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Source link: http://archive.mises.org/12525/liberty-vs-the-constitution-the-early-struggle/

Liberty vs. the Constitution: The Early Struggle

April 21, 2010 by

The Constitution had been laid down under unacceptable auspices; its history had been that of a coup d’état. It had been drafted, in the first place, by men representing special economic interests. FULL ARTICLE by Albert Jay Nock

{ 14 comments }

Guard April 21, 2010 at 11:30 am

So they succeeded in replacing one rich powerful oppressive elite with another.

Gil April 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm

Tada!

billwald April 21, 2010 at 7:09 pm

Amazing! First “Mises” essay I’ve agreed with in a long time. Libertarian economics support the rich powerful oppressive elite? After all, every person can work their way into power and riches, right?

Patrick April 21, 2010 at 11:08 pm

billwald: uhh, it does? That’s news to me…

Capitalist Saver April 22, 2010 at 11:12 am

No,

But everybody can work their way to financial independence by practicing thrift and investment and living a life of voluntary simplicity.

You stay single, no kids, save all your money, cut all expenses and after 20 years of misery you are well off !

Sean April 21, 2010 at 7:19 pm

billwald,

Wha?

Richie April 21, 2010 at 7:49 pm

LOL @ billwald.

Stephen Grossman April 21, 2010 at 10:34 pm

>[The Constitution] had been drafted, in the first place, by men representing special economic interests.Mises would be surprised, to say the least, that an institute bearing his name would advocate economic determinism rather than ideas. This Marxism, along with the absurd claim, in another essay today, that willfully mindless, anti-worldly Christianity is the base of capitalism, will eventually reject the Austrian respect for the market. Objectivism is your only hope.

Jordan Grant April 21, 2010 at 11:40 pm

Where did you find this institute advocating such a thing as you mention in your second sentence? Did you even read the above?

I’ll try and withhold any comments on the “willfully mindless” comment about Christianity…

Capitalist Saver April 22, 2010 at 11:16 am

Jordan Grant,

Christianity and libertarianism don’t mix. Christianity is divine despotism, your God is a mas murderous totalitarian dictator and therefore libertarians must reject Christianity.

Jordan Grant April 22, 2010 at 1:31 pm

Ohhh, gotcha. Strong thinking, there. Very “willfully mindful”. You of course assume “libertarianism” to be something entirely “other” from Christianity. You assume, what, that Libertarians must be atheists? Or Deists? Small group you’d have…

God cannot “murder” by definition. He does with His property as He sees fit. (libertarian principle) To compare the creator to the creature is impossible, and illogical. It is a category error. One cannot make these claims about the God of scripture without actually understanding their place in His creation. I realize the desire to be completely sovereign to oneself, as this is the natural person’s desire. We see it from the beginning in the book of Genesis. However, there is a huge difference between being sovereign in relation to other MEN, and sovereign in relation to the only Sovereign.

Also, Christianity (well, those who study the Scriptures) does not support any kind of totalitarian “regime” on Earth. True Christianity does not try and force people to become Christians. True Christians actually understand the nature and heart of men…that faith in God isn’t something mustered up, nor can it be forced or even bought.

I can’t think of a single religion that mixes better with libertarianism than Christianity. Any standards you guys come up with, or basis for standards, are/is completely arbitrary. Even the “natural rights” argument is arbitrary. People could just as easily claim their natural right to be to take what you have, including your life. You have no absolute basis for arguing against this..you merely have preference.

Without a foundation…without an actual universal Law that we can KNOW, then we’re left with arbitrary ethics, skepticism and relativism. I welcome those who are libertarians and atheist/agnostic, because regardless of the fact that they cannot ultimately justify their beliefs, they nonetheless respect my property and life.

Ryan April 23, 2010 at 9:14 am

Please read the introduction to “The Ethics of Liberty.” Rothbard has much to offer you.

http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/ethics.asp

Del Lindley April 22, 2010 at 2:26 pm

Christianity when viewed as the personal choice to establish a relationship with the biblical God is perfectly consistent with liberty, especially when liberty is defined as the freedom to do what is just. Christianity as expressed through the corruptible institutions (churches) of men can never be perfectly consistent with liberty.

Stephen Grossman April 24, 2010 at 9:18 am

My first sentence should have quotes since it was from the article. Thus the claim , in the article, that the “first thing” about the Constitution is, not its ideas, but the economic class of its creators, is, very obviously, Marxist.

Faith in the alleged supernatural, very obviously, requires taking leave of one’s senses as well as going out of one’s mind, as you would recognize if you were not an intellectual coward and fraud. Faith, of course, is accepting an idea without evidence. You will now babble mindlessly about how your emotions are a pipeline to the Beyond. Evasion and the rationalization of evasion are destructive. Reason is man’s basic method of survival. Survival is the purpose of morality and man’s life as a rational animal is the standard. But if you want to nail yourself to a cross, don’t let me stop you and don’t ask that I join your morally depraved lust for suffering, your own and others. My own life and happiness, here in the concrete, material universe, are my highest moral values.

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