Comments on: Our Founders’ Supreme Court Litmus Tests

By: tungsten watches

tungsten watches — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:14:04 +0000

“Unfortunately the founding fathers put their trust in a coercive monopoly in order to protect Americans’ rights and liberties, with an unhappy result.”fortunes, and sacred honor at great personal risk in order to, in God’s providence, give birth to this nation.
The mere fact they were slave-owners while talking of concepts of justice, freedom, etc., pretty much sinks the debate from the beginnings.

By: S. Reiber

S. Reiber — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:26:49 +0000

The founding fathers of America were certainly not scum since a great number of them were professing Christians and all pledged their life, fortunes, and sacred honor at great personal risk in order to, in God’s providence, give birth to this nation. This is not to say they were perfect and this does not miss the point that they lived in a certain time in history and were influenced by this both good and bad. As you judge them be sure to realize that, Lord willing, people will judge this generation 200 years from now and will find that we killed about 1.5 million innocent babies in the womb per year; that we steal and promote covetousness each person against their neighbor on a national basis; And many other such faults — which our founding fathers did not do. Or if one were to compare the American war for Independence as a return to Constitutional Government assuring form and freedom, as compared to say, the French Revolution with its wholesale theft, murder, atrocities — and what was even worse that which followed, Napoleon! Obviously the Christian based government by law, not by men, with liberty and justice, was vastly superior. Such ignorant dismissals of the Founding Fathers displays a failure in both ethics and history.

By: Right-Wing Links (April 14, 2010)

Right-Wing Links (April 14, 2010) — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:03:55 +0000

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By: Frank

Frank — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:14:53 +0000

If you cherry-picked and edited quotes like this, you could probably make today’s politicians sound pretty libertarian, too.

By: Magnus

Magnus — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:23:01 +0000

My home is invaded regularly by people calling themselves my “government.” They knock their filthy mafioso mitts on my door all the time collecting payments from me on a debt I never agreed to pay.

They call it “taxation.”

You could try calling a cop to get that rampant spree of theft to stop, but the problem with that response is that the cops are paid by the proceeds of the theft. As a result, they are less than helpful or sympathetic.

By: Magnus

Magnus — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:18:38 +0000

Because most people don’t want freedom. They prefer to receive the benefits of an institutionalized system of theft that gives them a cut of the loot.

By: mikey

mikey — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:48:51 +0000

Why has freedom become such a hard sell?

By: Nate

Nate — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:51:57 +0000

Dick Fox,

The funding of the police system through exploitative taxation seems perfectly reasonable to me.

/sarcasm

By: Dick Fox

Dick Fox — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:58:05 +0000

Anarchy is alive and well with the unreasonable. I wonder how many of you tearing down the principles of the founding of our nation would refuse to call a cop if your home was invaded?

By: Gil

Gil — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:33:38 +0000

‘Holy Fathers’, indeed! Why does resorting to the “What Would The Founding Fathers Want” resonate so well that every person in the U.S.A. of different political stripes use it every once in a while? Those guys were like any other in that they didn’t practice very well what they preached. (It’s even said Patrick “give me liberty or give me death” Henry imprisoned his wife in the basement because he considered too crazy). The mere fact they were slave-owners while talking of concepts of justice, freedom, etc., pretty much sinks the debate from the beginnings. The notion that the nobility should be free while everyone else should be seen but not heard is merely adopted the British system they supposedly fought off. If anything it would prove the ‘Revolution’ was fought to merely create a homegrown government where the taxes ‘stay at home’ as opposed to a new and different system.

By: billwald

billwald — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:15:03 +0000

Chief Justice John Marshall: The Constitution says what we say it says.

By: RWW

RWW — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:34:54 +0000

I don’t know about the rest of the holy Fathers, but Washington, Madison, and Hamilton were scum.

By: Guard

Guard — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:33:33 +0000

I once read a book in which the author stated that we do not have the right to force our opinions on others, and then on the very next page suggested voting for a bunch of laws that would do exactly that.
Many of these quotes represent the same kind of government doublethink. Talking freedom while setting up a coercive government.

By: Ohhh Henry

Ohhh Henry — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:15:34 +0000

They probably thought the people wielding the power would be "reasonable" in its application, as they assumed that they themselves were "reasonable". I.e. would tend to use the power for the greater good and not for selfish gain.The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms didn't even bother to come up with high-sounding, absolute guarantees of liberty, they revved up the truck and drove a huge hole through the thing right in the beginning. 1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. Government will decide when you're not free, because they're "reasonable", and it's a free society (?) and hey, you voted to lose your rights, or at least somebody voted for it, so get over it. After this it's all down hill so to speak, and the rest of the document is basically a list of the number of ways in which all rights and freedoms, especially the ones it refers to as "fundamental", can be violated by legislatures and courts.

By: Fritz

Fritz — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:25:42 +0000

I wonder if Washington said that before or after he sent the militia across the country to collect taxes? The inventor of “voluntary compliance” perhaps?

By: DD

DD — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:53:10 +0000

“Unfortunately the founding fathers put their trust in a coercive monopoly in order to protect Americans’ rights and liberties, with an unhappy result.”

Founding fathers didn’t do any such thing. They formed a government with the power to tax and regulate. It was self-contradictory from the start before even the first judicial interpretation of anything. The future of the liberty movement is very dark if it doesn’t get past this mythical piece of paper. It really isn’t worth the time to always rant about how nobody cares about the Constitution. It’s pathetic and it isn’t true.

By: Ohhh Henry

Ohhh Henry — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:57:25 +0000

Unfortunately the founding fathers put their trust in a coercive monopoly in order to protect Americans’ rights and liberties, with an unhappy result.