing upon our endeavors—&lt;b&gt;in order to provide for the
health, safety and welfare of the people&lt;/b&gt;; maintain a representative and
orderly government; &lt;b&gt;eliminate poverty and inequality&lt;/b&gt;; assure legal, &lt;b&gt;social
and economic justice&lt;/b&gt;; provide opportunity for the fullest development
of the individual; insure domestic tranquility; provide for the common
defense; and secure the blessings of freedom and liberty to ourselves and
our posterity—do ordain and establish this Constitution for the State of
Illinois.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, how do you like that? Like other provinces of the USA, the State of Illinois is a caring theocracy devoted to &quot;the fullest development of the individual&quot;. Just what an ambitious Islamic statist needs to grease the skids to the paradise of an Islamic state of Illinois. Good thing for the Muslims that the preamble doesn&#039;t have any fleas in it like the phrase &quot;In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity&quot;, as does the Constitution of Ireland. That would an unwelcome complication in their political project.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fundamentalist,</p>
<p>You may find it interesting to learn what some Muslims in North America, esp. in Illinois, have been telegraphing to the public about their political plans.</p>
<p>Here in Illinois we have something called The Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago which has openly confessed not only an intent to establish an Islamic state but also their efforts to do so. For an example of the latter: The CIOGC is planning another <a href="http://www.ciogc.org/" rel="nofollow"><b>Muslim ACTION! Day</b></a> to ingratiate theirselves and young Muslims among the political class of the province.</p>
<p>Alert Christians should have little trouble figuring out what motivated the Muslims of The CIOGC to chose the date that they did for the first ever Muslim ACTION! Day. That one was held on a Thursday in May 2009, about, oh, <b>thirty-nine days</b> after Easter, as reckoned by Christians of the Latin Ecclesia and those Christians who follow the same, or substantially same, liturgical calendar.</p>
<p>Now, would you care to guess what date was chosen for the “3rd Annual Illinois Muslim ACTION! Day”? How about Wednesday, the 9th of March?</p>
<blockquote><p><a href rel="nofollow">Muslims from all over Illinois</a> will drive down to the state capitol to meet with legislators and advocate for a variety of important issues.</p>
<p>Issues:</p>
<p>1. Education<br />
2. Access to Healthcare<br />
3. Arabic in schools</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The CIOGC is speaking loudly and clearly: We Muslims will erase Christianity from Illinois and substitute our own cult for it.</p>
<p>See also the website of <a href="www.zakatchicago.com" rel="nofollow">The Central Zakat Committee</a> for <i>The Institution of Zakat</i>, available for free download in PDF. The CZC, a committee of the CIOGC, not only describes zakat as &#8220;one of the five fundamental obligations of Islam&#8221; but also informs the reader that </p>
<blockquote><p>
in the In the absence of an Islamic State, various Islamic organizations have taken it upon themselves voluntarily to collect and disburse the Zakat in the communities.
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<p>It should go without saying that a Muslim is a person who thinks not only that there are five fundamental obligations of Islam but also that there is a fundamental obligation to submit to Islam.</p>
<p>So, while insinuating theirselves into the racket that is Illinoisan politics, the Muslims will build up on the side the machinery of their socialistic redistribution program. But the story gets even better. Read the preamble of Illinois&#8217; constitution.</p>
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We, the People of the State of Illinois—<b>grateful to Almighty God</b> for<br />
the civil, political and religious liberty which He has permitted us to enjoy<br />
and seeking His blessing upon our endeavors—<b>in order to provide for the<br />
health, safety and welfare of the people</b>; maintain a representative and<br />
orderly government; <b>eliminate poverty and inequality</b>; assure legal, <b>social<br />
and economic justice</b>; provide opportunity for the fullest development<br />
of the individual; insure domestic tranquility; provide for the common<br />
defense; and secure the blessings of freedom and liberty to ourselves and<br />
our posterity—do ordain and establish this Constitution for the State of<br />
Illinois.
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<p>So, how do you like that? Like other provinces of the USA, the State of Illinois is a caring theocracy devoted to &#8220;the fullest development of the individual&#8221;. Just what an ambitious Islamic statist needs to grease the skids to the paradise of an Islamic state of Illinois. Good thing for the Muslims that the preamble doesn&#8217;t have any fleas in it like the phrase &#8220;In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity&#8221;, as does the Constitution of Ireland. That would an unwelcome complication in their political project.</p>
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		<title>By: A Liberal in Lakeview</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Liberal in Lakeview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Statism is after all also a problem in nations without an Islamic heritage.&quot;

Indeed, Abhilash, but please note that I conceded as much with &quot;all experience throughout the world&quot;.

