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		<title>By: mpolzkill</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-706542</link>
		<dc:creator>mpolzkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mario,

Yes, and wasn&#039;t this just mindbending?

&quot;The author is clearly engaging in guilt-by-association here...This is exactly the kind of things left-liberals like to do to stifle debate.&quot;

!

Michael, please ask Beefcake/Byzantine?/Buzungulus to tell you about all the problems he has with Mises.org.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mario,</p>
<p>Yes, and wasn&#8217;t this just mindbending?</p>
<p>&#8220;The author is clearly engaging in guilt-by-association here&#8230;This is exactly the kind of things left-liberals like to do to stifle debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>!</p>
<p>Michael, please ask Beefcake/Byzantine?/Buzungulus to tell you about all the problems he has with Mises.org.</p>
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		<title>By: mariosaintdehaven</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-706520</link>
		<dc:creator>mariosaintdehaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was an idiotic comment. Your concern is a political agenda rather than the subject at hand. You claim that this is limited to &quot;left-liberals&quot; enjoying the stifling of debates. If you actually believe this, then, a comment such as yours is exclusively limited to the rantings of the &quot;intellectually challenged&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an idiotic comment. Your concern is a political agenda rather than the subject at hand. You claim that this is limited to &#8220;left-liberals&#8221; enjoying the stifling of debates. If you actually believe this, then, a comment such as yours is exclusively limited to the rantings of the &#8220;intellectually challenged&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Predrag</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-694581</link>
		<dc:creator>Predrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some food for thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-uZZ7RdL5E]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some food for thought:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-uZZ7RdL5E" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-uZZ7RdL5E</a></p>
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		<title>By: Predrag</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-694396</link>
		<dc:creator>Predrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, this is an exercise in, on one had, stating the obvious (that individuals and populations around the globe are not identical), and on the other, measuring the degree to which different people and populations meet some arbitrary standard, deemed desirable by the observer. By whom are these &quot;positively valued aspects of peoples and countries&quot; being determined? 

Fifty years ago, half of the planet thought that a one-party communist system is something that should be &quot;positively valued&quot;.Before 1592, North Americans had a stable socio-political and economic system based on communal property, and a system of national/tribal negotiations for conflict resolution. Then some more &quot;complex&quot; people came to show them that there are some other societal aspects that should be &quot;positively valued,&quot; like killing and enslaving people who have particular skin pigmentation.

Furthermore, It is not obvious (and what is not obvious needs to be explained) why complexity is better than simplicity; why participation in elections is better than non-participation; why democracy is better than any other political system; and so on.

Dostoevsky understood well that there is a thin line between idiocy and genius and that both are present in each of us. For example, Nikola Tesla, whom some call “the man who invented the twentieth century” died alone and penniless in a New York hotel. He saw a mental picture of an alternate current generator (this is what powers most electrical devices now) while reciting one of Goethe’s poems. Everything he did had to be divisible by 3. If it wasn’t, he would repeat everything until this condition was fulfilled. Even though he had over 700 patents, he ended up using up all his assets and trust of the investors by pursuing one failed project, which he believed would provide a source of free energy for all humanity. At the time his generators lighted up the Chicago Fair, he was one of the most celebrated public figures. At the end of his life he was ridiculed and pitied by pretty much everyone. Tesla was one of those who discovered both his inner genius and the inner idiot. Some of us discover one or the other and some discover none.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, this is an exercise in, on one had, stating the obvious (that individuals and populations around the globe are not identical), and on the other, measuring the degree to which different people and populations meet some arbitrary standard, deemed desirable by the observer. By whom are these &#8220;positively valued aspects of peoples and countries&#8221; being determined? </p>
<p>Fifty years ago, half of the planet thought that a one-party communist system is something that should be &#8220;positively valued&#8221;.Before 1592, North Americans had a stable socio-political and economic system based on communal property, and a system of national/tribal negotiations for conflict resolution. Then some more &#8220;complex&#8221; people came to show them that there are some other societal aspects that should be &#8220;positively valued,&#8221; like killing and enslaving people who have particular skin pigmentation.</p>
<p>Furthermore, It is not obvious (and what is not obvious needs to be explained) why complexity is better than simplicity; why participation in elections is better than non-participation; why democracy is better than any other political system; and so on.</p>
<p>Dostoevsky understood well that there is a thin line between idiocy and genius and that both are present in each of us. For example, Nikola Tesla, whom some call “the man who invented the twentieth century” died alone and penniless in a New York hotel. He saw a mental picture of an alternate current generator (this is what powers most electrical devices now) while reciting one of Goethe’s poems. Everything he did had to be divisible by 3. If it wasn’t, he would repeat everything until this condition was fulfilled. Even though he had over 700 patents, he ended up using up all his assets and trust of the investors by pursuing one failed project, which he believed would provide a source of free energy for all humanity. At the time his generators lighted up the Chicago Fair, he was one of the most celebrated public figures. At the end of his life he was ridiculed and pitied by pretty much everyone. Tesla was one of those who discovered both his inner genius and the inner idiot. Some of us discover one or the other and some discover none.</p>
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		<title>By: Biorealist</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-693931</link>
		<dc:creator>Biorealist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smart fractions are particularly important.

