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Healthcare Legislation and a Potential Ron Paul Presidential Run in 2012

March 21, 2010 by

The health care legislation passed by Congress today is a disgusting socialist and fascist bill, and a monstrous assault on human liberty and sound and truthful economic/financial analysis. Particularly disgusting is the underhanded procedural method used to pass the legislation, especially given the apparent significant, actually majority public opposition to the bill.

If he runs for president in 2012, Congressman Ron Paul, or whoever carries his standard, should make this legislation a major issue. Congressman Paul should campaign that he will act with all the power of the presidency to attempt to repeal this legislation in its entirety, no qualifications, no questions asked. I believe that this would be another principled manner in which he could strongly differentiate himself from the liars, hypocrites, and statists that comprise the other potential Republican and Democratic presidential candidates.

What other potential Republican or Democratic presidential candidate would support this total repeal and have the integrity to attempt to implement it? I believe none.

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Bogart March 21, 2010 at 9:38 pm

It would not matter. Congress has just given the USA the bird. A local congressman could not believe the Democrats could pass this bill with so many against. He forgot the bill he passed had even less support (The Bush Bailouts). This year you will see majorities change in congress and they will not have a prayer of undoing this mess.

Bruce Koerber March 21, 2010 at 10:04 pm

When Will The Economic Collapse Occur?

If there is anything that we know about the economy is that it has an inherent nature of uncertainty. That said, there are some things that we do know.

As Ron Paul mentions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2_SsLut1Bk), every nation in the world – not just the U.S. – is bankrupt and on the verge of economic collapse. The foolhardy counterfeiting by the central banks is now entering a stage where the currencies will basically lose all of their value. It will be like a free-for-all by the bandits in charge of the counterfeiting operations while the world plunges into spasmotic hyperinflation and economic chaos.

The refuge will be at the local and regional level and necessarily a new kind of civilization will evolve. There will be corrupt and oppressive areas but they will repel people and expose the leaders as ego-driven who are either predatory or parasitic. And there will be floundering areas without a clue how to solve their economic problems but they will be looking to emulate the successes of others. And there will be embryonic classical liberalism societies that will almost immediately shine as examples of peace and prosperity and justice. These will be the seeds of a new civilization.

The force of economic equilibrium will wipe out the power structure of the ego-driven interpreters and the ego-driven interventionists. Worldwide transition to classical liberalism societies will bring relief to a stricken humanity.

Robert Wheeless June 26, 2010 at 3:11 pm

Sadly, many will die in protecting this new found utopia to which you aspire. I am one who will gladly give my life to provide for my children and their family’s.
Some or maybe most will not be fortunate to reside in a rural setting and will certainly be the ones to suffer starvation and rioting gangs who will take what they want while our army troops are in or around Washington protecting the bastards who are responsible for a once great nations demise.

Matt R. March 21, 2010 at 10:30 pm

Everyone needs to make sure they protect their finances the best way they can. And whatever you do, don’t listen to politicians, the media, or anyone else who says that this downturn is “over.”

Priya March 21, 2010 at 11:41 pm

Firstly, the bill is in no way fascist and the United States is ultimately a democracy. Lobbying exists no matter what the topic of the bill is and will take place regardless of the topic of the bill and the side one is voting towards. No president has the authority to invalidate and act on congress, so Ron Paul cannot exactly “overturn” the bill. Many believe that the health care reform bill will put us into further deficit, but when compared to the GDP, the bill will not make a monumental difference.

