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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730350</link>
		<dc:creator>Reflex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More context on medieval Spain and the Jews:
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/deadlyenemy.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More context on medieval Spain and the Jews:<br />
<a href="http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/deadlyenemy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/deadlyenemy.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fallon</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730245</link>
		<dc:creator>Fallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But like the Bible or the Constitution, the Qu&#039;ran may be said to mean almost anything in the hands of those that have already decided for political vs. economic action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But like the Bible or the Constitution, the Qu&#8217;ran may be said to mean almost anything in the hands of those that have already decided for political vs. economic action.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin OB</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730242</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin OB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My main point was not that Muslim domination was particularly cruel. My point is that it was indeed Muslim DOMINATION, not an valid example peaceful coexistence. The Koran allows Muslims to let Jews and Christians keep their religion, as long as it is clear who is the boss (dhimmitude), but not to coexist and respect them as equals in a secular society, to tolerate their &quot;sins&quot; , much less to accept the fate of Muslims as a powerless minority without making plans of conquest. That would go against the duty of Jihad.  Also, &quot;idolaters&quot; or atheists would never be tolerated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main point was not that Muslim domination was particularly cruel. My point is that it was indeed Muslim DOMINATION, not an valid example peaceful coexistence. The Koran allows Muslims to let Jews and Christians keep their religion, as long as it is clear who is the boss (dhimmitude), but not to coexist and respect them as equals in a secular society, to tolerate their &#8220;sins&#8221; , much less to accept the fate of Muslims as a powerless minority without making plans of conquest. That would go against the duty of Jihad.  Also, &#8220;idolaters&#8221; or atheists would never be tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohhh Henry</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730218</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohhh Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 04:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Institutionalized second-class citizens and imposed a head tax, eh?  Sounds evil.  A more enlightened regime would have &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tortured unbelievers, confiscated their property and expelled them&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;blockquote&gt;There are numerous records of the opinion of ordinary Spaniards of the time that “the Inquisition was devised simply to rob people. “They were burnt only for the money they had,’ a resident of Cuenca averred. “They burn only the well-off,” said another. In 1504 an accused stated, “only the rich were burnt.” …In 1484…Catalina de Zamora was accused of asserting that “this Inquisition that the fathers are carrying out is as much for taking property from the conversos as for defending the faith. “It is the goods that are the heretics.” This saying passed into common usage in Spain. In 1524 a treasurer informed Charles V that his predessor had received ten million ducats from the conversos, but the figure is unverified. In 1592 an inquisitor admitted that most of the fifty women he arrested were rich.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not praising, justifying or defending any of the actions of the Islamic government of Al-Andalus - I&#039;m sure they were a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering bastards - like all governments.  But if you think that whatever that particular government did to people 500 years ago has &lt;b&gt;anything&lt;/b&gt; to do with what the US government should do to Muslims, or Jews or anybody at all, then please give your head a shake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Institutionalized second-class citizens and imposed a head tax, eh?  Sounds evil.  A more enlightened regime would have <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition" rel="nofollow">tortured unbelievers, confiscated their property and expelled them</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>There are numerous records of the opinion of ordinary Spaniards of the time that “the Inquisition was devised simply to rob people. “They were burnt only for the money they had,’ a resident of Cuenca averred. “They burn only the well-off,” said another. In 1504 an accused stated, “only the rich were burnt.” …In 1484…Catalina de Zamora was accused of asserting that “this Inquisition that the fathers are carrying out is as much for taking property from the conversos as for defending the faith. “It is the goods that are the heretics.” This saying passed into common usage in Spain. In 1524 a treasurer informed Charles V that his predessor had received ten million ducats from the conversos, but the figure is unverified. In 1592 an inquisitor admitted that most of the fifty women he arrested were rich.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not praising, justifying or defending any of the actions of the Islamic government of Al-Andalus &#8211; I&#8217;m sure they were a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering bastards &#8211; like all governments.  But if you think that whatever that particular government did to people 500 years ago has <b>anything</b> to do with what the US government should do to Muslims, or Jews or anybody at all, then please give your head a shake.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730214</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 04:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[careful. you may finish in the oubliette with talk like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>careful. you may finish in the oubliette with talk like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt D.</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730213</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 03:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lew:
&quot; The ancestors of modern Jews were driven out of Palestine by force . It was a long time ago, but that’s how it happened. It was not their choice to leave. That’s not to say the Zionists are right, but they also have some valid arguments.&quot;
How should we apply the libertarian idea of homesteading here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lew:<br />
&#8221; The ancestors of modern Jews were driven out of Palestine by force . It was a long time ago, but that’s how it happened. It was not their choice to leave. That’s not to say the Zionists are right, but they also have some valid arguments.&#8221;<br />
How should we apply the libertarian idea of homesteading here?</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730208</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Spain was great unless you weren&#039;t a Muslim, then you were an institutionalized second-class citizen. The incredibly scary thing is that this, along with China, are the example my liberal professors admire and preach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Spain was great unless you weren&#8217;t a Muslim, then you were an institutionalized second-class citizen. The incredibly scary thing is that this, along with China, are the example my liberal professors admire and preach.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i liked the last ditch&#039;s obituaries on sobran.  lvmi&#039;s, whilst affectionate, carefully made no mention of a certain line of inquiry that finished his career. it&#039;s a bit disappointing, frankly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i liked the last ditch&#8217;s obituaries on sobran.  lvmi&#8217;s, whilst affectionate, carefully made no mention of a certain line of inquiry that finished his career. it&#8217;s a bit disappointing, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: Beefcake the Mighty</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730206</link>
		<dc:creator>Beefcake the Mighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 01:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks newson, fascinating stuff there.  Re. The Last Ditch, here&#039;s a sample of the great commentary:

