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		<title>By: A. Viirlaid</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-720320</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Viirlaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;TO &quot;RH&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

No one said that price deflation is painless.

It is just the outcome you get when you play around with The Money System the way that our dear friend Alan Greenspan did at The FED for 19 years.

It does not much matter what unions do. Sure wages are &quot;downward sticky&quot;. That is why unemployment does not go down very quickly given the sticky residue and mess of A Broken Money System that Alan Greenspan left behind himself when he left The FED.

If there is resistance to adjusting wages when prices fall, unemployment will stay unnecessarily high for an unnecessarily long time.

And yes, a lot of people will go broke because their debt will increase in real terms. Who&#039;s to blame?

Most importantly, ask yourself whether it was moral for Savers and Lenders to, for so long, subsidize The Borrowing Class? (That subsidization, by the way, continues today, with The FED orchestrating even lower interest rates than our dear Alan did!)

In any case you really don&#039;t have to worry —— our dear Doctor Ben Bernanke has indicated that he feels Price Deflation is to be avoided at all costs —— &quot;IT&quot; will never be allowed to happen, so long as The Great Doctor is our Helmsman at The FED.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Deflation: Making Sure &quot;It&quot; Doesn&#039;t Happen Here&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>TO &#8220;RH&#8221;</b></p>
<p>No one said that price deflation is painless.</p>
<p>It is just the outcome you get when you play around with The Money System the way that our dear friend Alan Greenspan did at The FED for 19 years.</p>
<p>It does not much matter what unions do. Sure wages are &#8220;downward sticky&#8221;. That is why unemployment does not go down very quickly given the sticky residue and mess of A Broken Money System that Alan Greenspan left behind himself when he left The FED.</p>
<p>If there is resistance to adjusting wages when prices fall, unemployment will stay unnecessarily high for an unnecessarily long time.</p>
<p>And yes, a lot of people will go broke because their debt will increase in real terms. Who&#8217;s to blame?</p>
<p>Most importantly, ask yourself whether it was moral for Savers and Lenders to, for so long, subsidize The Borrowing Class? (That subsidization, by the way, continues today, with The FED orchestrating even lower interest rates than our dear Alan did!)</p>
<p>In any case you really don&#8217;t have to worry —— our dear Doctor Ben Bernanke has indicated that he feels Price Deflation is to be avoided at all costs —— &#8220;IT&#8221; will never be allowed to happen, so long as The Great Doctor is our Helmsman at The FED.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm" rel="nofollow"> Deflation: Making Sure &#8220;It&#8221; Doesn&#8217;t Happen Here</a></p>
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		<title>By: A. Viirlaid</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-720318</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Viirlaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;TO &quot;RH&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

No one said that price deflation is painless.

It is just the outcome you get when you play around with The Money System the way that our dear friend Alan Greenspan did at The FED for 19 years.

It does not much matter what unions do. Sure wages are &quot;downward sticky&quot;. That is why unemployment does not go down very quickly given the sticky residue and mess of A Broken Money System that Alan Greenspan left behind himself when he left The FED.

If there is resistance to adjusting wages when prices fall, unemployment will stay unnecessarily high for an unnecessarily long time.

And yes, a lot of people will go broke because their debt will increase in real terms. Who&#039;s to blame?

Most importantly, ask yourself whether it was moral for Savers and Lenders to, for so long, subsidize The Borrowing Class? (That subsidization, by the way, continues today, with The FED orchestrating even lower interest rates than our dear Alan did!)