Inquisitor March 22, 2010 at 6:49 am

Please stop spouting shit, seriously… the US is far from a “democracy”, though I guess you’re right in a sense, it is what is in practice a … “democracy”. A bunch of unaccountable clowns forced through a bill that if the populace was individually asked would never support. Even if it DID in large numbers, please tell me why it justifies forcing others who do not consent to shoulder the costs? Oh, and are you one of those people who thinks more debt is somehow OK…? Why don’t you pay for it personally then. All of it. I wish you state apologists would for once take some accountability and stop forcing your harebrained schemes onto others. I am glad this bill passed. Let socialism overtly collapse, maybe it’ll wake some people up. And yes the bill is fascist. Every imposition by the gov’t on people’s freedom is fascist. If you don’t think so, I’ve a gulag to stuff you in… see, you’re free to have your opinion (free not to buy healthcare) but will be imprisoned if you do not conform. :)

Vanmind March 22, 2010 at 11:59 am

I think the world’s nation states are demonstrating quite well the true nature of democracy.

You’re right about the fascism part, though. Fascism is neither an economic nor a political nor a philosophical system, but rather is defined as the willingness to coerce people by any means deemed necessary. Both collectivist totalitarians and corporatist totalitarians are quite adept at using fascist tactics to “prove” how good they are at “running a (people’s) democracy.”

James R. March 22, 2010 at 3:54 pm

The United States is not “ultimately a democracy.” A democracy is a government in which all citizens participate in every decision directly – with their vote. We have never been a democracy and in fact the framers of the Constitution ensured our government would not be a democracy but a republic and specifically a federal republic with both divided and separated powers. Were we a true democracy the majority of the people – according to the latest poles I saw – would have voted against this egregious bill and it would not have passed.
I wonder where our citizenry ever got the idea we were a democracy? Could it have been from the central government funded schools??? The progressives started this idea about 1900 with Teddy Roosevelt, built on it with Wilson, continued it when they finished destroying federalism with the XVIIth Amendment and then continued to make “democracy” the deity of freedom until today most of our citizens buy this hogwash hook line and sinker. The framers did not want a democracy so they framed the constitution in such a way that our government would not be a democracy but a republic.

Cathy March 23, 2010 at 9:22 am

I am Canadian and thus am a citizen of a parliamentary democracy. If you think that this is a better system of government than yours, simply look at the massive taxes and legislation that burden us. We had socialized medicine crammed down our throats in the 60′s and have suffered a decline in quality and quantity ever since. “Democracy” did not protect us, we may be able to vote but what is the point when you must decide between the lesser of several evils. In a way , things are worse here because we have a multi-party system where basically, they are all touting socialist (either fascist or communist) views as the solution to our problems. Essentially, democracy is the classiest way to oppress minorities.

htran March 22, 2010 at 12:36 am

There would have to be a massive shift in GOP ideology for Ron Paul to be elected. Somehow, I don’t see the neocons and the general Republican masses swaying to libertarian ideas, regardless of further Tea Party activism.

Sure, this bill is unlikely to shift the country’s fortunes one way or the other. Too bad it will continue to morally bankrupt the people with an entitlement mentality.

The best chance is probably something with the Supreme Court ruling on the bill’s constitutionality. Perhaps that’s the saving grace from Bush’s terms?

Rick March 22, 2010 at 12:39 am

Disappointing but not surprising. It’s what the government has become. What’s interesting now is how people respond and what happens in a state like Virginia where their legislature has rejected individual mandates.

Also, I doubt that Republicans will work to repeal this if voted back into the majority before 2014 because they’re in insurance company pockets too. Conservative “silent majority” types already with employer sponsored insurance might not like it, but because of their complacency will likely shrug.

As for some progressives, a lot of them hate this because it doesn’t include a “public option”. But some of them are already spinning it as a necessary step towards single payer because they know this so-called “market based solution” won’t work. I doubt most of them will protest loudly once the dust settles.

At the end of the day libertarians will be alone… again. Liberty is the only solution to this corporatist tyranny.

As for someone who has currently chosen to go without insurance… which is less costly, compliance or non-compliance?

Sukrit March 22, 2010 at 12:57 am

What other potential Republican or Democratic presidential candidate would support this total repeal and have the integrity to implement it? I believe none.

Even Ron Paul’s own son doesn’t have the integrity to stick up for principle. Rand Paul supports the unconstitutional detention of suspected terrorists, supports the War on Drugs, just to name a few. What hope is there for us? None.

fakename March 22, 2010 at 1:54 am

game over man, game over.