&quot;A large amount of studies published in the last two decades has shown that cognitive ability
levels of societies are relevant for the development of positively valued aspects of peoples
and countries. Following an economic research tradition “human capital” is relevant for
economic growth and wealth (Hanushek &amp; Kimko, 2000; Lynn &amp; Vanhanen, 2002, 2006; Jones &amp;
Schneider, 2006; Weede, 2006; Rindermann, 2008a). In addition, cognitive ability of nations has
a positive impact on political development, in that it helps building up democracy, the rule of
law and political liberty (Simpson, 1997; Rindermann, 2008b). Intelligence, knowledge and
the intelligent use of knowledge also have beneficial effects on health, for instance they act as
a brake on the spread of HIV (Oesterdiekhoff &amp; Rindermann, 2007; Lakhanpal &amp; Ram, 2008;
Rindermann &amp; Meisenberg, 2009). Finally, cognitive competence is relevant for the
development of modernity as a societal and especially as a cultural phenomenon consisting of
education, autonomy, liberty, morality and rationality (Habermas, 1985/1981; Meisenberg,
2004; Oesterdiekhoff, 2008; Lynn, Harvey &amp; Nyborg, 2009). Societies at a higher ability level
develop more complex, more evidence-based, more ethical and more rational world views.
For some scholars like Georg Oesterdiekhoff (2000) or Michael Hart (2007) intelligence is the
driving force of history.

These broad effects at the cross-national data level are backed in different societies by results
at the individual level for job performance and wealth (Bacharach &amp; Baumeister, 1998; Schmidt
&amp; Hunter, 2004; Irwing &amp; Lynn, 2006; Rindermann &amp; Thompson, 2009), for tolerance, civic
political attitudes and participation in elections (Herrnstein &amp; Murray, 1994; Denny &amp; Doyle,
2008; Deary, Batty &amp; Gale, 2008), for health behavior and health (Goldman &amp; Smith, 2002;
Gottfredson, 2004), moral judgment (Piaget, 1997/1932; Kohlberg, 1987) and more rational
world views (Oesterdiekhoff, 2000; Nyborg, 2009)...

The smart fraction is regarded as responsible for progress in a utilitarian sense (wealth, health
and power), but also for achievements in a non-utilitarian sense (music, literature, art, religion,
ethics, philosophy and world-views).&quot;

&#039;The impact of smart fractions, cognitive ability of politicians and average competence of peoples on social development&#039;

