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Source link: http://archive.mises.org/12580/renouncing-american-citizenship/

Renouncing American Citizenship

April 28, 2010 by

Every socialist and fascist regime in history has put up walls to prevent flight by people and capital. This is why people and capital are flying now, while they still can. In so doing, they are inspired by the writings of the American revolutionaries. FULL ARTICLE by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.


Christopher April 28, 2010 at 8:22 am

502 people out over 280 million isn’t what I would call significant. Unless you are independently wealthy I can’t think of any significantly better places for the average worker to reside in other than the U.S.A..

Robby April 28, 2010 at 8:42 am

But if you are independently wealthy, there are many reasons to shop around for a better situation.

Predrag April 28, 2010 at 9:51 am

what if the trend continues?

2008 125 1/2 of 502
2009 2,008 4 quarters x 502 people 8 x previous year
2010 32,257 8 x previous year
2011 518,169 8 x previous year
2012 8,323,861 8 x previous year
2013 133,714,496 8 x previous year

Aryn September 30, 2010 at 8:57 am

How is the US a great place for the average worker? American’s make next to nothing on average, have a ridiculously low minimum wage and very little in the way of worker’s rights. I worked there doing a full time night shit making less than $10/hour. The country I’m in now has a minimum wage of $15 an hour for 15 year olds and the minimum wage goes up pending on your age and what job you do.

Eric April 28, 2010 at 8:42 am

Chris take a look at the 3 flag (sometimes called 5 flag) theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_traveler

otiose April 28, 2010 at 11:10 am

is there a better alternative? europe is not any better than the US for the points you highlighted. Perhaps Asia seems to be the only option. But then how many people are willing to give up all this and go to a nation which does not speak there language, is not “developed”?
There is no place to run and hide.

Predrag April 28, 2010 at 11:13 am

you would be surprised how quickly one can learn a foreign language when everything depends on it.

Augustine April 28, 2010 at 11:52 am

As a foreigner and a LEGAL immigrant to this country, I’m getting more and more disillusioned about it. I came here with an image of America based on history that’s been very hard to find even after over a decade, but that in the last few years has actually been vaporizing right before my eyes.

When I came here I was eager for the day when I could become a citizen. I even resolved that when that step happened I’d buy a plot at a cemetery, to become part of the American soil. Now, I’m finding it pretty convenient to not be a citizen within these borders: the current and past fascist administrations have no claim on my life and my home country is too far away to enforce this claim on me and on my family.

And if America decides to enact laws that would limit my life, then it wouldn’t be worth living in it anyways, when I could return to my home country, for better or for worse, without having to worry about illegitimate claims on my wealth.

God, bless America, she needs You!

J. Murray April 28, 2010 at 1:34 pm

I don’t blame you. I’m born and raised American and I’m getting disillusioned. It’s gotten so bad that sometimes I consider trying to find a place that is LESS repressive. It’s not terribly easy. It’s frightening to think that as bad as America has gotten, there isn’t much better out there.

neoaustrian April 29, 2010 at 8:59 pm

I have had the exact same experience. I struggle every day with the decision to stay and fight, or to move away. The former continues to win. Do not give in to evil…

Allen Weingarten April 28, 2010 at 1:44 pm

It is true that our government has been destructive, and one may well argue that in terms of our debt, insolvency, and irresponsibility, that we have passed the point of no return. On the other hand, the growth of free market and libertarian ideas has grown considerably. So for those of us who will not or cannot set up life elsewhere, it is an opportunity to forge a better approach.

czelaya April 28, 2010 at 2:10 pm

It’s so hard to imagine what’s happening to this country. What breaks my spirit is seeing my father becoming more observant of the matter. My father who is neither educated or political observant is just a simple man who wishes to work for what he desires, and his desires aren’t much. I’ve never been one to believe in social engineering, or the state providing forced advancement in society by absurd policies and laws. My father came to this country with nothing. He was more disadvantaged than most in the early 70′s. His only skill was the desire to provide for his family via honest work. 30 years later with the education of a 7th grader he OWNS several homes and has considerable savings. America provided this dream for him.

What bothers me more is the fact that this regression in our country is partially my fault for not understanding the meaning of liberty and what it means to be libertarian. For instance, my failures for not understanding the anatomy of the state, and comprehending that the USA is not a “pure” democracy but a constitutional republic have been revelations in my life. I feel that if our citizens don’t begin to understand what “rights” are then I will become one of these pundits yelling and screaming on television that we are a nation of sheep & we deserve to fall as a nation.