(not the most intellectual response but it’s what I felt hearing about the new insurance laws)

Robert Brager March 22, 2010 at 3:43 am

I share the sentiment.

Telpeurion March 22, 2010 at 3:48 am

It is never over.

mpolzkill March 22, 2010 at 8:13 am

Real republicanism was over in 1789.

Ken March 22, 2010 at 10:41 am

That’s the spirit! (Not that I don’t understand the “game over man, game over” sentiment too. Been there myself, and that fairly recently.)I think that Bruce Koerber has the right of it, at least in the broad strokes. I think we are living through the late Cretaceous period, and the end of scale (i.e., size) as the payoff organizing principle. My reading of the data suggests that returns to scale have diminished markedly; moreover, scale simply makes one more attractive to predators and parasites, especially the latter.I don’t hold with population overshoot in the Malthusian sense, but parasite overshoot is another matter, and I think the parasites are about to kill the host. A state can have a functional Panopticon, a basement full of nukes, and a sky full of drones, but it is good to recall the words of John Buchan’s character Pieter Pienaar (from his wonderful Greenmantle):

“You see, I have been wicked in my time and know something about the inside of prisons. You may build them like great castles, or they may be like a backveld tronk, only mud and corrugated iron, but there is always a key and a man who keeps it, and that man can be bested.” (emphasis mine)

In the midst of the end of the Mesozoic Era of human relations and in the wake of it, there are opportunities. Add John Robb (global guerrillas dot typepad dot com) to your reading list.

Tom March 22, 2010 at 5:09 am

There is no telling what effects the bill will actually have. Probably guaranteed it will mean less health care for Americans in general. If you read it then you have a lot more time on your hands than me. Remember the farm bill Mr. Obama lobbied for so hard that promised to only give subsidies to people who made under $200k? That was on the first page of the bill but then there were 500 pages of loopholes allowing corporations to grab most of the money. This bill will likely turn out to be the same. In the same way that the farm bill destroyed so many small rural communities across America this bill will destroy health care. That much is probably assured.

dewind March 22, 2010 at 5:13 am

Isn’t this bill really just formalizing the U.S. takeover in healthcare? And by formalizing I mean price fixing the high costs of healthcare that the government produced through years of anti-competitive laws, regulations, and mandates. Effectively, we re loosing any resemblance of a pricing mechanism that we had. Now how will the socialists calculate?

Firouzeh March 22, 2010 at 5:16 am

It is a disaster for the economy that house passed what dems call health care. Do they even care for what American people want? Do they care at all for elderly and retired people? I don’t think so. Why can’t we have the same kind of healthcare plan as they do and who gives them the right to force us to buy a service and if we refuse to buy it we will get fined for not buying it. I really hope I am wrong but I strongly believe that by passing healthcare reform they kill economy even more than stimulus has done since it was passed. Obama promised not to raise taxes and we will see how much more taxes we will end up paying to support this bill. Lord help us and the next generation because they are going to pay for most of our today’s debt. It is time for Republicans to really do something to stop democrates becaue we have been taxed enough.

Renegade Division March 22, 2010 at 5:50 am

@Priya:

Firstly, the bill is in no way fascist and the United States is ultimately a democracy.

You mean like 1938 gun control law in German was democratic in nature, or the 1938 German law prohibiting Jews from owning businesses? Fine Germany under Nazism was essentially a democracy. Lets talk to someone who isn’t just good at looking at mustaches of political leaders and [upon not finding a toothbrush mustache] saying “Hey! He can’t be fascist, he doesn’t have the Fascist mustache!”.

Brad March 22, 2010 at 7:08 am

One reason why this legislation passed is because the “Progressive” (although I don’t know what is “Progressive” about ideas that, if consistently followed, would lead to us “progressing” right back to the Stone Age) wing of the Democratic Party has convinced themselves that this is popular. Those who aren’t willing to delude themselves to that extent believe that the only reason most people oppose it is because they’ve been tricked by propagandists for the evil insurance companies (who actually support the bill, as does Pharma).