Talent Development &amp; Excellence
Vol. 1, No. 1, 2009, 3-25

Heiner Rindermann1,*, Michael Sailer1 and James Thompson2

http://www.iratde.org/issues/1-2009/tde_issue_1-2009_03_rindermann_et_al.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart fractions are particularly important.</p>
<p>&#8220;A large amount of studies published in the last two decades has shown that cognitive ability<br />
levels of societies are relevant for the development of positively valued aspects of peoples<br />
and countries. Following an economic research tradition “human capital” is relevant for<br />
economic growth and wealth (Hanushek &amp; Kimko, 2000; Lynn &amp; Vanhanen, 2002, 2006; Jones &amp;<br />
Schneider, 2006; Weede, 2006; Rindermann, 2008a). In addition, cognitive ability of nations has<br />
a positive impact on political development, in that it helps building up democracy, the rule of<br />
law and political liberty (Simpson, 1997; Rindermann, 2008b). Intelligence, knowledge and<br />
the intelligent use of knowledge also have beneficial effects on health, for instance they act as<br />
a brake on the spread of HIV (Oesterdiekhoff &amp; Rindermann, 2007; Lakhanpal &amp; Ram, 2008;<br />
Rindermann &amp; Meisenberg, 2009). Finally, cognitive competence is relevant for the<br />
development of modernity as a societal and especially as a cultural phenomenon consisting of<br />
education, autonomy, liberty, morality and rationality (Habermas, 1985/1981; Meisenberg,<br />
2004; Oesterdiekhoff, 2008; Lynn, Harvey &amp; Nyborg, 2009). Societies at a higher ability level<br />
develop more complex, more evidence-based, more ethical and more rational world views.<br />
For some scholars like Georg Oesterdiekhoff (2000) or Michael Hart (2007) intelligence is the<br />
driving force of history.</p>
<p>These broad effects at the cross-national data level are backed in different societies by results<br />
at the individual level for job performance and wealth (Bacharach &amp; Baumeister, 1998; Schmidt<br />
&amp; Hunter, 2004; Irwing &amp; Lynn, 2006; Rindermann &amp; Thompson, 2009), for tolerance, civic<br />
political attitudes and participation in elections (Herrnstein &amp; Murray, 1994; Denny &amp; Doyle,<br />
2008; Deary, Batty &amp; Gale, 2008), for health behavior and health (Goldman &amp; Smith, 2002;<br />
Gottfredson, 2004), moral judgment (Piaget, 1997/1932; Kohlberg, 1987) and more rational<br />
world views (Oesterdiekhoff, 2000; Nyborg, 2009)&#8230;</p>
<p>The smart fraction is regarded as responsible for progress in a utilitarian sense (wealth, health<br />
and power), but also for achievements in a non-utilitarian sense (music, literature, art, religion,<br />
ethics, philosophy and world-views).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;The impact of smart fractions, cognitive ability of politicians and average competence of peoples on social development&#8217;</p>
<p>Talent Development &amp; Excellence<br />
Vol. 1, No. 1, 2009, 3-25</p>
<p>Heiner Rindermann1,*, Michael Sailer1 and James Thompson2</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iratde.org/issues/1-2009/tde_issue_1-2009_03_rindermann_et_al.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.iratde.org/issues/1-2009/tde_issue_1-2009_03_rindermann_et_al.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Biorealist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biorealist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[***K Ackermann June 4, 2010 at 12:40 pm 
Well then Israel should be about the wealthiest nation there is on a per capita basis.***

Note that the study relates to Ashkenazi Jews who average about 110. I understand they make up about 35% of the Israeli population? 

Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659–693 (2006)
http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***K Ackermann June 4, 2010 at 12:40 pm<br />
Well then Israel should be about the wealthiest nation there is on a per capita basis.***</p>
<p>Note that the study relates to Ashkenazi Jews who average about 110. I understand they make up about 35% of the Israeli population? </p>
<p>Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659–693 (2006)<br />
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-693764</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[***If I white baby from a rich family was switched at birth with a poor African baby do you truly think that the white baby would do better because of some inherent superiority, independent of the opportunities presented by his upbringing?***

See the results of adoption studies and studies debated here.

June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, Vol. 11, No. 2.

Also, a good summary on the Gene Expression site. 

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***If I white baby from a rich family was switched at birth with a poor African baby do you truly think that the white baby would do better because of some inherent superiority, independent of the opportunities presented by his upbringing?***</p>
<p>See the results of adoption studies and studies debated here.</p>
<p>June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, Vol. 11, No. 2.</p>
<p>Also, a good summary on the Gene Expression site. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/" rel="nofollow">http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[***See Gould’s “The Mismeasure of Man”***

Michael,

Gould not only leaves out information that is inconvenient, bit goes as far as misrepresenting the positions of others. Very little of what Gould says stands up to scrutiny, whether it is his comments on factor analysis &amp; g, brain size, or group scores of Ashkenazi jews. For an up to date view on psychometrics and progress on understanding the neurological basis for intelligence see:

The neuroscience of human intelligence differenceslarspenke.eu [PDF]IJ Deary, L Penke, W Johnson - Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 2010 

http://www.larspenke.eu/pdfs/Deary_Penke_Johnson_2010_-_Neuroscience_of_intelligence_review.pdf
 or

Gottfredson, L. S. (in press). Intelligence and social inequality: Why the biological link? In T. Chamorro-Premuzic, A. Furhnam, &amp; S. von Stumm (Eds.), Handbook of Individual Differences. Wiley-Blackwell. 
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2010inequality.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***See Gould’s “The Mismeasure of Man”***</p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Gould not only leaves out information that is inconvenient, bit goes as far as misrepresenting the positions of others. Very little of what Gould says stands up to scrutiny, whether it is his comments on factor analysis &amp; g, brain size, or group scores of Ashkenazi jews. For an up to date view on psychometrics and progress on understanding the neurological basis for intelligence see:</p>
<p>The neuroscience of human intelligence differenceslarspenke.eu [PDF]IJ Deary, L Penke, W Johnson &#8211; Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 2010 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.larspenke.eu/pdfs/Deary_Penke_Johnson_2010_-_Neuroscience_of_intelligence_review.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.larspenke.eu/pdfs/Deary_Penke_Johnson_2010_-_Neuroscience_of_intelligence_review.pdf</a><br />
 or</p>
<p>Gottfredson, L. S. (in press). Intelligence and social inequality: Why the biological link? In T. Chamorro-Premuzic, A. Furhnam, &amp; S. von Stumm (Eds.), Handbook of Individual Differences. Wiley-Blackwell.<br />
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2010inequality.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2010inequality.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-693359</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this by any chance Ken from UD?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this by any chance Ken from UD?</p>
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		<title>By: Without Rx Access, Can You Pay For Erbitux?</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-693305</link>
		<dc:creator>Without Rx Access, Can You Pay For Erbitux?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Measuring the Immeasurable — Mises Economics Blog [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-692786</link>
		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what is needed is a &quot;scientific&quot; study linking satisfaction with intelligence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is needed is a &#8220;scientific&#8221; study linking satisfaction with intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this sounds like homo oeconomicus. &quot;success&quot; is not just monetary wealth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this sounds like homo oeconomicus. &#8220;success&#8221; is not just monetary wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: newson</title>
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		<dc:creator>newson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[note the problems with racial categorization that israel itself faces with respect to african jews, eager to immigrate.  the same problem exists in australia with aboriginals, certain (generous) welfare payments being open only to them. proof of aborigine extraction is a mix of cultural evidence and tracing (where possible) family ties.

this same fuzziness has thwarted &quot;dangerous breed&quot; legislation here in australia.  the defendent&#039;s lawyer tells the court that the pit-bull is really a poodle with a jus a touch of something more aggressive, and only looks like a killer. case dismissed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>note the problems with racial categorization that israel itself faces with respect to african jews, eager to immigrate.  the same problem exists in australia with aboriginals, certain (generous) welfare payments being open only to them. proof of aborigine extraction is a mix of cultural evidence and tracing (where possible) family ties.</p>
<p>this same fuzziness has thwarted &#8220;dangerous breed&#8221; legislation here in australia.  the defendent&#8217;s lawyer tells the court that the pit-bull is really a poodle with a jus a touch of something more aggressive, and only looks like a killer. case dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Byzantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byzantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Even then, one would have to explain why it’s “population group” as opposed to hair color or nail length that is making that contribution.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s a pretty discrete set of phenotypes.  I&#039;ll leave you to guess which ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Even then, one would have to explain why it’s “population group” as opposed to hair color or nail length that is making that contribution.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty discrete set of phenotypes.  I&#8217;ll leave you to guess which ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Predrag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Predrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Mr. Flood, for your comment. However, what I see here is that Mises asks the question - given that, ceteris paribus, most of us prefer life to death, health to sickness,etc.  what is the social arrangement that is most likely to bring about these goals? (Peter Boettke extends this analysis in a great way). In that sense, we could claim that, say, most Liberians would prefer a system that would bring about more of everything for everyone.

I don&#039;t dispute that one may be able to explain why some geographical regions are different from some other regions (in many respects). Many people have done this in brilliant ways.