&quot;I&#039;m not too exercised by the Ground Zero Mosque in particular, but I do have an answer for the liberals and other establishmentarians who impatiently ask opponents of the project how far away from Ground Zero the thing should be built. My thought is, at least three thousand miles.&quot;

and then

&quot;Veteran readers of TLD wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see me also answer &quot;at least three thousand miles&quot; if anyone were to ask me how far the military of the U.S. Empire should stay away from Mohammedan countries.
For that matter, I&#039;d like to see the legions stay at least three thousand miles away from our own country.&quot;

at the Stop and Think section of the website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks newson, fascinating stuff there.  Re. The Last Ditch, here&#8217;s a sample of the great commentary:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not too exercised by the Ground Zero Mosque in particular, but I do have an answer for the liberals and other establishmentarians who impatiently ask opponents of the project how far away from Ground Zero the thing should be built. My thought is, at least three thousand miles.&#8221;</p>
<p>and then</p>
<p>&#8220;Veteran readers of TLD wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see me also answer &#8220;at least three thousand miles&#8221; if anyone were to ask me how far the military of the U.S. Empire should stay away from Mohammedan countries.<br />
For that matter, I&#8217;d like to see the legions stay at least three thousand miles away from our own country.&#8221;</p>
<p>at the Stop and Think section of the website.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 00:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to beekcake the mighty:
thanks, i&#039;ll have a look. you, in turn, might find this of interest:
http://bit.ly/bNFiXs
now i am beginning to understand why perhaps bodrum, turkey wouldn&#039;t be such a bad place after all to set up a libertarian foundation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to beekcake the mighty:<br />
thanks, i&#8217;ll have a look. you, in turn, might find this of interest:<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/bNFiXs" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bNFiXs</a><br />
now i am beginning to understand why perhaps bodrum, turkey wouldn&#8217;t be such a bad place after all to set up a libertarian foundation.</p>
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		<title>By: Beefcake the Mighty</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730033</link>
		<dc:creator>Beefcake the Mighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a brilliant take on the balance between libertarianism and racial realities (including recognition of the fact that while Islam is wholly incompatible with the traditions of the West, the war in Mesopotamia must be completely rejected), I cannot recommend enough The Last Ditch: 

http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a brilliant take on the balance between libertarianism and racial realities (including recognition of the fact that while Islam is wholly incompatible with the traditions of the West, the war in Mesopotamia must be completely rejected), I cannot recommend enough The Last Ditch: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fun with Racists</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-730027</link>
		<dc:creator>Fun with Racists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 01:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look up polylogism yet, Haller?

So nice to see that you admit Jews into the Superior Race. Or was it the other way around? Maybe you forget how the WASPs treated German-Americans during WWI and II.
Let&#039;s not forget the Irish. Or does that &#039;not apply&#039; here? eh heh 

So who is in and who is out? 

Catholics are OK now? Wow. Do you recall why the Protestant Establishment imposed compulsory public schooling? And that your buddies in the KKK were all for it?  

Who appointed you Tsar of What Shall Be Considered White? 

Now, if culture is genetically determined, and there is such a thing as White Culture, and further, Western White Civilization is the highest one yet achieved, then you should be worried. Not because of the invading darkies. It is that your time is over. You will go the way of the Neanderthal, culturally speaking (too). 

Why? Asians are phrenologically superior. But maybe they will have mercy on you, if mercy is indeed what the new highest civilization will entail. 