I just never thought, in my life, that understanding liberty would be such a profound & life changing experience. I’m begining to think that anyone who is not passionate about liberty is utterly doomed in never understanding the gift of life.

Jake_nonphixion April 28, 2010 at 5:22 pm

There’s no doubt in my mind that I will be leaving this country. I am about to graduate at the top of my class with a degree in civil engineering, and I’m willing to take any position that sends me over seas. I’d prefer to move to Asia, but there are regions that are certainly appealing. I’m sorry to those of you that don’t have the same freedom from attachment. Good luck changing things here, but as much progress as this movement has made (my own involvement as evidence of this), the vast majority of those I talk to are willfully ignorant to reality. Human beings greatest flaw is not our capacity for evil, but laziness. Primarily intellectual laziness.

Dave Albin April 28, 2010 at 11:20 pm

Check out Costa Rica – I’ve been there, and its really pretty and growing (and low cost of living). I think they still have no national debt, too.

Ned Netterville April 28, 2010 at 6:11 pm

Renounce citizenship by some stupid, formal procedure devised by a state, to which I grant no legitimacy whatsoever? (See Lysander Spooner’s “Constitution of no authority.”) Not a chance! What citizenship!?! I was born on American soil claimed by useless state and federal governments, but I do not recognize those entities as anything more than bothersome legal fictions. The one and only higher authority I recognize is God. I am a citizen of God’s world, period–constitutional nonsense to the contrary notwithstanding. My God doesn’t brook such government pretenders as the United States or its various subdivisions. Renouncing citizenship by some silly procedure devised by a state would, it seems to me, acknowledge that fictitious entity’s claim of ownership…er, citizenship.

Guard May 3, 2010 at 3:15 am

Right on dude! Asking the government for permission to quit? Ridiculous! This is like playing a game with somebody, but with the understanding that they can change the rules anytime they want. It is always amazing to me that the government gets so many takers.
The only power they have over me is a gun pointed at my head, but they can’t follow me everywhere all the time and when I die it will be God’s time, not theirs.

John Scott April 28, 2010 at 6:20 pm

I had an IT company in Seattle; closed up that office and moved to Tokyo several years ago because of excessive taxes.

At one point I considered renouncing citizenship, but even if you do, they require you to pay taxes for 10 years after renunciation, even if you don’t step foot in the US.

newson April 28, 2010 at 9:34 pm

forget about australia. we’re fellow passengers on the road to serfdom.

the article is grim. as far as i’m aware, no state has ever become totalitarian whilst citizens are allowed to possess firearms. guns may be the canary in the mine.

Gil April 29, 2010 at 9:44 pm

Nazi Germany and Saddam’s Iraq are two exceptions that comes to mind. Besides Australia hasn’t banned guns rather there’s now strict licencing and you can’t own a gun for the sake of it. However the most token excuse is ‘hunting’ thus if you get a hunting licence you own guns again. One fellow who own guns via hunting tells of his escapades in a way that a listener could forget any ever happened to guns in 1997. On the other hand, the Australian Constitution has the opposite of the U.S.’s 2nd Amendment – Chapter V, 114: “A State shall not, without the consent of the Parliament of the Commonwealth, raise or maintain any naval or military force . . .”.

David C April 28, 2010 at 10:45 pm

Dammit, when Lew says “Get out while the getting is good!”. I take that very seriously because he is very smart about these things, and usually hits the nail on the head. BUT WHERE? DAMMIT!!!!

A quick look at the economic freedom index ( http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.aspx ) will show that there about only a dozen countries that compare to the USA, and none of them even has an economy close to the size of the USA. Also, even many of them have problems. HK and Switzerland is very dependent on the financial sector, not good!!!!. Singapore is rather poor about civil liberties. Australia is very (internet) censorship happy. In New Zealand and Canada government spending is around 40% of GDP, the UK 44% Denmark 50% … as in, I’m going to go through all the effort to leave the states to go there?? Freaking hell no! Maybe Ireland or Chile?

Don’t get me wrong. I am very open to an exit strategy. We have all seen other countries go down this path, and it is not pretty. But until I see a real exit strategy open up, something I can grab on to, I don’t see myself going anywhere any time soon. Seriously, the USA is a big country, it seems like escape and avoidance strategies here are still the best option.