We can also compare different statistical metrics in different regions such as life expectancy etc. However, the ceteris paribus criterion does not hold any more, and this is why quantitative comparisons are problematic.

The point that I wanted to make is that, given the circumstances, one cannot claim that a person in, say Germany, is more able to meet his/her needs (i.e., more efficient) than some person in some other place. 

But, this does not mean that the socio-economic system in one place cannot be changed to be more conductive for the individual&#039;s pursuit of their own goals.

I will give an example from my own life but this is just for illustration purposes. I came to Canada 9 years ago. If someone asked me, where would I prefer to live now, I would say - here, in Canada. But this is mainly because I have adapted to this place and I don&#039;t want to go thought the hassle of moving adapting to a new environment again (if there are not some other benefits there). 

If someone asked me - were you better able to meet your needs (i.e. were you more efficient as an economic actor) in former Yugoslavia then or here in Canada now - I would say - I can&#039;t compare this. I don&#039;t know; I did my best in both places. I had different things then compared to now. 

However, I could claim that the socio-economic system in Canada is more conductive to what I would like to do now.

The whole point is that if a person lives his/her whole life digging roots in the middle of a jungle - this does not mean he is less economically efficient than a BMW designer. Both are doing their best given the circumstances. 

One might, however, put his/her own value judgment whether it is better to satisfy your needs in one or the other way. Now, whether I would like to cooperate with someone digging roots? Maybe, maybe not, bit this is a personal choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mr. Flood, for your comment. However, what I see here is that Mises asks the question &#8211; given that, ceteris paribus, most of us prefer life to death, health to sickness,etc.  what is the social arrangement that is most likely to bring about these goals? (Peter Boettke extends this analysis in a great way). In that sense, we could claim that, say, most Liberians would prefer a system that would bring about more of everything for everyone.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t dispute that one may be able to explain why some geographical regions are different from some other regions (in many respects). Many people have done this in brilliant ways.</p>
<p>We can also compare different statistical metrics in different regions such as life expectancy etc. However, the ceteris paribus criterion does not hold any more, and this is why quantitative comparisons are problematic.</p>
<p>The point that I wanted to make is that, given the circumstances, one cannot claim that a person in, say Germany, is more able to meet his/her needs (i.e., more efficient) than some person in some other place. </p>
<p>But, this does not mean that the socio-economic system in one place cannot be changed to be more conductive for the individual&#8217;s pursuit of their own goals.</p>
<p>I will give an example from my own life but this is just for illustration purposes. I came to Canada 9 years ago. If someone asked me, where would I prefer to live now, I would say &#8211; here, in Canada. But this is mainly because I have adapted to this place and I don&#8217;t want to go thought the hassle of moving adapting to a new environment again (if there are not some other benefits there). </p>
<p>If someone asked me &#8211; were you better able to meet your needs (i.e. were you more efficient as an economic actor) in former Yugoslavia then or here in Canada now &#8211; I would say &#8211; I can&#8217;t compare this. I don&#8217;t know; I did my best in both places. I had different things then compared to now. </p>
<p>However, I could claim that the socio-economic system in Canada is more conductive to what I would like to do now.</p>
<p>The whole point is that if a person lives his/her whole life digging roots in the middle of a jungle &#8211; this does not mean he is less economically efficient than a BMW designer. Both are doing their best given the circumstances. </p>
<p>One might, however, put his/her own value judgment whether it is better to satisfy your needs in one or the other way. Now, whether I would like to cooperate with someone digging roots? Maybe, maybe not, bit this is a personal choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Flood</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-692756</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Flood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Economic theory’s interdict against interpersonal comparability of utility should not be abused to suggest that the ethically relevant question, “Why are some countries wealthier than others?” is unintelligible.  The individual is not a species unto himself or herself: qua human, we all “prefer life to death, health to sickness, nourishment to starvation, abundance to poverty,” as Mises put it (http://mises.org/daily/2528).Less Kantian, more natural law-type theorists than Mises, however, have not been theoretically satisfied with an empirical observation of these “preferences” (which can unfortunately connote person-variable tastes).  No, built into the foundation of their thinking is the affirmation of life, health, nourishment, and abundance as good objectively, that is, regardless of whether they are valued subjectively.  (Unlike Mr. Rajsic, I would not mention Kant, Hoppe, and the Rothbard in the same breath on the subject of ethics without qualifying my point, practically to death.)Now, an objective standard of the good is a sound basis for interpersonal comparison.  