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	<title>Comments on: Kinsella: Ideas are Free: The Case Against Intellectual Property: or, How Libertarians Went Wrong</title>
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	<description>Proceeding Ever More Boldly Against Evil</description>
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		<title>By: Olegmatt</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-799674</link>
		<dc:creator>Olegmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 02:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephan Kinsella wrote: &quot;abolish unjust IP law&quot;. However, before abolishing it someone have to suggest better reward system for the generators of ideas. It is not done yet. As soon more advanced reward system is invented the IP law would disapper automatically as if it was never seen before. Many critics of existing IP law do not understand that most real life cases demonstrating the IP law-evil occur because at present it is very easy to patent trivial, obvious ideas like, for example, Amazon&#039;s one click patent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephan Kinsella wrote: &#8220;abolish unjust IP law&#8221;. However, before abolishing it someone have to suggest better reward system for the generators of ideas. It is not done yet. As soon more advanced reward system is invented the IP law would disapper automatically as if it was never seen before. Many critics of existing IP law do not understand that most real life cases demonstrating the IP law-evil occur because at present it is very easy to patent trivial, obvious ideas like, for example, Amazon&#8217;s one click patent.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719278</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if contracts i suppose are used to access info that state to not repeat or reproduce sounds of a certain duration or pitch or what have you that allow for a punative renumneration of some sort via dispute resolution that could possibly be similar.

operationally effective??  i am not sure.

cable boxes used to go back to cable companies i suppose computers couild have done the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if contracts i suppose are used to access info that state to not repeat or reproduce sounds of a certain duration or pitch or what have you that allow for a punative renumneration of some sort via dispute resolution that could possibly be similar.</p>
<p>operationally effective??  i am not sure.</p>
<p>cable boxes used to go back to cable companies i suppose computers couild have done the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719277</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If ideas were free we would drown in ideas.

if you consider eating and breathing the cost of brain function - ideas - then they arent exactly free.

but brains dont function without eating and breathing.   no additional coast may be more appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ideas were free we would drown in ideas.</p>
<p>if you consider eating and breathing the cost of brain function &#8211; ideas &#8211; then they arent exactly free.</p>
<p>but brains dont function without eating and breathing.   no additional coast may be more appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719276</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand that contracts do not require property. They only require action. 

do they require physical things too??

farting is action.  does a contract require more?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that contracts do not require property. They only require action. </p>
<p>do they require physical things too??</p>
<p>farting is action.  does a contract require more?</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719275</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its what god says you shouldnt steal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its what god says you shouldnt steal.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719273</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is no way a private system can have similar laws.....

does a private system have laws?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no way a private system can have similar laws&#8230;..</p>
<p>does a private system have laws?</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719272</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i dont think you have found any side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think you have found any side.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719271</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[do both affect an end user??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do both affect an end user??</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719270</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The essential argument is that ideas are not and can never be “property” and hence that the term “intellectual property” is utterly meaningless and self-contradictory.


or a poor choice of words.  if ip is just used to refer to current copyright and patent and trademarks systems the it is two letters used to describe many similar things.  i thought i had read somethign about some homesteading crap the kinsella had mentioned but i cant remember.  if he alone uses the term ip maybe that was why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The essential argument is that ideas are not and can never be “property” and hence that the term “intellectual property” is utterly meaningless and self-contradictory.</p>
<p>or a poor choice of words.  if ip is just used to refer to current copyright and patent and trademarks systems the it is two letters used to describe many similar things.  i thought i had read somethign about some homesteading crap the kinsella had mentioned but i cant remember.  if he alone uses the term ip maybe that was why.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719269</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[people do lie too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people do lie too.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719268</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that the trap too many people fall into is getting too hung up on the idea of property that they forget the reason we care about property rights in the first place.....

what trap??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the trap too many people fall into is getting too hung up on the idea of property that they forget the reason we care about property rights in the first place&#8230;..</p>
<p>what trap??</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719267</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope no confusion remains. 


why call it intellectual property in the first place then???  why use the term if you didnt intend to confuse or deceive???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope no confusion remains. </p>
<p>why call it intellectual property in the first place then???  why use the term if you didnt intend to confuse or deceive???</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719266</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i guess teh issues arrise when someone lets me read a book and while reading i use my camera to photogrpah every page as i turn the page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess teh issues arrise when someone lets me read a book and while reading i use my camera to photogrpah every page as i turn the page.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719265</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i guess they mean an idea for a movie isnt the movie itself.  the film or projection, iow.

i suppose you can go around quoting books of shakespeare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess they mean an idea for a movie isnt the movie itself.  the film or projection, iow.</p>
<p>i suppose you can go around quoting books of shakespeare.</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719264</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[are you referring to capitalization or something else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you referring to capitalization or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719263</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Ideas are Free” – this is a wrong sentence,

would ideas aren&#039;t free.  be wrong too??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Ideas are Free” – this is a wrong sentence,</p>
<p>would ideas aren&#8217;t free.  be wrong too??</p>
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		<title>By: james b. longacre</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-719262</link>
		<dc:creator>james b. longacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kinsella says &#039;intellectual property law&#039; consists primarilly of patetent law copyright law and trademark lawss, and a few other things.  i guess he means that he and/or some others consider patents, copyrights and tradmarks a property.