So yes, defend against the African and darky who are inferior to whites; accept the semitics- but only the Jews- not Palestinians etc, and if Jews, preferably German or Russian. Ignore the hundreds of other Jewish nationalities and genetic mixtures. But finally, since Asians are superior and pre-destined for higher civilization, go prostrate yourself at their feet and acquiesce in whatever they want. Since whatever it is, at least you know its better. 

But wait, how can any of this really be known? Whites are in a position to Asians like humans are to gods. Inferior whites do not have the same consciousness or rationality as gods. Oh well, history may have you end up like Neanderthals, dying out miserably in the worst parts of the world anyway. Probably not even valuable as pets to the new superiors. 

But blacks will remain valuable to Asians because... Asians love sports. And that is what blacks are good for. So sorry whites, the non-whites will be here long after you are gone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look up polylogism yet, Haller?</p>
<p>So nice to see that you admit Jews into the Superior Race. Or was it the other way around? Maybe you forget how the WASPs treated German-Americans during WWI and II.<br />
Let&#8217;s not forget the Irish. Or does that &#8216;not apply&#8217; here? eh heh </p>
<p>So who is in and who is out? </p>
<p>Catholics are OK now? Wow. Do you recall why the Protestant Establishment imposed compulsory public schooling? And that your buddies in the KKK were all for it?  </p>
<p>Who appointed you Tsar of What Shall Be Considered White? </p>
<p>Now, if culture is genetically determined, and there is such a thing as White Culture, and further, Western White Civilization is the highest one yet achieved, then you should be worried. Not because of the invading darkies. It is that your time is over. You will go the way of the Neanderthal, culturally speaking (too). </p>
<p>Why? Asians are phrenologically superior. But maybe they will have mercy on you, if mercy is indeed what the new highest civilization will entail. </p>
<p>So yes, defend against the African and darky who are inferior to whites; accept the semitics- but only the Jews- not Palestinians etc, and if Jews, preferably German or Russian. Ignore the hundreds of other Jewish nationalities and genetic mixtures. But finally, since Asians are superior and pre-destined for higher civilization, go prostrate yourself at their feet and acquiesce in whatever they want. Since whatever it is, at least you know its better. </p>
<p>But wait, how can any of this really be known? Whites are in a position to Asians like humans are to gods. Inferior whites do not have the same consciousness or rationality as gods. Oh well, history may have you end up like Neanderthals, dying out miserably in the worst parts of the world anyway. Probably not even valuable as pets to the new superiors. </p>
<p>But blacks will remain valuable to Asians because&#8230; Asians love sports. And that is what blacks are good for. So sorry whites, the non-whites will be here long after you are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 01:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for your respectful post.  i&#039;m inclined to agree with you regarding rothbard&#039;s comments on spain. i do not idealize islamic culture in any sense, let alone the islamic regimes, just to be quite clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your respectful post.  i&#8217;m inclined to agree with you regarding rothbard&#8217;s comments on spain. i do not idealize islamic culture in any sense, let alone the islamic regimes, just to be quite clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin OB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin OB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[newson,

Interesting article. It doesn&#039;t undermine any of my points. I like it when Rothbard points out that not all wars and not all states are equally evil, that&#039;s precisely one of the things I&#039;m saying. Then, he takes sides against Israel in the Middle East conflict. Fair enough. I don&#039;t agree with all of his remarks (more below), but anyway, my points are:

_ Murdering innocent civilians, killing children on purpose, not by accident, is evil, no matter what their government does or did.

_ Militant Islam is older than the European, American or Jewish aggression. Islam is and always was a proselytizing religion.

_ The most brutal aspects of Arabic society and culture (I say &quot;Arabic&quot; because many of those customs are not intrinsic to Islam) have been there long before any of the modern conflicts with the West. There&#039;s no reason to think they will change their customs just because they are in peace with Western countries. These views are clearly incompatible with modern (Enlightenment) Western values.

_ Whatever its origin, Islamic terrorism is out of control. Solving the Middle East conflict will not end it. Giving in to the terrorists&#039; demands will only embolden them. They won&#039;t settle for anything less than worldwide Islamic supremacy.

As for Rothbard&#039;s article, I&#039;d like to point out the following:

_ He says &quot;world Zionism was being promised a land most emphatically not its own.&quot; . That&#039;s a typical case of question-begging. If the ownership of the land were just a hard fact, there would be no conflict. The ancestors of modern Jews were &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; driven out of Palestine by force &lt;/a&gt; . It was a long time ago, but that&#039;s how it happened. It was not their choice to leave. That&#039;s not to say the Zionists are right, but they also have some valid arguments.