In any case you really don&#039;t have to worry ---- our dear Doctor Ben Bernanke has indicated that he feels Price Deflation is to be avoided at all costs ---- &quot;IT&quot; will never be allowed to happen, so long as The Great Doctor is our Helmsman at The FED.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Deflation: Making Sure &quot;It&quot; Doesn&#039;t Happen Here&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>TO &#8220;RH&#8221;</b></p>
<p>No one said that price deflation is painless.</p>
<p>It is just the outcome you get when you play around with The Money System the way that our dear friend Alan Greenspan did at The FED for 19 years.</p>
<p>It does not much matter what unions do. Sure wages are &#8220;downward sticky&#8221;. That is why unemployment does not go down very quickly given the sticky residue and mess of A Broken Money System that Alan Greenspan left behind himself when he left The FED.</p>
<p>If there is resistance to adjusting wages when prices fall, unemployment will stay unnecessarily high for an unnecessarily long time.</p>
<p>And yes, a lot of people will go broke because their debt will increase in real terms. Who&#8217;s to blame?</p>
<p>Most importantly, ask yourself whether it was moral for Savers and Lenders to, for so long, subsidize The Borrowing Class? (That subsidization, by the way, continues today, with The FED orchestrating even lower interest rates than our dear Alan did!)</p>
<p>In any case you really don&#8217;t have to worry &#8212;- our dear Doctor Ben Bernanke has indicated that he feels Price Deflation is to be avoided at all costs &#8212;- &#8220;IT&#8221; will never be allowed to happen, so long as The Great Doctor is our Helmsman at The FED.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm" rel="nofollow"> Deflation: Making Sure &#8220;It&#8221; Doesn&#8217;t Happen Here</a></p>
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		<title>By: A. Viirlaid</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-720315</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Viirlaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;TO Stephen Grossman&lt;/b&gt; 

WELL SAID! Thanks.

Please see another way how The FED, and the Banking Cartel it operates, steal The Wealth of The People in a well-written essay by &lt;b&gt;Jeffrey Sachs:&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7055759.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rob rich bankers and give money to the poor&lt;/a&gt;

Also more at

&lt;a href=&quot;//www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/commentary/neil-reynolds/economic-freedom-and-the-end-of-poverty/article1691877/”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Economic freedom and the end of poverty&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>TO Stephen Grossman</b> </p>
<p>WELL SAID! Thanks.</p>
<p>Please see another way how The FED, and the Banking Cartel it operates, steal The Wealth of The People in a well-written essay by <b>Jeffrey Sachs:</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7055759.ece" rel="nofollow">Rob rich bankers and give money to the poor</a></p>
<p>Also more at</p>
<p><a href="//www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/commentary/neil-reynolds/economic-freedom-and-the-end-of-poverty/article1691877/”" rel="nofollow">Economic freedom and the end of poverty</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-712317</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is short-range, unprincipled, unsystematic foolishness, not science, and a mere rationalization for govt theft from the productive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is short-range, unprincipled, unsystematic foolishness, not science, and a mere rationalization for govt theft from the productive.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Murray</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711935</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t bother. The common response is, &quot;They just didn&#039;t do it right. It works, just so long as we find the right people.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t bother. The common response is, &#8220;They just didn&#8217;t do it right. It works, just so long as we find the right people.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711922</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just look at that night photo of No. Korea for the technological progress of socialism. And do you recall...ummm, uh, oh, yes, the Soviet Union and its electrified communism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just look at that night photo of No. Korea for the technological progress of socialism. And do you recall&#8230;ummm, uh, oh, yes, the Soviet Union and its electrified communism.</p>
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		<title>By: RH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I completely agree with the article, but there are a couple of practical problems:
1.  Deflation is good if one is not levered.  Since the country and most individuals (personally) are levered to the hilt, deflation would be problematic.  
2.  Do you expect unions to adjust wages downward should we go ahead with deflationary policy?  I think this is pretty unrealistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with the article, but there are a couple of practical problems:<br />
1.  Deflation is good if one is not levered.  Since the country and most individuals (personally) are levered to the hilt, deflation would be problematic.<br />
2.  Do you expect unions to adjust wages downward should we go ahead with deflationary policy?  I think this is pretty unrealistic.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711478</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[for pbergn:  when goods can&#039;t cross  borders, armies will (bastiat).
autarky invariably ends badly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for pbergn:  when goods can&#8217;t cross  borders, armies will (bastiat).<br />
autarky invariably ends badly.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711464</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dick fox is a supply-sider.