outside of scriptural doctrines property is some type of social &#039;ought&#039;????

maybe he is being deliberatly deceptive or misleading in using the term property coupled with intellectual endeavors...i dont know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kinsella says &#8216;intellectual property law&#8217; consists primarilly of patetent law copyright law and trademark lawss, and a few other things.  i guess he means that he and/or some others consider patents, copyrights and tradmarks a property.</p>
<p>outside of scriptural doctrines property is some type of social &#8216;ought&#8217;????</p>
<p>maybe he is being deliberatly deceptive or misleading in using the term property coupled with intellectual endeavors&#8230;i dont know.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Neil Schulman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-713002</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Neil Schulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know why my response was put in reply to something else, but this was the comment I was replying to. I wrote:

Michael,Well said.One’s artistic creations are an extension of one’s personal identity and brand. If anyone can put my name — established in the marketplace as a novelist — on their own amateurish novel, it can be argued that their use of my name is “non-rivalrous.” After all, nothing tangible has been taken away from me. It can also be argued that any devaluing of my literary reputation is nothing I have any right to control, since “reputation” is nothing tangible and exists only in the minds of others.It’s only the recognition of property rights being bounded and limited by ownership of identity and products branded with that identity that the survival of property rights into and beyond the Information Age begins to have a defensible foundation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why my response was put in reply to something else, but this was the comment I was replying to. I wrote:</p>
<p>Michael,Well said.One’s artistic creations are an extension of one’s personal identity and brand. If anyone can put my name — established in the marketplace as a novelist — on their own amateurish novel, it can be argued that their use of my name is “non-rivalrous.” After all, nothing tangible has been taken away from me. It can also be argued that any devaluing of my literary reputation is nothing I have any right to control, since “reputation” is nothing tangible and exists only in the minds of others.It’s only the recognition of property rights being bounded and limited by ownership of identity and products branded with that identity that the survival of property rights into and beyond the Information Age begins to have a defensible foundation.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Neil Schulman</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-712993</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Neil Schulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,Well said.One&#039;s artistic creations are an extension of one&#039;s personal identity and brand. If anyone can put my name -- established in the marketplace as a novelist -- on their own amateurish novel, it can be argued that their use of my name is &quot;non-rivalrous.&quot; After all, nothing tangible has been taken away from me. It can also be argued that any devaluing of my literary reputation is nothing I have any right to control, since &quot;reputation&quot; is nothing tangible and exists only in the minds of others.It&#039;s only the recognition of property rights being bounded and limited by ownership of identity and products branded with that identity that the survival of property rights into and beyond the Information Age begins to have a defensible foundation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,Well said.One&#8217;s artistic creations are an extension of one&#8217;s personal identity and brand. If anyone can put my name &#8212; established in the marketplace as a novelist &#8212; on their own amateurish novel, it can be argued that their use of my name is &#8220;non-rivalrous.&#8221; After all, nothing tangible has been taken away from me. It can also be argued that any devaluing of my literary reputation is nothing I have any right to control, since &#8220;reputation&#8221; is nothing tangible and exists only in the minds of others.It&#8217;s only the recognition of property rights being bounded and limited by ownership of identity and products branded with that identity that the survival of property rights into and beyond the Information Age begins to have a defensible foundation.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Smith</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12995/kinsella-ideas-are-free-the-case-against-intellectual-property-or-how-libertarians-went-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-710454</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not on your side.

And you have not even attempted to address my question. So I&#039;ll try it again, in case you overlooked it:

Please explain to me how it is possible to “do it better than anyone else” when anyone and everyone else has the absolute right to take “the expression of your idea” (expression being the operative concept — an issue that seems to elude (or be deliberately ignored by) most everyone here), copy it in every detail, leave your name (or mark) on it, and offer it as a substitute for your own at a lesser price, or for free. How can you “do it better” when you’re competing with yourself? You have created a paradigm here that cannot function and the only rational thing left is to think, do, and say nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not on your side.</p>
<p>And you have not even attempted to address my question. So I&#8217;ll try it again, in case you overlooked it:</p>
<p>Please explain to me how it is possible to “do it better than anyone else” when anyone and everyone else has the absolute right to take “the expression of your idea” (expression being the operative concept — an issue that seems to elude (or be deliberately ignored by) most everyone here), copy it in every detail, leave your name (or mark) on it, and offer it as a substitute for your own at a lesser price, or for free. How can you “do it better” when you’re competing with yourself? You have created a paradigm here that cannot function and the only rational thing left is to think, do, and say nothing.</p>
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