HL April 29, 2010 at 4:50 pm

Rabbi Mayer Schiller gave a great speech on this topic a long time ago at a politically taboo conference. Here’s a video. Basically, he says you can learn from the Jewish experience. Retreat into your tribe and draw strength from your faith. Yeah, life will not be a full of Sunshine, but you and your tribe will survive, and so will your soul.

So, go back to your roots. You can be “free” anywhere, even in a ghetto. That said, I kind of like Singapore though….

sam April 28, 2010 at 10:52 pm

United States is starting to look like a backward country. Immigrants from India and china and Europe are very educated, but Americans really don’t care. There was a time when Americans held all the degrees.
Many foreigners are starting to feel that the culture in USA is not same as it used to be especially after 911. United States comes across as a military bully to all foreign countries This is why I am seeing more and more people prefer to live in Australia , New Zealand , and even China and India, and the list gets bigger. Because of poor leadership crime is on the rise not really a good place to live. Poor leadership, poor culture , and unfriendly to foreigners(no social life) are making foreigners look elsewhere. In fact Americans themselves cant find jobs here because of outsourcing will be moving in large numbers as time goes on .

cavalier973 April 29, 2010 at 12:01 am

I hold out hope that the FedGov will collapse under its own weight, and that individual states will take the opportunity to secede. In the meantime, I do what I can to spread the education I gain from http://www.mises.org, http://www.lewrockwell.com, http://www.fee.org, and other sites to those in my “sphere”.

Bill Miller April 29, 2010 at 7:12 pm

The problem isn’t that Americans have fewer degrees-it’s the fact that real work experience and useful skills have been displaced (thanks to insane government policies) by useless activities that produce nothing. For example, the tax code alone necessitates having an army of accountants to prepare Americans’ tax returns. How many of these accountants could be doing business accounting, engineering, or something else that adds real value to the economy? That’s just the start. Government policy has turned this country into a nation of bureaucrats, incapable of producing anything that anyone else would want to buy, living off of borrowed time through the dollar’s reserve status (which causes foreigners to subsidize the consumption of Americans). I often hear statist politicians bemoan the destruction of the nation’s manufacturing base, when it has primarily been their own policies that have led to it, by discouraging productivity and encouraging the growth of a class of people dependent on state largesse for their survival.

kniaz April 29, 2010 at 8:08 pm

I’m surprised none of you mention Somalia, the country with the lowest tax rates and the most liberal gun ownership laws, as a viable option. Should be a libertarian’s dream come true! Oh wait, for all your talk of how wonderful it is to be left unburdened by a growing state, nobody is actually willing to go to a place where 10% of children die at birth. Here’s an idea Mr. Rockwell, why don’t you write your columns from Somalia? I’m sure you would be just as popular on the net, and as a bonus, less of a hypocrite! I know I know, you’re concerned about the Islamic militias (http://mises.org/daily/2212). But hey, they haven’t been able to destroy Somalia’s vibrant “zone of liberty” entirely in the four years since you wrote that article. Best of all, there’s still no central bank!

Jonathan Finegold Catalán April 29, 2010 at 8:23 pm

I’m sure it’s easy to attack the libertarian position by pointing towards Somalia, a country that was once burdened by large government and beset by civil war. A country that has not yet had the two hundred years of capital accumulation that has allowed people in the United States to live the lifestyles they currently do. A country where war endangers individuals’ right to their property, persuading would-be entrepreneurs to instead opt to stash their “dead capital” and pursue other, more fruitful ends. Yes, it is quite easy to attack libertarians by setting up strawmen and ignoring libertarian theory altogether.

kniaz April 29, 2010 at 9:52 pm

You’re right. It is easy. What made it so easy in this case was that Mr. Rockwell says hardly anything about libertarian theory. The whole piece is a polemic for emigration that is supposed to scare people with phrases like “unleashing the greedy hand of the predator state to extract every last dime.” The funniest part, I think, is that the focus on economic driving factors is leading people to talk about China, India, Denmark, U.K. etc. To be fair, most of the commenters are reluctant to move to those places, but the very prospect of libertarians putting Singapore on the table is astonishing. I could talk at length about libertarian theory and Somalia (why hasn’t Hoppe’s “natural order” come about?), but I really don’t want to. What I wanted to convey with my original post was that if one looks purely at lack of public policy/freedom of contract/unregulated environment etc. than Somalia is the place to go. Lew is so eager to convince people that our democracy is worth giving up, that he conveniently includes only “social and cultural” institutions as the things we would miss. Well, I think that many of the people living in the most dynamic economies of the world (such as China) and the freest (such as Somalia) really really miss the political environment America affords.

mpolzkill April 29, 2010 at 10:25 pm

“I could talk at length about libertarian theory and Somalia, but I really don’t want to”

Uh huh. You don’t have the first clue.