_ He says  &quot;There is no inherent enmity or conflict between Arab and Jew. In the great centuries of Arab civilization in North Africa and Spain, Jews took a happy and prominent part – in contrast to their ongoing persecution by the fanatics of the Christian West.&quot; That&#039;s another myth which is now  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/articles_and_books/the_corrosive_hagiography_of_muslim_spain/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  slowly falling apart &lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>newson,</p>
<p>Interesting article. It doesn&#8217;t undermine any of my points. I like it when Rothbard points out that not all wars and not all states are equally evil, that&#8217;s precisely one of the things I&#8217;m saying. Then, he takes sides against Israel in the Middle East conflict. Fair enough. I don&#8217;t agree with all of his remarks (more below), but anyway, my points are:</p>
<p>_ Murdering innocent civilians, killing children on purpose, not by accident, is evil, no matter what their government does or did.</p>
<p>_ Militant Islam is older than the European, American or Jewish aggression. Islam is and always was a proselytizing religion.</p>
<p>_ The most brutal aspects of Arabic society and culture (I say &#8220;Arabic&#8221; because many of those customs are not intrinsic to Islam) have been there long before any of the modern conflicts with the West. There&#8217;s no reason to think they will change their customs just because they are in peace with Western countries. These views are clearly incompatible with modern (Enlightenment) Western values.</p>
<p>_ Whatever its origin, Islamic terrorism is out of control. Solving the Middle East conflict will not end it. Giving in to the terrorists&#8217; demands will only embolden them. They won&#8217;t settle for anything less than worldwide Islamic supremacy.</p>
<p>As for Rothbard&#8217;s article, I&#8217;d like to point out the following:</p>
<p>_ He says &#8220;world Zionism was being promised a land most emphatically not its own.&#8221; . That&#8217;s a typical case of question-begging. If the ownership of the land were just a hard fact, there would be no conflict. The ancestors of modern Jews were <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora" rel="nofollow"> driven out of Palestine by force </a> . It was a long time ago, but that&#8217;s how it happened. It was not their choice to leave. That&#8217;s not to say the Zionists are right, but they also have some valid arguments.</p>
<p>_ He says  &#8220;There is no inherent enmity or conflict between Arab and Jew. In the great centuries of Arab civilization in North Africa and Spain, Jews took a happy and prominent part – in contrast to their ongoing persecution by the fanatics of the Christian West.&#8221; That&#8217;s another myth which is now  <a href="http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/articles_and_books/the_corrosive_hagiography_of_muslim_spain/" rel="nofollow">  slowly falling apart </a>.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[easy to confuse anti-zionism for pacifism and leftism i guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>easy to confuse anti-zionism for pacifism and leftism i guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Haller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Haller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wildberry (et al):

Let me reduce everything to the simplest denominator: Liberty. Liberty is not the greatest political good to me, but I will make it so here for argument&#039;s sake. A bunch of morons (there is no other word, excepting &#039;lunatics&#039;) on this (and any other libertarian) thread actually think that there is something inimical to freedom in regulating immigration. They are especially horrified when I recommend that we KEEP OUT ALL non-white immigrants (that in itself proves a leftist psychological orientation). 

So let&#039;s be simple. Obama is the single greatest threat to both economic prosperity and the long term survival of liberty in the US perhaps in US history. He is undeniably the furthest socialist/Left President. Who elected him (and no, I did not vote for the nearly as awful McCain; I wrote in Ron Paul)? BO&#039;s electoral margin of victory was provided by post-1965 immigrants and their adult descendants (aka &quot;minorities&quot;). If we had had zero immigration since 1965 McCain would be President - and the Congress would be permanently GOP.

The ONLY racial group in America who even slightly supports liberty is whites. This is a fact (I hope no idiot here denies it, because then the debate is over, and I will have won). Party ID is a rough proxy for gauging commitment to liberty understood to be rooted in property rights (the Rothbard position). EVERY minority group is heavily Democratic, in ID and actual voting. Disappointing as the GOP invariably is, the Democrats today are pure evil (even from a libertarian perspective). So why do idiot libertarians want to increase Democrat numbers by admitting vast hordes of non-white immigrants??!! What insanity - to put ideology ahead or reality!!!!

