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		<title>By: Sione</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-756786</link>
		<dc:creator>Sione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What if by learning to disassemble atoms we can start building them how we want?&quot;

Not on my pocketbook. Those &quot;we&quot; can go beg in the street.

Sione]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What if by learning to disassemble atoms we can start building them how we want?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not on my pocketbook. Those &#8220;we&#8221; can go beg in the street.</p>
<p>Sione</p>
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		<title>By: Prime</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-756760</link>
		<dc:creator>Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Who would pay for a large hadron collider?&quot;

Considering the bureaucratic red tape one would have to endure, and the widespread crowding-out effect of current government spending.... probably no one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who would pay for a large hadron collider?&#8221;</p>
<p>Considering the bureaucratic red tape one would have to endure, and the widespread crowding-out effect of current government spending&#8230;. probably no one.</p>
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		<title>By: thomgonz</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750681</link>
		<dc:creator>thomgonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 03:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well where to begin in this massive circle jerk of hating the government. How about a list of stuff they have invented. 

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/About/Web-en.html  Yes that&#039;s right the part of the interweb that all you non-techies actually use was invented at CERN. They are much more then just a big tube that smashes atoms. 

that leads us into CERN itself (a entity funded by multiple governments which the US is not one of) http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/About/History-en.html pretty much almost everything in modern physics has some roots here. If not outright invented here. 

Now onto the NASA sucks they don&#039;t do nothin&#039; for nobody! Invisible braces, wow I&#039;m sure a lot of people get those every day. I am sure glad I have scratch resistant lens on my glasses. I feel very rested today because I slept on my memory foam matress lastnight. For you baby owners out there (or parents whatever you call them) aren&#039;t you glad you don&#039;t have to stick that thermometer up their butt anymore? Oh yea thanks NASA. Shoe insoles, Improved satellite technology, cordless drills, and water filters. http://curiosity.discovery.com/topic/transportation-science/ten-nasa-inventions.htm 

Now before I get labled a socialist or anything stupid like that. I identify myself as a libertarian but there are certian things that would not be developed in the free market. Who would pay for a large hadron collider? Now you may argue what good is smashing atoms? What if by learning to disassemble atoms we can start building them how we want? We could then have replicators? Well if we did have that then socialism/communism is the form of society that would come about very much like Star Trek.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well where to begin in this massive circle jerk of hating the government. How about a list of stuff they have invented. </p>
<p><a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/About/Web-en.html" rel="nofollow">http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/About/Web-en.html</a>  Yes that&#8217;s right the part of the interweb that all you non-techies actually use was invented at CERN. They are much more then just a big tube that smashes atoms. </p>
<p>that leads us into CERN itself (a entity funded by multiple governments which the US is not one of) <a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/About/History-en.html" rel="nofollow">http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/About/History-en.html</a> pretty much almost everything in modern physics has some roots here. If not outright invented here. </p>
<p>Now onto the NASA sucks they don&#8217;t do nothin&#8217; for nobody! Invisible braces, wow I&#8217;m sure a lot of people get those every day. I am sure glad I have scratch resistant lens on my glasses. I feel very rested today because I slept on my memory foam matress lastnight. For you baby owners out there (or parents whatever you call them) aren&#8217;t you glad you don&#8217;t have to stick that thermometer up their butt anymore? Oh yea thanks NASA. Shoe insoles, Improved satellite technology, cordless drills, and water filters. <a href="http://curiosity.discovery.com/topic/transportation-science/ten-nasa-inventions.htm" rel="nofollow">http://curiosity.discovery.com/topic/transportation-science/ten-nasa-inventions.htm</a> </p>
<p>Now before I get labled a socialist or anything stupid like that. I identify myself as a libertarian but there are certian things that would not be developed in the free market. Who would pay for a large hadron collider? Now you may argue what good is smashing atoms? What if by learning to disassemble atoms we can start building them how we want? We could then have replicators? Well if we did have that then socialism/communism is the form of society that would come about very much like Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: Sione</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750427</link>
		<dc:creator>Sione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony

Science?  You mean engineering, surely?  Engineering development payed for by investors and entrepreneurs and the like.