those interested in deflation should read bagus&#039; overview of various perspectives on deflation by prominent austrians, and their various inconsistencies.
http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae6_4_3.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dick fox is a supply-sider.</p>
<p>those interested in deflation should read bagus&#8217; overview of various perspectives on deflation by prominent austrians, and their various inconsistencies.<br />
<a href="http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae6_4_3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae6_4_3.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: tralphkays</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711428</link>
		<dc:creator>tralphkays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dick Fox is a great example of what I call a &quot;Suit and Tie&quot; libertarian. His description of the quote from Rothbard as vindictive gives him away. Note that a careful reading of his quote from Man Economy and State stresses the tendency of deflation to REDRESS the unjust transfer of wealth under an inflationary regime. How is correcting an injustice &#039;vindictive&#039;? Note his subsequent unsupported statement that  &quot;what he (Rothbard) suggests harms everyone&quot;. Rothbard is clear that under deflation there are losers, but also winners, how does it &quot;harm everyone&quot;? All of this suggests that this Dick has situated himself to prosper under an inflationary regime, he has profited from the theft inherent in an inflationary system, and now is pushing for a system that ignores those injustices and proceeds from the status quo. How convenient. Notice when he says &quot;what he suggests harms everyone&quot;, clearly the &quot;everyone&quot; he refers to is in actuality only himself and others like him, people not like him are beneath notice. These &quot;Suit and Tie&quot; libertarians speak loudly when austrian and libertarian theory proposes removing the barriers to their accumulation of wealth, but usually are strangely silent when the same theories propose removing the government provided unjust advantages to their accumulation of wealth. At least this Dick showed his true colors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Fox is a great example of what I call a &#8220;Suit and Tie&#8221; libertarian. His description of the quote from Rothbard as vindictive gives him away. Note that a careful reading of his quote from Man Economy and State stresses the tendency of deflation to REDRESS the unjust transfer of wealth under an inflationary regime. How is correcting an injustice &#8216;vindictive&#8217;? Note his subsequent unsupported statement that  &#8220;what he (Rothbard) suggests harms everyone&#8221;. Rothbard is clear that under deflation there are losers, but also winners, how does it &#8220;harm everyone&#8221;? All of this suggests that this Dick has situated himself to prosper under an inflationary regime, he has profited from the theft inherent in an inflationary system, and now is pushing for a system that ignores those injustices and proceeds from the status quo. How convenient. Notice when he says &#8220;what he suggests harms everyone&#8221;, clearly the &#8220;everyone&#8221; he refers to is in actuality only himself and others like him, people not like him are beneath notice. These &#8220;Suit and Tie&#8221; libertarians speak loudly when austrian and libertarian theory proposes removing the barriers to their accumulation of wealth, but usually are strangely silent when the same theories propose removing the government provided unjust advantages to their accumulation of wealth. At least this Dick showed his true colors.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Albin</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Albin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know that he&#039;s joking, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that he&#8217;s joking, right?</p>
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		<title>By: A. Viirlaid</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711256</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Viirlaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Thanks Stephen.

Oh, if only to be able to have to give $200 for a new 1920-s car (or even $200-equivalent in today&#039;s dollars = approx. perhaps $4,000) --- what THAT car would be worth today!  I can picture Jay Leno already formulating the offer-price for his bid.

Same goes for the Ferrari.

Of course those items would show the value attributed due to the scarcity of supply of such mint-condition &#039;antique&#039; automobiles in today’s world. 

What bothers me about the ‘ruling’ administrators, managers, and bureaucrats, is that they all tend to assume that the future will behave like the past.

That is, that we can all expect technological progress to continue in the same manner over the next 50 years as it has proceeded in the past 50.