John Barksdale May 1, 2010 at 1:04 pm

Kniaz, I enjoyed reading your taunts and challenges to emigrate to Somalia. I neither endorse nor complain about the decentralized government of Somalia. The people of Somalia are free to live as they please.
May I taunt you back? If the central-planning of the State is so wonderful, surely no country can be better than the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea?
Please move to North Korea and post your complaints against the Austrian Business Cycle theory from the Motherland.
If North Korea is too cold in the winter, perhaps Zimbabwe is more to your liking?
After all, Zimbabwe does have a central bank.
As for me, I’ll stay here and continue to question, oppose and resist the orthodoxy of Statist-worshippers. Their posts on forums are so interesting to read.

kniaz May 1, 2010 at 4:45 pm

Taunting me back is perfectly fair, I deserve the tone. However, I’m not proposing that anyone move anywhere. My whole point is that Mr. Rockwell’s article, by focusing solely on economic policy, does not do justice to the political rights we enjoy. Now I realize that most followers of Mises.org aren’t exactly fond of democracy. I’m just saying that even if North Korea suddenly privatized and deregulated its economy I still wouldn’t want to live under a regime that can imprison me for life for posting on a message board. Neither would I want to live in a place that has no central bank, but where an Islamic militia can come over and behead me any day of the week. I realize many would say that all governments are based on the threat of violence. Yet there is a huge difference between fearing theoretical punishment for not paying your taxes, and waking up every morning fearing that you may be butchered by the afternoon. I didn’t think that this point of view makes me a “statist-worshiper.”

mpolzkill May 2, 2010 at 4:44 am

“Theoretical?” Don’t pay and then try to hold on to all your possessions.

Who knows what makes you defend your masters and try to give them credit where it’s not due?

And look how much better your masters do for themselves with their style of control than the Taliban does with theirs. They had the dough to help get the Taliban started in the protection racket business, for instance.

[Ah, didn't see your post, Ned. Excellent.]

Gernot Hassenpflug April 30, 2010 at 2:56 am

A good rule of thumb is not to live in any of the countries you happen to be a citizen of. A host country generally takes care not to offend the countries of the people it extends visas to. Their home countries often have no such qualms.

Katzmayer May 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm

Hassenpflug, you sould better try Brazil. It is a place where no one will offend you…Unless you are short of greenbucks, of course. Then, don’t call the police. There is where the risk hides.

Peter Surda April 30, 2010 at 5:13 am

Most libertarian literature I read that deals with country borders only distinguishes between two groups of people: domestics and immigrants. However, in reality there are other groups too and I think they have not been dealt with sufficiently: students, tourists, expats, foreigners who earn money by methods other than employment (e.g. contractors, business owners) and foreigners who do not earn money locally (e.g. consultants, investors). I would like to hear libertarian opinions on these.

If you do not have issues with employment (or do not need it), living in a country you are not a citizen of bears a lot of advantages even now. Even US has taxation treaties with many other countries so you can legally avoid paying tax in US.

cavalier973 April 30, 2010 at 12:23 pm

On Somalia:

This article is 3 years old, now. Has there been any more recent studies/articles done?

Anyway, even if Somalia is a libertarian paradise, there would be reasons not to move there, mainly cultural. It seems that tribal affiliation is a strong element of that society, and an outsider would have a difficult time fitting in.

Ned Netterville May 1, 2010 at 6:58 pm

Knaiz said, “I’m just saying that even if North Korea suddenly privatized and deregulated its economy I still wouldn’t want to live under a regime that can imprison me for life for posting on a message board.”