Sione]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony</p>
<p>Science?  You mean engineering, surely?  Engineering development payed for by investors and entrepreneurs and the like.</p>
<p>Sione</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750305</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fundamentalist,

You typed that comment on a computer that requires a great deal of science to produce... no amount of &quot;tinkering&quot; can produce the kind of miniaturization needed for a PC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fundamentalist,</p>
<p>You typed that comment on a computer that requires a great deal of science to produce&#8230; no amount of &#8220;tinkering&#8221; can produce the kind of miniaturization needed for a PC.</p>
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		<title>By: A Liberal in Lakeview</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Liberal in Lakeview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 05:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvay_Conference

The Solvay conferences on physics and chemistry were begun by Ernest Solvay, the Belgian who developed a process for making soda ash, and were responsible, in part, for development of the quantum theory, among other advances.

In brief, what Solvay did was bring together great minds to see what fruits could be obtained by directing their attention to outstanding problems. Note all the famous names who attended: Planck, Einstein, Lorentz, Rutherford, Bohr, Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Curie, Pauli, Dirac, and so on. 

The table marked &quot;Solvay conferences on physics&quot; reveals a pecular pattern: Long gaps between conferences which coincide with two major wars, both started by governments, of course. So not only did government not sponsor these importance conferences but also it got in the way. Then, once the problems of quantum theory were worked out, government proceded to exploit the new knowledge by sucking talent and resources away from potentially beneficial lines of work and directing these toward the development of nuclear weapons and other such wasteful technologies.

Indeed, &quot;we have seen how the public funding of science tends to distort its results&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvay_Conference" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvay_Conference</a></p>
<p>The Solvay conferences on physics and chemistry were begun by Ernest Solvay, the Belgian who developed a process for making soda ash, and were responsible, in part, for development of the quantum theory, among other advances.</p>
<p>In brief, what Solvay did was bring together great minds to see what fruits could be obtained by directing their attention to outstanding problems. Note all the famous names who attended: Planck, Einstein, Lorentz, Rutherford, Bohr, Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Curie, Pauli, Dirac, and so on. </p>
<p>The table marked &#8220;Solvay conferences on physics&#8221; reveals a pecular pattern: Long gaps between conferences which coincide with two major wars, both started by governments, of course. So not only did government not sponsor these importance conferences but also it got in the way. Then, once the problems of quantum theory were worked out, government proceded to exploit the new knowledge by sucking talent and resources away from potentially beneficial lines of work and directing these toward the development of nuclear weapons and other such wasteful technologies.</p>
<p>Indeed, &#8220;we have seen how the public funding of science tends to distort its results&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silverhandorder</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750253</link>
		<dc:creator>Silverhandorder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MBH that is rather off topic? Why did you not send him email or something? Is there an ulterior motive?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MBH that is rather off topic? Why did you not send him email or something? Is there an ulterior motive?</p>
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		<title>By: Edgaras</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750219</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgaras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and nobody knows exactly what is &quot;enough&quot;... :( Is it bigger or smaller? Is it for eevryone or just elite?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and nobody knows exactly what is &#8220;enough&#8221;&#8230; <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  Is it bigger or smaller? Is it for eevryone or just elite?</p>
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		<title>By: Edgaras</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750218</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgaras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If mister Gore did create the internets, then we owe him a royalties... after all, twas his idea ;(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If mister Gore did create the internets, then we owe him a royalties&#8230; after all, twas his idea ;(</p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750215</link>
		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS, read Hayek&#039;s &quot;Counter-revolution in Science&quot; and you&#039;ll see why socialists have a fetish for science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS, read Hayek&#8217;s &#8220;Counter-revolution in Science&#8221; and you&#8217;ll see why socialists have a fetish for science.</p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750214</link>
		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The history of techonology alone should be enough to prove that the state doesn&#039;t need to fund it. Science didn&#039;t begin to contribute to economic growth until roughly WWII. Before, almost all technological advancement came from engineers, mechanics and tinkerers. And the contributions of pure science since WWII have been very small. 