This legislation will be the major issue for the next decade. This undoubtedly means that Mitt Romney (who did the same thing as Massachusetts governor) has no chance of winning the nomination. I suspect that the states will be the main force making this unenforceable (they aren’t going to like the worsened deficits that this bill’s expansion of Medicaid, that is the health care portion of welfare, will cause). The Republicans will undoubtedly take back both the House and Senate this year and will take back the White House in 2012 no matter who they run.

If Ron Paul does become president, I think you’ll see most of the Republicans suddenly start acting like Ron Paul. Already, some of the Republicans recently admitted at Cato that Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes ( http://rawstory.com/2010/03/gop-iraq-war-horrible-mistake/ ). The Republican Party’s rhetoric is also fairly good at the moment. Ron Paul will still need to combine health care (which should be a strength for him, due to his MD) with other issues, such as dealing with the national debt (this is how he needs to sell his foreign policy), restoring a sound commodity-backed currency (he should sell this by emphasizing the Fed’s role in causing economic downturns), and getting us out of the United Nations (considering that this issue polled very well with Republicans in 2008, I was bewildered that he didn’t put more emphasis on it; this could be for Dr. Paul what the issue of the Panama Canal was for Reagan).

I would be much more worried that Ron Paul would fail to uphold principle once he became President, just like Jefferson. Remember, it took a strong leader like Andrew Jackson to kill the Bank of the United States. Ron Paul would make a perfect president if we already had a country where the Constitution was followed, but I doubt he has the iron will needed to drain the swamp. If he doesn’t erase these doubts about his ability to lead, it will hurt his chances of getting elected.

Eric Parks March 22, 2010 at 7:20 am

“What other potential Republican or Democratic presidential candidate would support this total repeal and have the integrity to attempt to implement it?”

Senator Jim DeMint:

http://demint.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=83c30740-e517-93b0-a484-448d7e81dbe6

Daman March 22, 2010 at 8:06 am

This may be a stretch, but I guess Dennis Kucinch.

Dennis Kucinich voted NO to Obama-care, though he still supports universal health care. However, he supports some kind of weird universal health care system, in which the government provides health care to the people at no cost whatsoever. Such a health care system is a very distant reality considering the financial mess.

Also, I guess, Kucinich shares a semi-flawed philosophy about the role of government. The government is not obliged to provide healthcare, forr healthcare is a good, not a right. The job of government is to protect the rights listed the in the Constitution, and disturbingly it does a terrible job of protecting our rights, so in no way can you expect government to manage our privileges.

Ignorance has prevailed once again in the U.S. House of Representatives!

This is why Dr. Ron Paul NEEDS to run for President in 2012.

If the financial situation gets worse(which it will), and if he advertises his opposition to the health care bill, gets the backing of Jesse Ventura, Bob Barr, Barry Goldwater Jr., Michael Badnarik, Chuck Baldwin, he’s definitely got a shot.

I just hope that Obama doesn’t completely destroy the republic before 2012!

Eric M. Staib March 23, 2010 at 2:57 am

“Also, I guess, Kucinich shares a semi-flawed philosophy about the role of government.”

/\Understatement of the year, lol.

“I just hope that Obama doesn’t completely destroy the republic before 2012!”

That wouldn’t be the worst thing to ever happen.

J Cortez March 22, 2010 at 9:05 am

I am mad right now, but when this ends up in a way the planners never imagined, I will be laughing. Some of the coverage of this is pretty funny. I am blown away by the level of ignorance. These people think they can legislate anything, even sunlight. This is garbage legislation from a garbage congress.

