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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12103/trade-deficits-and-fiat-currencies/comment-page-1/#comment-678934</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gold price generally does not rise. It&#039;s value of paper money that goes down. Economic uses of gold? Because of it&#039;s scarcity and long history as money it is great hedge against (hyper)inflation also central bankers all over the world seem to have interest in having some in their reserves. There is no such thing as intrinsic value. Value is highly subjective thing. Don&#039;t confuse value with cost. Precisely because it is used as jewelry it&#039;s great as money because it will always be accepted by rich people (when they satisfy their need for basic goods  they go for luxury goods - basic human nature) which in turn tend to be producers of goods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gold price generally does not rise. It&#8217;s value of paper money that goes down. Economic uses of gold? Because of it&#8217;s scarcity and long history as money it is great hedge against (hyper)inflation also central bankers all over the world seem to have interest in having some in their reserves. There is no such thing as intrinsic value. Value is highly subjective thing. Don&#8217;t confuse value with cost. Precisely because it is used as jewelry it&#8217;s great as money because it will always be accepted by rich people (when they satisfy their need for basic goods  they go for luxury goods &#8211; basic human nature) which in turn tend to be producers of goods.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike says: &quot;You and I can legally create money&quot;

You are ignoring the legal tender laws. Your creation of &quot;mike&#039;s notes&quot; can be discounted (or the reverse) depending on the market value of the notes. That&#039;s not legal tender money. You cannot force me to accept them at any particular value you choose to give them. 

In addition, suppose I hold on to your note for say, 10 years and then trade it. I will have to compute the value in dollars of the note ten years ago and the present nominal dollar value of that note. Then I must pay a capital gains tax on the increase in the nominal number of dollars that this note is now worth. This is true even if I merely trade it for the said rent since that rent will be appraised by the IRS and I will be given a bill for capital gains taxes.

And if you think you can just willy-nilly create money without any consequences, go talk to the people who were creating the Ron Paul Dollar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike says: &#8220;You and I can legally create money&#8221;</p>
<p>You are ignoring the legal tender laws. Your creation of &#8220;mike&#8217;s notes&#8221; can be discounted (or the reverse) depending on the market value of the notes. That&#8217;s not legal tender money. You cannot force me to accept them at any particular value you choose to give them. </p>
<p>In addition, suppose I hold on to your note for say, 10 years and then trade it. I will have to compute the value in dollars of the note ten years ago and the present nominal dollar value of that note. Then I must pay a capital gains tax on the increase in the nominal number of dollars that this note is now worth. This is true even if I merely trade it for the said rent since that rent will be appraised by the IRS and I will be given a bill for capital gains taxes.</p>
<p>And if you think you can just willy-nilly create money without any consequences, go talk to the people who were creating the Ron Paul Dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12103/trade-deficits-and-fiat-currencies/comment-page-1/#comment-678750</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reading now, there is a lot of info so it will take time. The bailouts were a different story than fractional banking. And, I didn&#039;t agree with the government doing that. The bailouts were a big blow to capitalism and caused a number of problems. I understand your example and would agree that if there was a person that could create extra money like your example, that it would make him rich and hurt the rest of us. But it is not individuals that are doing this, it is the government (through the Federal Reserve) so, even if it is right or wrong for the government to do, it is a different ball game. I am getting a grasp of what fractional banking is about but am still on the fence about if it is destructive or helpful for the economy. I do think that there is a large potenial for abuse but it also can be a good tool for an economy to expand. I will keep reading and do my best to understand both sides of this issue. If and when I feel comfortable with my knowledge of the subject, I hope to be able to discuss the issues with you guys on this site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading now, there is a lot of info so it will take time. The bailouts were a different story than fractional banking. And, I didn&#8217;t agree with the government doing that. The bailouts were a big blow to capitalism and caused a number of problems. I understand your example and would agree that if there was a person that could create extra money like your example, that it would make him rich and hurt the rest of us. But it is not individuals that are doing this, it is the government (through the Federal Reserve) so, even if it is right or wrong for the government to do, it is a different ball game. I am getting a grasp of what fractional banking is about but am still on the fence about if it is destructive or helpful for the economy. I do think that there is a large potenial for abuse but it also can be a good tool for an economy to expand. I will keep reading and do my best to understand both sides of this issue. If and when I feel comfortable with my knowledge of the subject, I hope to be able to discuss the issues with you guys on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sproul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sproul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inflation results when there is less backing per dollar. That can happen either because the money supply increased faster than backing, or because the backing lost value. The dollar&#039;s backing has obviously not kept up with the issue of dollars.

You and I can legally create money. Say I own land that yields me rent of 50 oz of silver per year. At a market rate of 5%, this land will be worth 1000 oz. If I&#039;m known in town, I can buy groceries by handing the grocer a piece of paper saying &quot;Good for 1 oz. rent on Mike&#039;s land&quot;. People will accept it as money because I accept it for rent. Note that I don&#039;t ever have to pay out an actual ounce of silver for my rent certificate. 