Diversity is the health of the State. Idiot libertarians might come to understand this after whites have been transformed into a politically powerless minority, and whose new non-white, non-American masters grant them precious little liberty at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wildberry (et al):</p>
<p>Let me reduce everything to the simplest denominator: Liberty. Liberty is not the greatest political good to me, but I will make it so here for argument&#8217;s sake. A bunch of morons (there is no other word, excepting &#8216;lunatics&#8217;) on this (and any other libertarian) thread actually think that there is something inimical to freedom in regulating immigration. They are especially horrified when I recommend that we KEEP OUT ALL non-white immigrants (that in itself proves a leftist psychological orientation). </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s be simple. Obama is the single greatest threat to both economic prosperity and the long term survival of liberty in the US perhaps in US history. He is undeniably the furthest socialist/Left President. Who elected him (and no, I did not vote for the nearly as awful McCain; I wrote in Ron Paul)? BO&#8217;s electoral margin of victory was provided by post-1965 immigrants and their adult descendants (aka &#8220;minorities&#8221;). If we had had zero immigration since 1965 McCain would be President &#8211; and the Congress would be permanently GOP.</p>
<p>The ONLY racial group in America who even slightly supports liberty is whites. This is a fact (I hope no idiot here denies it, because then the debate is over, and I will have won). Party ID is a rough proxy for gauging commitment to liberty understood to be rooted in property rights (the Rothbard position). EVERY minority group is heavily Democratic, in ID and actual voting. Disappointing as the GOP invariably is, the Democrats today are pure evil (even from a libertarian perspective). So why do idiot libertarians want to increase Democrat numbers by admitting vast hordes of non-white immigrants??!! What insanity &#8211; to put ideology ahead or reality!!!!</p>
<p>Diversity is the health of the State. Idiot libertarians might come to understand this after whites have been transformed into a politically powerless minority, and whose new non-white, non-American masters grant them precious little liberty at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Haller</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-729797</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Haller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This newson idiot is a real leftist - as are most here. I&#039;m saddened but not surprised at the sociological failure of Murray&#039;s (and, formerly, Lew&#039;s) paleolibertarianism. It was a good try, even if I disagree about first principles (as well as pragmatically, living, as I, but few here, do, in the actual world). I&#039;ve always thought the &quot;modal&quot; libertarian was basically a leftist who understood economics (but nothing else). That was Murray&#039;s view, too. Apparently, Lew has decided to stop fighting this reality that most libertarians are on the Left, and embrace those same raceless and cultureless fools he used to mock. So sad, especially if Austrian Econ gets associated by serious conservatives with this race-traitor and pacifist garbage, and accordingly dismissed. Austrian econ will be a vital part of America&#039;s eventual renewal; libertarianism will continue to be consigned to the weirdo bins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This newson idiot is a real leftist &#8211; as are most here. I&#8217;m saddened but not surprised at the sociological failure of Murray&#8217;s (and, formerly, Lew&#8217;s) paleolibertarianism. It was a good try, even if I disagree about first principles (as well as pragmatically, living, as I, but few here, do, in the actual world). I&#8217;ve always thought the &#8220;modal&#8221; libertarian was basically a leftist who understood economics (but nothing else). That was Murray&#8217;s view, too. Apparently, Lew has decided to stop fighting this reality that most libertarians are on the Left, and embrace those same raceless and cultureless fools he used to mock. So sad, especially if Austrian Econ gets associated by serious conservatives with this race-traitor and pacifist garbage, and accordingly dismissed. Austrian econ will be a vital part of America&#8217;s eventual renewal; libertarianism will continue to be consigned to the weirdo bins.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-729773</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://original.antiwar.com/rothbard/2010/03/02/war-guilt-in-the-middle-east/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://original.antiwar.com/rothbard/2010/03/02/war-guilt-in-the-middle-east/" rel="nofollow">http://original.antiwar.com/rothbard/2010/03/02/war-guilt-in-the-middle-east/</a></p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-729771</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[all terrorists!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all terrorists!</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/14139/prepare-for-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-729770</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what about an arab handed over to some rendition service by the nice american soldier?  who&#039;s the bad guy here? maybe the torturer is less despicable than his western collaborator, who also wants to keep his image pristine.

how many western politicians lose sleep over children killed by their soldiers? madeleine albright was prepared to accept infant mortality rises under the iraq embargo. half a million? relax, they&#039;re only arabs.  only when the public gets some really appalling footage do some political crocodile tears get shed.  camera &quot;on&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about an arab handed over to some rendition service by the nice american soldier?  who&#8217;s the bad guy here? maybe the torturer is less despicable than his western collaborator, who also wants to keep his image pristine.</p>
<p>how many western politicians lose sleep over children killed by their soldiers? madeleine albright was prepared to accept infant mortality rises under the iraq embargo. half a million? relax, they&#8217;re only arabs.  only when the public gets some really appalling footage do some political crocodile tears get shed.  camera &#8220;on&#8221;!</p>
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