The_Orlonater March 22, 2010 at 9:27 am

This is insane, how is it possible that many of you still have faith in electoral politics and democracy to overturn such monstrosities? This is exactly how national democracy is supposed to work and it’s the institution that produces these monstrous results. The only solution is the dissolution of the United States, and the dissolution of our state governments. The threat of protectionism,central banking and a national currency; socialized interstate highways, national health insurance, overseas militarism, federal support of social welfare programs, national price controls, federal involvement in education, mandatory purchases of certain goods on a national level, etc. will all disappear. It’s much easier to work for freedom and property rights on a smaller level.

Michael A. Clem March 22, 2010 at 9:32 am

I have to agree. Even IF Ron Paul ran again in 2012, his chances of winning would be no greater than they were in 2008. Democracy really is a game of who’s got the most power to swing around–the apparent legitimacy of the majority is just part of the illusion to fool the rest of the people into falling in line. After the bail-outs, and after this, it should be obvious that even what the majority of the American people want makes no difference to the power-mongers.

tlpalmer March 22, 2010 at 9:48 am

Thank you for stating this. We all watch the gov. do evil act after evil act, and too many still expect the system to work.

Get over it, there is no fixing this mess we call government. Trying to do so is a waste of time and sanity.

Magnus March 22, 2010 at 10:09 am

I agree with the others here — how many times does it have to happen before people get it? The institution of government is an instrument of theft. That’s what it’s designed to do. That’s its institutional purpose. That’s what it’s good for.

The proposition that the US government exists in order to make the people’s lives better is a transparent lie, a heavy dose of bullshit designed to placate all of us into submission and acquiescence. Whatever truth there may have been to the ideal of government-as-liberty-guardian 200+ years ago, it’s gone.

Now that yet another generation is being psychologically conditioned to accept the idea that the State is the fountain of all wealth and prosperity, people will gravitate to it even more so than before. As governmental power displaces markets, the market gets weaker. As a result, stupid, greedy people (i.e., almost everyone, thanks to government-run schooling) starts thinking of government as the only way to make a buck. What percentage of the economy is now directly or indirectly dependent on government money? If we include teachers, military, government contractors and direct bureaucrat employees and their dependents? And students who can only afford to go to school because of state-sponsored loans (i.e., life-long debt slavery)? The mortgage industry (before the artificial boom went bust? Or the entire stock market, propped up by manipulated interest rates? I bet it’s well over 50% of the electorate, and closer to two-thirds. These people would no sooner vote to reduce government power any more than they would throw away a winning government-sponsored lottery ticket. Come on. Not gonna happen.

Don’t put your faith in elections, please.

Dennis Sperduto March 22, 2010 at 10:18 am

Even Murray Rothbard, who is arguably the most important modern architect of anarco-capitalism, was involved in politics, supporting those candidates (including Ron Paul) that he believed would provide at least a modest reduction in the size and scope of government, or prevent its further growth.

The_Orlonater March 22, 2010 at 10:23 am

Murray Rothbard was wrong; libertarianism is not a political and economic philosophy that is supposed to rely on one philosopher for all of its insights. There is vast amounts of literature that we can learn from, even with the flaws that is may have.

Also, may I suggest that everybody read this Mises Daily post from not too long ago?

http://mises.org/daily/4166

Dick Fox March 22, 2010 at 10:38 am

This bill was not a health care bill. It was a tax bill with provisions asking some future congess to pass health care spending perhaps some time in 2014. Once you understand this you can pretty much forecast the future. Studies of the supply side effects of tax increases, even those by Christina Romer, show that tax increases decrease tax receipts by about 2%. This is because of the effect on production from taxpaying businesses. This bill will knock the stuffin’ out of our already declining economy. If you combine this with congress allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire and you have a huge disaster that any thinking economist can see clearly.

Concerning Ron Paul in 2012, this will hurt his chances. This bill solidified Republicans. Not one voted for it. There are many Republicans who can run in 2012 and have a very strong appeal to voters. Ron Paul’s biggest problem is that he rejected Mises on the issue of national defense. If he had embraced Mises on defense to the same extent as he did on the economic issues he would be a front runner. Ron Paul is my favorite contrarian but realistically he has not chance to be elected president.