I could probably issue something like 600 of these certificates before people started to worry about my solvency, and they would stay worth 1 oz even as I increased their quantity. I could even issue another 100 certificates, use them to buy a government bond worth 100 oz, and still not cause inflation, since the extra 100 certificates are adequately backed by the 100 oz. bond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inflation results when there is less backing per dollar. That can happen either because the money supply increased faster than backing, or because the backing lost value. The dollar&#8217;s backing has obviously not kept up with the issue of dollars.</p>
<p>You and I can legally create money. Say I own land that yields me rent of 50 oz of silver per year. At a market rate of 5%, this land will be worth 1000 oz. If I&#8217;m known in town, I can buy groceries by handing the grocer a piece of paper saying &#8220;Good for 1 oz. rent on Mike&#8217;s land&#8221;. People will accept it as money because I accept it for rent. Note that I don&#8217;t ever have to pay out an actual ounce of silver for my rent certificate. </p>
<p>I could probably issue something like 600 of these certificates before people started to worry about my solvency, and they would stay worth 1 oz even as I increased their quantity. I could even issue another 100 certificates, use them to buy a government bond worth 100 oz, and still not cause inflation, since the extra 100 certificates are adequately backed by the 100 oz. bond.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank is right, you need a reading list.

I will comment on two point:

1) As to the events, bailouts both fiscal and monetary combined with false bookkeeping - allows bondholders and employees to continue on the good times at the expense of 98% of us.

2) The scam - and both purists and moneterists forgive me, it is a simple example for illustration only.

Say the money supply is $100, and it (obviously) suffices as claim on all goods.  Some guy at the top creates an extra $2 for himself. The real stuff available to consume hasn&#039;t changed, but he has extra claim on the same stuff. You, on the other hand, can buy 2% less stuff. 

It is a nice scam. The guy who creates an extra 2 bucks for himself essentially is taking 2% off the top of every transaction, every dollar saved, etc.

We aren&#039;t in this together. We aren&#039;t in the same boat. There are many who benefit from the system, both monetarily and with power. Most of us just pay.

And their children inherit millions, while yours get....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank is right, you need a reading list.</p>
<p>I will comment on two point:</p>
<p>1) As to the events, bailouts both fiscal and monetary combined with false bookkeeping &#8211; allows bondholders and employees to continue on the good times at the expense of 98% of us.</p>
<p>2) The scam &#8211; and both purists and moneterists forgive me, it is a simple example for illustration only.</p>
<p>Say the money supply is $100, and it (obviously) suffices as claim on all goods.  Some guy at the top creates an extra $2 for himself. The real stuff available to consume hasn&#8217;t changed, but he has extra claim on the same stuff. You, on the other hand, can buy 2% less stuff. </p>
<p>It is a nice scam. The guy who creates an extra 2 bucks for himself essentially is taking 2% off the top of every transaction, every dollar saved, etc.</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t in this together. We aren&#8217;t in the same boat. There are many who benefit from the system, both monetarily and with power. Most of us just pay.</p>
<p>And their children inherit millions, while yours get&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The capital value of a company is the plant, machinery, patents they own&quot;

Er, okay, how do we value the &quot;plant, machinery, patents&quot; then if not on what they can earn us in the future?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The capital value of a company is the plant, machinery, patents they own&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, okay, how do we value the &#8220;plant, machinery, patents&#8221; then if not on what they can earn us in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David - i understand your questions but certainly can&#039;t answer them, it&#039;s a reading list you&#039;re looking for rather than a comment on a blog! But asking these questions is the first and probably most crucial step towards answering them. And the answers are on this site and in few other places. 

Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt is also a great intro. If you want something by a non-Austrian economist, Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell is great. But I stress that a thorough understanding of money, as well as free markets, is also essential. If you want to read about money and the federal reserve alongside some 20th history, try The Creature from Jekyll Island by G Edward Griffin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; i understand your questions but certainly can&#8217;t answer them, it&#8217;s a reading list you&#8217;re looking for rather than a comment on a blog! But asking these questions is the first and probably most crucial step towards answering them. And the answers are on this site and in few other places. </p>
<p>Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt is also a great intro. If you want something by a non-Austrian economist, Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell is great. But I stress that a thorough understanding of money, as well as free markets, is also essential. If you want to read about money and the federal reserve alongside some 20th history, try The Creature from Jekyll Island by G Edward Griffin.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Surda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Surda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;billwald&quot;&gt;You don’t have to accept US money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, since I don&#039;t live in the US, I indeed don&#039;t. But I suspect that is not what you meant. I recommend you make yourself familiar with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;legal tender&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gresham&#039;s law&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="billwald"><p>You don’t have to accept US money.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, since I don&#8217;t live in the US, I indeed don&#8217;t. But I suspect that is not what you meant. I recommend you make yourself familiar with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender" rel="nofollow">legal tender</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law" rel="nofollow">Gresham&#8217;s law</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Danny and Frank,
I will study the sites that you listed. But your comments bring more questions to mind than answer what I asked. Danny, what event are you refering to and how do those events help the ones that are destroying our monetary system? Frank, sounds like those people are wanting the same thing as I am. How is destroying the dollar helping them and the future of their children? Aren&#039;t we all in the same boat economically? Doesn&#039;t destroying the dollar, destroy their way all of our lives, us and the ones your are talking about? Wouldn&#039;t the reward be bigger and better if they did the things that would strengthen the dollar and improve our economy? I am just trying to see the issue from both sides before I weigh in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Danny and Frank,<br />
I will study the sites that you listed. But your comments bring more questions to mind than answer what I asked. Danny, what event are you refering to and how do those events help the ones that are destroying our monetary system? Frank, sounds like those people are wanting the same thing as I am. How is destroying the dollar helping them and the future of their children? Aren&#8217;t we all in the same boat economically? Doesn&#8217;t destroying the dollar, destroy their way all of our lives, us and the ones your are talking about? Wouldn&#8217;t the reward be bigger and better if they did the things that would strengthen the dollar and improve our economy? I am just trying to see the issue from both sides before I weigh in.</p>
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		<title>By: billwald</title>
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		<dc:creator>billwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I understand it, with a numbered account the bank doesn&#039;t know who you are - the origonal &#039;don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell policy.&quot; The bank deals with anyone who knows the number. They can&#039;t tell the IRS what they don&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, with a numbered account the bank doesn&#8217;t know who you are &#8211; the origonal &#8216;don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell policy.&#8221; The bank deals with anyone who knows the number. They can&#8217;t tell the IRS what they don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: billwald</title>
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		<dc:creator>billwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand the theory but the stock market has been turned into a computer contest by technical traders. Not complaining. My guy is doing just fine for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the theory but the stock market has been turned into a computer contest by technical traders. Not complaining. My guy is doing just fine for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sproul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sproul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yikes! See if you can find a finance/econ professor who will explain about the present value of future earnings, and how that determines stock prices in a risky or riskless world. You obviously won&#039;t take my word for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes! See if you can find a finance/econ professor who will explain about the present value of future earnings, and how that determines stock prices in a risky or riskless world. You obviously won&#8217;t take my word for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that the IRS (or the Franchise Tax Board in CA) each year increases the amount (in dollars) that I must pay because the value of each dollar has decreased. So, you&#039;re incorrect, that $100 I put under the bed 10 years ago won&#039;t keep the tax man as much at bay as it did 10 years ago.

And you don&#039;t think this has something to do with the ability to keep creating new money that we are forced to use? 

If there is nothing wrong with this then how come you and I can&#039;t (legally) do the same thing? Let&#039;s start creating currency with pictures of you and me on them - and then let&#039;s use them to buy things. And oh yeah, anyone that refuses to accept them, we point our guns at them until they comply. And finally, we have to point our guns at all the other posters here that try to do the same thing - unless they start their own country with their own central bank. Then we&#039;ll just threaten wars if things get out of hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the IRS (or the Franchise Tax Board in CA) each year increases the amount (in dollars) that I must pay because the value of each dollar has decreased. So, you&#8217;re incorrect, that $100 I put under the bed 10 years ago won&#8217;t keep the tax man as much at bay as it did 10 years ago.</p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t think this has something to do with the ability to keep creating new money that we are forced to use? </p>
<p>If there is nothing wrong with this then how come you and I can&#8217;t (legally) do the same thing? Let&#8217;s start creating currency with pictures of you and me on them &#8211; and then let&#8217;s use them to buy things. And oh yeah, anyone that refuses to accept them, we point our guns at them until they comply. And finally, we have to point our guns at all the other posters here that try to do the same thing &#8211; unless they start their own country with their own central bank. Then we&#8217;ll just threaten wars if things get out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you have so much “money” that you you don’t need it, then put your billions in a NUMBERED Swiss account. They will charge a nominal fee to hide it from the Feds.

Read more: Trade Deficits and Fiat Currencies — Mises Economics Blog http://blog.mises.org/12103/trade-deficits-and-fiat-currencies-2/#comments#ixzz0hhvpG6rU&quot;

I thought this was now being cracked down upon?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you have so much “money” that you you don’t need it, then put your billions in a NUMBERED Swiss account. They will charge a nominal fee to hide it from the Feds.</p>
<p>Read more: Trade Deficits and Fiat Currencies — Mises Economics Blog <a href="http://blog.mises.org/12103/trade-deficits-and-fiat-currencies-2/#comments#ixzz0hhvpG6rU" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mises.org/12103/trade-deficits-and-fiat-currencies-2/#comments#ixzz0hhvpG6rU</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought this was now being cracked down upon?</p>
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		<title>By: billwald</title>
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		<dc:creator>billwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A SHARE of stock is worth only what someone will pay for it. The good people at GMC and Chrysler can explain it. 