That is, one may say that, for example, Jones is leading a good life, or approximating that standard better than Smith.  And, without committing the fallacy of composition, we can judge whether one population is composed of people who enjoy more elements of the good life, and to a higher degree, than is another, and therefore infer that one population is in an important sense wealthier than another.  And then we can ask why this is so.  Even if we conclude that I.Q is a factor in the explanation and accept that that factor has a genetic as well as a cultural root, no state-eugenics policy recommendations follow.  Rejection of Lynn’s politics – a no-brainer for libertarians – should not color a libertarian&#039;s assessment of the evidence for his “racial realism.”While we are scribbling about this, we may hope that Hoppe and Lynn are engaged in a fruitful exchange of ideas at the Property and Freedom Society meeting in Bodrum .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economic theory’s interdict against interpersonal comparability of utility should not be abused to suggest that the ethically relevant question, “Why are some countries wealthier than others?” is unintelligible.  The individual is not a species unto himself or herself: qua human, we all “prefer life to death, health to sickness, nourishment to starvation, abundance to poverty,” as Mises put it (<a href="http://mises.org/daily/2528" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/daily/2528</a>).Less Kantian, more natural law-type theorists than Mises, however, have not been theoretically satisfied with an empirical observation of these “preferences” (which can unfortunately connote person-variable tastes).  No, built into the foundation of their thinking is the affirmation of life, health, nourishment, and abundance as good objectively, that is, regardless of whether they are valued subjectively.  (Unlike Mr. Rajsic, I would not mention Kant, Hoppe, and the Rothbard in the same breath on the subject of ethics without qualifying my point, practically to death.)Now, an objective standard of the good is a sound basis for interpersonal comparison.  That is, one may say that, for example, Jones is leading a good life, or approximating that standard better than Smith.  And, without committing the fallacy of composition, we can judge whether one population is composed of people who enjoy more elements of the good life, and to a higher degree, than is another, and therefore infer that one population is in an important sense wealthier than another.  And then we can ask why this is so.  Even if we conclude that I.Q is a factor in the explanation and accept that that factor has a genetic as well as a cultural root, no state-eugenics policy recommendations follow.  Rejection of Lynn’s politics – a no-brainer for libertarians – should not color a libertarian&#8217;s assessment of the evidence for his “racial realism.”While we are scribbling about this, we may hope that Hoppe and Lynn are engaged in a fruitful exchange of ideas at the Property and Freedom Society meeting in Bodrum .</p>
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		<title>By: Sean W. Malone</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-692755</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean W. Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[6 thousand? Try... 200,000+]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6 thousand? Try&#8230; 200,000+</p>
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		<title>By: barack obama II</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-692747</link>
		<dc:creator>barack obama II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would simply say that is empirical evidence of whatever you want it to be.  Nothing can be determined from that information alone.  Statistical Analysis was a beautiful class and I would be interested to see what equation is being used to control for the contribution that ONLY &quot;population group&quot; has on IQ.  Even then, one would have to explain why it&#039;s &quot;population group&quot; as opposed to hair color or nail length that is making that contribution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would simply say that is empirical evidence of whatever you want it to be.  Nothing can be determined from that information alone.  Statistical Analysis was a beautiful class and I would be interested to see what equation is being used to control for the contribution that ONLY &#8220;population group&#8221; has on IQ.  Even then, one would have to explain why it&#8217;s &#8220;population group&#8221; as opposed to hair color or nail length that is making that contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Predrag</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-692742</link>
		<dc:creator>Predrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been labeled many things. It&#039;s pretty ironic actually, since I am quite label-averse. But, that&#039;s beside the point. All the best!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been labeled many things. It&#8217;s pretty ironic actually, since I am quite label-averse. But, that&#8217;s beside the point. All the best!</p>
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		<title>By: Beefcake the Mighty</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12881/measuring-the-immeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-692740</link>
		<dc:creator>Beefcake the Mighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, by your evasion I conclude you&#039;re an open borders advocate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, by your evasion I conclude you&#8217;re an open borders advocate.</p>
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