Ah, but if you are a US citizen you do live UNDER a regime that can imprison you for life for posting on a message board–or writing a book, as did one Irwin Schiff, that informs people on the crimes of the IRS. Jailed for 13 years for expressing his beliefs regarding the income tax in a book that he was BANNED from selling by a federal judge, he was, at age 76, essentially sentenced for life. Those who have the balls to speak the truth to the power of the federal government risk long term prison sentences. Those who do as they are told are relatively safe for now. But, when they come for you…

Guard May 3, 2010 at 3:36 am

Thanks Ned. The “it can’t happen here” belief is rapidly losing its rhetorical value since it is in fact happening here. The fact that it hasn’t happened to me personally (yet) is little comfort for a thinking person.
Right now I am donating money to a person who is in prison for “conspiracy”, which is essentially a thought crime, just so that person’s children can visit her once in a while. I am doing this because I expect they will come for me some day.
US citizens can now be, and in fact are, incarcerated indefinitely, tortured, or killed by the government with impunity.

kniaz May 3, 2010 at 9:27 am

Ned, the “BANNED from selling” should be changed to “banned from SELLING” to emphasize the context a bit better. A quick google search reveals that the book is available for free online. Not only that, but other people are selling it on Amazon! People can disagree on whether Irwin Schiff should have been jailed or not for tax crimes, but his writing of a book is not what landed him in prison.

Guard, I am not trying to espouse an “it can’t happen here” mentality. I know full well that a civilized and cultured Germany didn’t hesitate to kill millions of innocents. I also know that the US put Japanese Americans in internment camps in WWII. However, “conspiracies” are sometimes just… conspiracies. I, for one, am glad that a group of people planning to bomb a funeral caravan is jailed (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/us/30militia.html).

A thinking person can never feel 100% safe because there is always something to fear, like getting crashed into by a drunk driver, for instance. Still, the fact that you have time to think about the legitimacy of government actions and write about your thoughts online should be a comfort in itself. In libertarian Somalia the average person spends 16 hours a day trying to defend himself and his family, and the other 8, starving.

Guard May 3, 2010 at 9:32 am

Point well taken. Hope I don’t come across as an ingrate.

mpolzkill May 3, 2010 at 9:49 am

“Libertarian Somalia”, “I, for one….”

What a prat.

The genius of the American tradition of control, and Tocqueville described this way back when, is to allow almost all speech, but to only acknowledge, to even only *register* speech from a tiny orthodox spectrum. This prat is giving a clinic in the phenomenon.

kniaz May 3, 2010 at 10:26 am

Wow, mpolzkill. Carn was right on that tea party thread. You are quite rude. Half of all your posts to me have been ad hominem attacks. My first post was sarcastic, I’ll give you that, but I wouldn’t say “libertarian Somalia” if Mr. Rockwell had not opened the can of worms himself by writing an article that called Somalia’s civil war between 1991-2006 a “zone of liberty.”

As for the Tocqueville bit, it sounds like you are saying that your speech is perfectly allowed, but not acknowledged or registered. Now I know you wouldn’t want any sort of quota for political views (including your own) in government. So what is your complaint here? Is it that not enough people have accepted your beliefs?

mpolzkill May 3, 2010 at 10:47 am

You haven’t seen the half of it. And my rudeness is far more honest and direct than your snide garbage.

For one thing, Rockwell is not the ambassador of Libertarianism or something. If you want to exaggerate where he went wrong in one article, that gives you zero leverage with other libertarians. Secondly, he *was* far too hopeful in that article. When gangsters lose or toss aside their badges and titles the result is not guaranteed to be libertarianism. Look at Russia, Rockwell should have before he wrote. Liberties come from traditions. Somalia and Russia have no traditions of liberty, to put it mildly.

The point of what Tocqueville said was clear and was referenced so as to try to understand how you came to have your head so far up your rear.

The problem here is that you are an ignoramus who thinks he knows a lot more than he does. Libertarianism is a shorthand description. Libertarianism does not mean a free for all kind of liberty; it means liberty under the restrictions of law (no murder, assault or fraud). We sincerely believe the law can be enforced by better means than governments have done. We believe that governments are not even primarily concerned with enforcing the law, and the horrors of the 20th and 21st Centuries (when the States grew exponentially) back us up on that.

mpolzkill May 3, 2010 at 11:05 am

And on the “ad hom”: more like 75% was directed at your person, but when the subject is you, then, well, you’re the subject.

You said you could go on about libertarian theory, I called “bull”.