Unfortunately, Mitchell Powell&#039;s remark is misguided and a red herring, too. (Read: &quot;Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Atheists.&quot;) Whether or not Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism are are statist is irrelevant to the conclusion that Egyptians are belabored with bad religion such that the prospects for a good outcome of the currrent revolt are remote. 

Of course, atheism is intrinsically not statist, and Powell&#039;s example of Somalia, if represented accurately by him, tends to support my case, not to undermine it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Statism is after all also a problem in nations without an Islamic heritage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, Abhilash, but please note that I conceded as much with &#8220;all experience throughout the world&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Mitchell Powell&#8217;s remark is misguided and a red herring, too. (Read: &#8220;Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Atheists.&#8221;) Whether or not Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism are are statist is irrelevant to the conclusion that Egyptians are belabored with bad religion such that the prospects for a good outcome of the currrent revolt are remote. </p>
<p>Of course, atheism is intrinsically not statist, and Powell&#8217;s example of Somalia, if represented accurately by him, tends to support my case, not to undermine it.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mitchell,
Fair enough. However, the exodus of people who are non-Muslim from the mideast is fairly substantial due to the incompatibility of other religions with Islam. And given the protesters demands for more Sharia compliant governance in Jordan, Yemen and yes Egypt, it appears to me the proverbial writing is on the wall.  As for the Muslim Brotherhood&#039;s &quot;official&quot; stance on non-violence, I would say that is more for the sake of political expedience than anything else. I would beg you do a bit more research on their influence in the region.  Under Islam I believe the term is &quot;Takyia&quot;.  Saying what the public wants to hear until you get what you really want.   I would prefer to see the expansion of Individual rights, liberty and the free market develop in the region.  Having spent some time in that part of the world, talking and working with Shia, Sunnis and Kurds, I just don&#039;t see how it can happen.  I don&#039;t support any dictator in a position of power but that is exactly what you will end up if a theocracy evolves.  So until the mystical moderate Islamic leader appears and calls for a ban on all the human rights violations that do occur under Sharia influenced governance, I believe that sadly the Egyptians will be stuck with the status quo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitchell,<br />
Fair enough. However, the exodus of people who are non-Muslim from the mideast is fairly substantial due to the incompatibility of other religions with Islam. And given the protesters demands for more Sharia compliant governance in Jordan, Yemen and yes Egypt, it appears to me the proverbial writing is on the wall.  As for the Muslim Brotherhood&#8217;s &#8220;official&#8221; stance on non-violence, I would say that is more for the sake of political expedience than anything else. I would beg you do a bit more research on their influence in the region.  Under Islam I believe the term is &#8220;Takyia&#8221;.  Saying what the public wants to hear until you get what you really want.   I would prefer to see the expansion of Individual rights, liberty and the free market develop in the region.  Having spent some time in that part of the world, talking and working with Shia, Sunnis and Kurds, I just don&#8217;t see how it can happen.  I don&#8217;t support any dictator in a position of power but that is exactly what you will end up if a theocracy evolves.  So until the mystical moderate Islamic leader appears and calls for a ban on all the human rights violations that do occur under Sharia influenced governance, I believe that sadly the Egyptians will be stuck with the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 05:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tom&#039;s conflation of israel and the us is telling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom&#8217;s conflation of israel and the us is telling.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True enough, Nambiar. Indeed, the only government in recent history to engage in a wholesale rejection of statism is a country with a strong Islamic heritage: Somalia. Just as Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Atheists may be anything from libertarians to totalitarians, so also Muslims may fill the whole spectrum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True enough, Nambiar. Indeed, the only government in recent history to engage in a wholesale rejection of statism is a country with a strong Islamic heritage: Somalia. Just as Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Atheists may be anything from libertarians to totalitarians, so also Muslims may fill the whole spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surprise! When you put people in boxes, cut off trade from them, and oppress the heck out of them they tend to elect people hostile to your government! Whoda thunk such a thing?