But I should not really be surprised because this is human nature. 

But if you or I think this way, it does not much matter —— we are just expressing our ideas in forums like this. What saddens me is that the decision-makers hold the fate and wellbeing of many millions of people in their hands when they make such assumptions. 

That such management-types seem ignorant of their responsibilities (or at least seem so, given some of their past behavior and decision-making) is what is so tragic. They, of all people, cannot afford to be making assumptions about the strength or direction of that future wind as if it were a given —— because that is exactly what they (e.g. The FED) are doing.

This haunts me, because I think I have a pretty good idea what will happen if and when such progress does not materialize.

In fact an argument not often made (or at least not promulgated in most forums) is how the &#039;Expediency&#039; Approach to Money Management that The FED takes (along with many other institutions in the West) actually hinders technological progress.

It seems rather strongly possible that there is a logical argument to make that when central banks manipulate the money (Money-Pulation) and thereby send False Signals to entrepreneurs and others in the Marketplace, and thereby force the creation of malinvestments, that they are also thereby skewing the future road to be taken for Technological Advancement.

That is, if they screw up how the economy should work, they are also changing how technology would most optimally unfold in its development to meet the needs of a more naturally (unforced) developing overall Economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Thanks Stephen.</p>
<p>Oh, if only to be able to have to give $200 for a new 1920-s car (or even $200-equivalent in today&#8217;s dollars = approx. perhaps $4,000) &#8212; what THAT car would be worth today!  I can picture Jay Leno already formulating the offer-price for his bid.</p>
<p>Same goes for the Ferrari.</p>
<p>Of course those items would show the value attributed due to the scarcity of supply of such mint-condition &#8216;antique&#8217; automobiles in today’s world. </p>
<p>What bothers me about the ‘ruling’ administrators, managers, and bureaucrats, is that they all tend to assume that the future will behave like the past.</p>
<p>That is, that we can all expect technological progress to continue in the same manner over the next 50 years as it has proceeded in the past 50.</p>
<p>But I should not really be surprised because this is human nature. </p>
<p>But if you or I think this way, it does not much matter —— we are just expressing our ideas in forums like this. What saddens me is that the decision-makers hold the fate and wellbeing of many millions of people in their hands when they make such assumptions. </p>
<p>That such management-types seem ignorant of their responsibilities (or at least seem so, given some of their past behavior and decision-making) is what is so tragic. They, of all people, cannot afford to be making assumptions about the strength or direction of that future wind as if it were a given —— because that is exactly what they (e.g. The FED) are doing.</p>
<p>This haunts me, because I think I have a pretty good idea what will happen if and when such progress does not materialize.</p>
<p>In fact an argument not often made (or at least not promulgated in most forums) is how the &#8216;Expediency&#8217; Approach to Money Management that The FED takes (along with many other institutions in the West) actually hinders technological progress.</p>
<p>It seems rather strongly possible that there is a logical argument to make that when central banks manipulate the money (Money-Pulation) and thereby send False Signals to entrepreneurs and others in the Marketplace, and thereby force the creation of malinvestments, that they are also thereby skewing the future road to be taken for Technological Advancement.</p>
<p>That is, if they screw up how the economy should work, they are also changing how technology would most optimally unfold in its development to meet the needs of a more naturally (unforced) developing overall Economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711247</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;massive wealth transfers

Ye of little faith. Everyone knows that govt creates wealth from...uh...umm...have a little faith, damnit!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;massive wealth transfers</p>
<p>Ye of little faith. Everyone knows that govt creates wealth from&#8230;uh&#8230;umm&#8230;have a little faith, damnit!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711241</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why dont those lower prices include lower prices for labor, supplies, etc for business? More customers are bad?! Is there some Platonic Form of the Right Price that has been revealed to you? Why didnt the US economy suffer when Rockefeller greatly lowered oil prices? Or when science and tech greatly increased food and clothing production and lowered those prices? Was it a diabolical conspiracy? Science is a system of facts, not isolated facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why dont those lower prices include lower prices for labor, supplies, etc for business? More customers are bad?! Is there some Platonic Form of the Right Price that has been revealed to you? Why didnt the US economy suffer when Rockefeller greatly lowered oil prices? Or when science and tech greatly increased food and clothing production and lowered those prices? Was it a diabolical conspiracy? Science is a system of facts, not isolated facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711225</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;sharp rise in unemployment due to globalization of the US economy