Dennis Sperduto March 22, 2010 at 10:46 am

The referenced article by Professor MacKenzie was excellent. However, as exemplified by his final statement, I believe that the thrust of his article centered on radically reducing the size and power of government:
“The basic lesson here is that politics cannot be fixed; we therefore need to avoid it to the greatest extent possible.”

And I believe that Ron Paul currently offers the best chance to achieve a significant reduction in the state.

Finally, Rothbard’s anarco-capitalism relies significantly on the contributions of others (who he was generous in citing) including Mises, Aristotle, Locke, Nock, Chodorov, and Molinari.

mikem11 March 22, 2010 at 11:07 am

If involvement in the system is a complete waste of time, I guess there is nothing left but jumping off the nearest cliff. I for one, am glad that Jefferson and Jackson and Cleveland and Paul and many others did not think they were wasting their time. History has PROVEN that no ones knows the future and that nothing is inevitable. The course of history can change on a dime. For the sake of the people I love I will not jump off the cliff or stick my head in the sand.

Michael A. Clem March 22, 2010 at 12:16 pm

That’s all well and good, but it’s important to know when you’re hacking at the roots of a problem and when you’re merely pruning off some limbs (or symptoms) of the problem. Is the ultimate point merely to stop national health care, or is there a larger vision worth pursuing?

Aaron March 22, 2010 at 11:45 am

Yeah I agree with “mikem11″ in that involvement is not a waste of time. Individuals can and do change history — just ask Obama. A few years ago he was stuck outside the Dem. Convention.

Besides when the whole welfare state collapses, that will be the chance to start the free market again. I think it was Hayek in the “Fatal Conceit” that said that true markets start in the midst of political anarchy.

DixieFlatline March 22, 2010 at 12:10 pm

Ron Paul is not the cure. He is a medium.

Look to the market, not politics for solutions to the state.

mikem11 March 22, 2010 at 12:24 pm

maybe a little off topic, but your comment to look to the market made me think of the following; Everywhere we look the evidence is all around us. Virtually everything we see and touch is produced for us. Every need and virtually every want is satisfied by people we do not know in exchange for our service to others. HOW THE HELL can anyone believe for one second that a central “authority” can have any idea what I want or the price I am willing to pay for it. They can indeed provide us with food and water and keep our bodies alive. But they cannot provide us with what makes life worth living. Why can’t people see the evidence of the 20th century. How is this possible? Yesterday’s vote has me more discouraged than I have been for some time. All we can hope for is a backlash not seen in 150 years. No matter, we must never give up the fight.

Magnus March 22, 2010 at 1:11 pm

Yesterday’s vote has me more discouraged than I have been for some time.

Me, too, but wait! There’s more coming!

After this new legislation causes its inevitable, massive damage the health care business, there will be a groundswell of support for an even MORE intrusive, monopolistic, corporatist take-over.

That was the point of yesterday’s exercise, after all — not to save anything, but to COLLAPSE THE SYSTEM, and thereby make the industry ripe for a more comprehensive collectivization.

THAT is the nature of the game these Fascists are playing. It’s insidious and far-reaching. Go ahead and play politics if you want to, but if you want to use electoral politics to advance a more libertarian, free-market agenda, you should at least have a clue what the nature of this game really is.

DixieFlatline March 22, 2010 at 6:48 pm

Backlash is a waste of time. Elect Republicons. What will that prove except that the American people have no better ideas for change than voting for their last dance partner?

If we’re going to promote anything, let’s promote the spreading of economic education and discussion about the philosophy of liberty. Throwing away time and money on electoral campaigns is voting against ourselves in the marketplace.

Reject politics, promote Austro-Libertarianism.

Eric M. Staib March 23, 2010 at 3:04 am

“HOW THE HELL can anyone believe for one second that a central “authority” can have any idea what I want or the price I am willing to pay for it.”