The case of Hamas is more a predictable reaction to putting people in boxes than it is of democracy. If your goal is to keep people oppressed, of course democracy is a bad idea for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprise! When you put people in boxes, cut off trade from them, and oppress the heck out of them they tend to elect people hostile to your government! Whoda thunk such a thing?</p>
<p>The case of Hamas is more a predictable reaction to putting people in boxes than it is of democracy. If your goal is to keep people oppressed, of course democracy is a bad idea for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, now, Tom. There&#039;s nothing hypocritical about judging a current dictator for his actions while neglecting to be angry about crimes not yet committed by unknown future persons who may or may not come to power.It&#039;s silly of you to call the protesters &quot;a bunch of radicals.&quot; The young secular men who are fed up with the terrorism, and the famed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ashleyb.org/archives/001421.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;photograph&lt;/a&gt; of a stout middle-aged woman with her face uncovered planting a kiss on the right cheek of a soldier in public are not the faces of an Islamo-fascist rebellion.Why would El Baradei reject the endorsement of the Muslim Brotherhood? They officially stand for non-violence, and even if there is the possibility that some of their members do not, they are poised to capture no more than 25% to 30% of the vote in Egypt.Be careful, Tom, or your fear of imagined future events may drive you right into the arms of the brutal dictatorial status quo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now, Tom. There&#8217;s nothing hypocritical about judging a current dictator for his actions while neglecting to be angry about crimes not yet committed by unknown future persons who may or may not come to power.It&#8217;s silly of you to call the protesters &#8220;a bunch of radicals.&#8221; The young secular men who are fed up with the terrorism, and the famed <a href="http://www.ashleyb.org/archives/001421.html" rel="nofollow">photograph</a> of a stout middle-aged woman with her face uncovered planting a kiss on the right cheek of a soldier in public are not the faces of an Islamo-fascist rebellion.Why would El Baradei reject the endorsement of the Muslim Brotherhood? They officially stand for non-violence, and even if there is the possibility that some of their members do not, they are poised to capture no more than 25% to 30% of the vote in Egypt.Be careful, Tom, or your fear of imagined future events may drive you right into the arms of the brutal dictatorial status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: niku</title>
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		<dc:creator>niku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[India is quite free right now, perhaps freer than any other third world country. But the support to liberty is merely political, socialism runs amok in the culture. If liberty falls in the West, it will fall here too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India is quite free right now, perhaps freer than any other third world country. But the support to liberty is merely political, socialism runs amok in the culture. If liberty falls in the West, it will fall here too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 03:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Opposition to Mubarek&#039;s totalitarian control may be well founded.  But it is hypocritical to judge Mubarek as a dictator and then to ignore the dictatorial nature of the Islamic theocracy likely to follow his exit.  What kind of governance did Mubarek suppress?  Honor killings, Jizya(slave tax), hostility to the idea of women&#039;s rights and the violent oppression of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslim religions.  These are integral components to Sharia.  Does anyone out there think this is less totalitarian?  Democracy in an Islamic state is going to result in Islamic governance.  The question them becomes how Islamic?  There are 80 million people in Egypt.  Conservative statistics would have the radical population of that country to be 5 %.  If that is true then where are the moderate candidates? Why are the only choices for leadership dictators or Ayatollahs?  Why is the ordained spokesman for the protests, Baradei not rejecting the endorsement of the Muslim Brotherhood?  Shouldn&#039;t he be avoiding having his Laureate title used as a moderating tool for a bunch of radicals in the middle of the  largest political crisis in the last 100 years?  How about using that Laureate platform to call for the end to honor killings, slave taxes, the repression of women&#039;s rights and the end to religious oppression of Jews, Christians and non-muslims under Islam.  Remove these components from the religion and then a moderate position would actually be possible.  If the Muslim Brotherhood takes control of Egypt the likelihood that other countries with like minded hostilities toward Israel and the USA try and actualize their hatred becomes much more likely.  Revolution is only a good thing if it takes the country to a better place, if it ends up going the way of Iran the only way it is better is for the Mullahs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opposition to Mubarek&#8217;s totalitarian control may be well founded.  But it is hypocritical to judge Mubarek as a dictator and then to ignore the dictatorial nature of the Islamic theocracy likely to follow his exit.  What kind of governance did Mubarek suppress?  Honor killings, Jizya(slave tax), hostility to the idea of women&#8217;s rights and the violent oppression of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslim religions.  These are integral components to Sharia.  Does anyone out there think this is less totalitarian?  Democracy in an Islamic state is going to result in Islamic governance.  The question them becomes how Islamic?  There are 80 million people in Egypt.  Conservative statistics would have the radical population of that country to be 5 %.  If that is true then where are the moderate candidates? Why are the only choices for leadership dictators or Ayatollahs?  Why is the ordained spokesman for the protests, Baradei not rejecting the endorsement of the Muslim Brotherhood?  Shouldn&#8217;t he be avoiding having his Laureate title used as a moderating tool for a bunch of radicals in the middle of the  largest political crisis in the last 100 years?  How about using that Laureate platform to call for the end to honor killings, slave taxes, the repression of women&#8217;s rights and the end to religious oppression of Jews, Christians and non-muslims under Islam.  Remove these components from the religion and then a moderate position would actually be possible.  If the Muslim Brotherhood takes control of Egypt the likelihood that other countries with like minded hostilities toward Israel and the USA try and actualize their hatred becomes much more likely.  Revolution is only a good thing if it takes the country to a better place, if it ends up going the way of Iran the only way it is better is for the Mullahs.</p>
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