Trade benefits all. Unemployment is from minimum wage laws, high taxes, regulations and  counterfeit govt money and bank credit stealing limited resources to fund unsustainable investments. When the unsustainable investments pop the market&#039;s return to equilibrium includes temporary unemployment. Increasing prices and decreasing exports with protectionism will decrease jobs. You reach for a gun because your mind is empty.  Protectionism was refuted by Adam Smith in 1776 (and maybe by earlier economists). That early prosperous and free trade zone called the Roman Empire is an application of free trade. Self-sufficient farms are not prosperity. The basic problem is production, not jobs. We can have full employment by banning machines and accepting slavery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;sharp rise in unemployment due to globalization of the US economy</p>
<p>Trade benefits all. Unemployment is from minimum wage laws, high taxes, regulations and  counterfeit govt money and bank credit stealing limited resources to fund unsustainable investments. When the unsustainable investments pop the market&#8217;s return to equilibrium includes temporary unemployment. Increasing prices and decreasing exports with protectionism will decrease jobs. You reach for a gun because your mind is empty.  Protectionism was refuted by Adam Smith in 1776 (and maybe by earlier economists). That early prosperous and free trade zone called the Roman Empire is an application of free trade. Self-sufficient farms are not prosperity. The basic problem is production, not jobs. We can have full employment by banning machines and accepting slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711218</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Because of HUGE productivity improvements since 1913 (founding of The FED) the prices of goods and services have only ‘moderately’ increased.

Yes, Mises notes that statistics can mask economic law. BTW, some prices has greatly increased. Average 1920s cars were $200. 1960s Ferraris were $12000! 1950s ice cream cones were 7 cents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Because of HUGE productivity improvements since 1913 (founding of The FED) the prices of goods and services have only ‘moderately’ increased.</p>
<p>Yes, Mises notes that statistics can mask economic law. BTW, some prices has greatly increased. Average 1920s cars were $200. 1960s Ferraris were $12000! 1950s ice cream cones were 7 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711214</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ive not yet read TMC but my memory of HA is that Mises thinks deflation is the necessary correction to inflation. My memory could be wrong. And if Mises denies that a post-inflation deflation is sound money policy, what does he think is the right policy?! Also, in HA he corrected some ideas in TMC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive not yet read TMC but my memory of HA is that Mises thinks deflation is the necessary correction to inflation. My memory could be wrong. And if Mises denies that a post-inflation deflation is sound money policy, what does he think is the right policy?! Also, in HA he corrected some ideas in TMC.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711211</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since most people think sacrifice is moral, who sacrifices the most from inflation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since most people think sacrifice is moral, who sacrifices the most from inflation?</p>
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		<title>By: DayOwl</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711142</link>
		<dc:creator>DayOwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about the Fed and other Financial Institutions here, not average consumers and businesses. Follow the money: Who benefits the &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; from inflation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about the Fed and other Financial Institutions here, not average consumers and businesses. Follow the money: Who benefits the <i><b>most</b></i> from inflation?</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Fox</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/13523/murray-rothbard-and-the-deflation-bogey/comment-page-1/#comment-711103</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan,

You are correct that re-inflation is not sound money, but neither is deflation. Sound money to Mises was neither inflation nor deflation. See my comment to Shay below.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>You are correct that re-inflation is not sound money, but neither is deflation. Sound money to Mises was neither inflation nor deflation. See my comment to Shay below.</p>
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