You defended yourself to someone else as to why you defend the State in public, I stated that I didn’t know why exactly you do that.

I called you a “prat” because you suggested you have great knowledge of Libertarianism and then you said “Libertarian Somalia”. And then you expressed happiness and gratefullness that your money was stolen to infiltrate a group of morons and suggest violent schemes to them all so that said morons could be imprisoned for life, also at your expense and all to the further aggrandizement of said thieves.

At any rate, we are not here to settle the issue of Libertarianism vs. Statism, that would be absurd. You’re here to mock people you obviously consider to be idiots and generally be a real cutie-pie. I’m here to theorize on how you were trained by those you defend and to rip you a new one.

kniaz May 3, 2010 at 9:58 am

[reply to May 2 post]@mpolzkill- You’re right, those who fail to pay taxes (like Irwin Schiff) are punished, in large part because a government could not function without collecting any taxes. I still think it is ridiculous to compare the fear one faces in America and in an environment like Somalia. Does the US government instantly behead you for looking at someone the wrong way, for listening to pop music, or maybe even for committing an actual crime such as theft?

On your point about my “masters” doing better than the Taliban, the most obvious thing I can say is that we should be more concerned with how the people of the two countries are doing, rather than the government. Besides, there are plenty of countries in the world where the regime is considerably more repressive than in the US and yet where the rulers are, on average, far more wealthy (Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Equatorial Guinea to name a few).

mpolzkill May 3, 2010 at 10:30 am

Are you so obtuse or so dishonest, I don’t know which. Schiff is in jail over the *income* tax (and I happen to think he is a nut, one of these believers in “word magic”. He believes he can find an incantation to ward off your masters). No one but the government and their closest cronies escapes taxation, especially through inflation. What Schiff was fighting was income taxation and the government got on just fine without it for over a century and would do so again.

What is ridiculous is your comparing America and Somalia. There is no sensible way to do so, they have almost nothing in common.

Why the scare quotes on “master”? How is your “reasoning” here any different than the house slave truly loving the kitchen and telling his children about the horrors the field slaves are subjected to by the Overseer?

I don’t know what you’re talking about in the beginning of your second paragraph, and your suggestion at the end that the rulers of Equatorial Guinea are wealthier than the rulers of the FED is hilariously childish. As to the Saudis: from America, Magical American paper to the Middle East; from the Middle East, black gold to America and Asia; from Asia, toys to America and it’s Middle Eastern gangster clients.

You also kill me in how you come here acting as if you just and for the first time thought up these incredible putdowns and conversation stopping arguments as if we haven’t heard your crudities and slave logic a thousand times.

Ned Netterville May 5, 2010 at 10:30 am

Knias: “People can disagree on whether Irwin Schiff should have been jailed or not for tax crimes, but his writing of a book is not what landed him in prison.”

Mr. Knaiz, Irwin went to prison three times for “tax crimes.” In each case he was jailed after publishing a book in which he told people they need not pay the federal income tax. I have not paid any federal (state and local too) income or employment tax since 1971. Since I never wrote a best-selling book touting my tax resistance, as Irwin did, or encouraging others to join me in resisting taxes, unlike Irwin I have never been imprisoned for tax evasion or willful failure to file. Rest assured, Mr. Knaiz, that no matter what the government or tax lawyers over at the Quatloos website may say, Irwin Schiff was jailed three times for publishing his books. Also, your remark on the fact that Schiff was banned from selling the book, presumably as distinct from an outright ban on sales of the book, is rather disingenuous. The copies of the book Mr. Schiff is banned from selling that are available on the web were originally published, printed and sold by Mr. Schiff, who can no longer do so because he is prohibited from so doing by a federal court order, and because he is in jail. How many people would write books if they were banned from selling their books, or if, as happened to Irwin Schiff, the author’s royalties were confiscated from his publisher by the IRS? (Proving that the First Amendment is totally worthless when the government’s revenues are threatened.) Come, come, Mr. Knaiz, as I implied earlier, if you choose to remain silent about the US federal government’s egregious assaults on the rights of its citizens and others, you can probably remain at large (but not free) for a while.

Patrick Barron May 12, 2010 at 1:44 pm

“Vast reserves are sitting in the banking system, waiting to be unleashed to create what could be total destruction of the dollar.” This would be the end of civilized society and will usher in the fascist state.

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