Pure scientific research should be funded by philanthropy, just as the opera is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The history of techonology alone should be enough to prove that the state doesn&#8217;t need to fund it. Science didn&#8217;t begin to contribute to economic growth until roughly WWII. Before, almost all technological advancement came from engineers, mechanics and tinkerers. And the contributions of pure science since WWII have been very small. </p>
<p>Pure scientific research should be funded by philanthropy, just as the opera is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750173</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 05:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;enough&quot; is the amount that would be generated without government interventions...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;enough&#8221; is the amount that would be generated without government interventions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 04:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is &quot;enough&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is &#8220;enough&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750155</link>
		<dc:creator>David C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 01:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One additional thought, I don&#039;t think the free market really can provide enough research when it is taxed and regulated heavily.    That&#039;s probably why the government feels compelled to pump money back in to prop up R&amp;D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One additional thought, I don&#8217;t think the free market really can provide enough research when it is taxed and regulated heavily.    That&#8217;s probably why the government feels compelled to pump money back in to prop up R&amp;D</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750144</link>
		<dc:creator>David C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 00:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I not the only one who thinks LVMI should think of offering non statist science courses and academics.   Especially in the areas of environmental science, social sciences, and history. fields that are typically completely co-opted by the state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I not the only one who thinks LVMI should think of offering non statist science courses and academics.   Especially in the areas of environmental science, social sciences, and history. fields that are typically completely co-opted by the state.</p>
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		<title>By: BioTube</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750138</link>
		<dc:creator>BioTube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 00:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, no, no - Al Gore &lt;i&gt;created&lt;/i&gt; the internet - it&#039;s the difference between baby blue and periwinkle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, no &#8211; Al Gore <i>created</i> the internet &#8211; it&#8217;s the difference between baby blue and periwinkle.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I left a reply but it&#039;s somehow fallen under the awaiting moderation category. It has a bunch of links in it, that&#039;s probably why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a reply but it&#8217;s somehow fallen under the awaiting moderation category. It has a bunch of links in it, that&#8217;s probably why.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Murray</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750128</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 23:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the Xerox stuff:

http://www.parc.com/about/milestones.html/

Goddard:

http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/gal100/goddard.htm

Teflon:

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&amp;NR=2230654&amp;KC=&amp;FT=E

Aerogels (this one is hilarious as it was invented on a bet):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel

X-Rays:

http://books.google.com/books?id=hYVrAAAAMAAJ&amp;dq=isbn:0674833392&amp;cd=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the Xerox stuff:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parc.com/about/milestones.html/" rel="nofollow">http://www.parc.com/about/milestones.html/</a></p>
<p>Goddard:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/gal100/goddard.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/gal100/goddard.htm</a></p>
<p>Teflon:</p>
<p><a href="http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&#038;NR=2230654&#038;KC=&#038;FT=E" rel="nofollow">http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&#038;NR=2230654&#038;KC=&#038;FT=E</a></p>
<p>Aerogels (this one is hilarious as it was invented on a bet):</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel</a></p>
<p>X-Rays:</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=hYVrAAAAMAAJ&#038;dq=isbn:0674833392&#038;cd=1" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=hYVrAAAAMAAJ&#038;dq=isbn:0674833392&#038;cd=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kules</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750124</link>
		<dc:creator>Kules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, J.Murray should provide sources. The reader can then judge if what he claims is accurate.And if all that he claims is true then there are a whole new set of arguments that Free-Marketers are going to win against Statists.And that&#039;s a good thing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, J.Murray should provide sources. The reader can then judge if what he claims is accurate.And if all that he claims is true then there are a whole new set of arguments that Free-Marketers are going to win against Statists.And that&#8217;s a good thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Walt D.</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/15259/the-myth-of-under-provision-of-science-by-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750121</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 23:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;My favorite is that everyone assumes that DARPAnet was the origins of the Internet&quot;
I thought it was invented by Al Gore! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My favorite is that everyone assumes that DARPAnet was the origins of the Internet&#8221;<br />
I thought it was invented by Al Gore! <img src='http://archive.mises.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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