Because they’re taught to worship authority from a young age, even at (nominally) private schools. Even many people who call themselves libertarians believe in parents’ rights to slap and coerce their children.

I’m 21 years old, have a steady job and a car, adopted a cat, give to charity, pay most of my own bills, have a passport, and have left the country on solo flights. Yet in some of my classes here at OkU, I still have to abide by a no-bathroom-breaks policy. How absurd.

Sean A March 22, 2010 at 12:21 pm

Hopefully this brings the topic of nullification further into the mainstream

Eric M. Staib March 23, 2010 at 3:04 am

Thus far it has. Google “Utah legislature health care.”

Ohhh Henry March 22, 2010 at 2:30 pm

“If he runs for president in 2012, Congressman Ron Paul, or whoever carries his standard, should make this legislation a major issue. Congressman Paul should campaign that he will act with all the power of the presidency to attempt to repeal this legislation in its entirety, no qualifications, no questions asked. I believe that this would be another principled manner in which he could strongly differentiate himself from the liars, hypocrites, and statists that comprise the other potential Republican and Democratic presidential candidates.”

With all due respect to Ron Paul as a man of principles and intellect and to his dedicated supporters, this is a complete waste of time. A strong majority of people are against these fascist laws, and the laws are imposed on them anyways. If the correct polling questions could be asked a strong majority would be against overseas wars, welfare, bank bailouts, Government Motors, the “special relationship” with Israel, subsidized agribusiness, big pharma, big oil, and a thousand other legislative, bureaucratic and judicial abominations. But the thoughts of the majority don’t matter, because the electoral system, legislatures, judiciary and bureaucracy are all thoroughly corrupt.

I enjoyed watching Ron Paul speak the truth to power and it was fun watching the Paulians embarrass Rudy Giuliani on that ferry in Michigan, but other than bringing a few more people to mises.org and LRC (maybe), there was no positive benefit from RP’s presidential run in 2008. And there was perhaps a huge negative effect because it may have given some people the illusion that it is still worthwhile to support and participate in the electoral system.

There could not have been any more clear and simple issue than the egregious incompetence and utter failure of Ben Bernanke as Fed governor, based on the Fed’s own mandate and its own criteria for success. RP demonstrated this about as clearly as could possibly be done, yet it did no good whatsoever. There may have been some slight psychological damage done to the Fed and to Benny B, but not one jot or tittle of any Fed powers or policies has been changed and there is no – repeat NO – reason to think that any of these powers or policies is going to be changed any time in the foreseeable future. There is no hope that a government monopoly can be well managed, even if a better class of monopolist is nominated to run it.

Much more positive results will be achieved by rejecting the federal system in word and deed as strongly as is practical, in every possible way, starting with a boycott of the ridiculous and harmful scam known as “elections”. I am talking about boycotts, nullification, secession, disobedience, and taking as much money and power out of their control as possible.

Every vote and every party membership is a form of assent to the socialist-fascist, winner-take-all, gerrymandered, crooked, rigged and thoroughly corrupt system. Voting for a non-fascist protest candidate is telling the world that you will accept the fascist ramrod that is going to be shoved up your wazoo by the eventual winner. If you don’t want to gamble away your house, your job and your children on a hand of stud poker where you know that the other players are sharps, then DON’T SIT AT THE TABLE.

Viceologist March 22, 2010 at 3:01 pm

I have to say that I believe Magnus hits the nail thoroughly on the head. This bill is nothing more than a way to destroy the last remnants of a market system in healthcare so that they can achieve their end goal of complete nationalization. To think that these politicians are merely ignorant of the effects of this legislation is to be incredibly naive.

The goal is to make any private insuance and healthcare so unaffordable that everyone will be slowly shepharded towards a government option.

The only response that can save us now is for the states to stand up against Federal tyranny. No more talk…we need action!

Mark March 24, 2010 at 6:03 pm

If Ron Paul adds nullification of Obamacare to his agenda, he’ll win the presidency in 2012.

But only if he runs.

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