The capital value of a company is the plant, machinery, patents they own. Future earnings is speculative. In the case of a company which has no track record of turning a profit, a crap shoot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A SHARE of stock is worth only what someone will pay for it. The good people at GMC and Chrysler can explain it. </p>
<p>The capital value of a company is the plant, machinery, patents they own. Future earnings is speculative. In the case of a company which has no track record of turning a profit, a crap shoot.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The firm can then issue 1 new share, sell it for $60, and assets rise in step with the issue of stock and the stock price is unaffected. The firm could even issue 1 million new shares, sell them for $60 million, and each share will still be worth $60, since there are 2 million shares laying claim to $120 million in assets&quot;

You&#039;re making a fundamental mistake here. The capital value of the firm is not just some value you can assert, it is based on the projected future earnings of the firm. This in turn is based on expectations of certain activity from consumers and investors from a certain structure of productions, consumption patterns etc. 

Suddenly selling 1 million shares and thereby depriving the rest of the economy of 60 million of investment it was expecting changes those very patterns and the structure of the economy, so the capital value of the firm is not constant like you assume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The firm can then issue 1 new share, sell it for $60, and assets rise in step with the issue of stock and the stock price is unaffected. The firm could even issue 1 million new shares, sell them for $60 million, and each share will still be worth $60, since there are 2 million shares laying claim to $120 million in assets&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re making a fundamental mistake here. The capital value of the firm is not just some value you can assert, it is based on the projected future earnings of the firm. This in turn is based on expectations of certain activity from consumers and investors from a certain structure of productions, consumption patterns etc. </p>
<p>Suddenly selling 1 million shares and thereby depriving the rest of the economy of 60 million of investment it was expecting changes those very patterns and the structure of the economy, so the capital value of the firm is not constant like you assume.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Surda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Surda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;billwald&quot;&gt;If you want to store your money in gold no one is stopping you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And if you want a more liquid currency, noone is stopping you from obtaining it from a private issuer either. Why should legal tender laws and central bank force everyone to participate in their ideas of what currency should be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="billwald"><p>If you want to store your money in gold no one is stopping you.</p></blockquote>
<p>And if you want a more liquid currency, noone is stopping you from obtaining it from a private issuer either. Why should legal tender laws and central bank force everyone to participate in their ideas of what currency should be?</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;why is the government or the Federal Reserve going down the path that they are on. I am not an economist and still low on the learning curve, but am confused by the vast differences in the thoughts of professionals in this field&quot;

I understand where you are. But the people in charge are not trying to do what&#039;s best for you or me, they&#039;re trying to rise up their own management ladder and pay their mortgages and have a nicer car than next door and all the other things everyday people do. And they are part of a system that rewards them personally for actions that harm the nation/economy as a whole, so some of them simply don&#039;t know. Some of them of course are liars and crooks but not all.

Fractional reserve banking and central banks are a designed to steal money from the public. The first thing you need to get straight if you want to understand this is what money is. Here

http://mises.org/daily/3480

is a good start, and this is longer and more complete when you know more.

http://mises.org/books/moneyproduction.pdf

Good luck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why is the government or the Federal Reserve going down the path that they are on. I am not an economist and still low on the learning curve, but am confused by the vast differences in the thoughts of professionals in this field&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand where you are. But the people in charge are not trying to do what&#8217;s best for you or me, they&#8217;re trying to rise up their own management ladder and pay their mortgages and have a nicer car than next door and all the other things everyday people do. And they are part of a system that rewards them personally for actions that harm the nation/economy as a whole, so some of them simply don&#8217;t know. Some of them of course are liars and crooks but not all.</p>
<p>Fractional reserve banking and central banks are a designed to steal money from the public. The first thing you need to get straight if you want to understand this is what money is. Here</p>
<p><a href="http://mises.org/daily/3480" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/daily/3480</a></p>
<p>is a good start, and this is longer and more complete when you know more.</p>
<p><a href="http://mises.org/books/moneyproduction.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/books/moneyproduction.pdf</a></p>
<p>Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: billwald</title>
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		<dc:creator>billwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t have to accept US money. Your problem will be finding an employer who wants to pay in gold and a grocer who wants to be paid in gold.  The bookkeeping for tax purposes would be a nightmare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to accept US money. Your problem will be finding an employer who wants to pay in gold and a grocer who wants to be paid in gold.  The bookkeeping for tax purposes would be a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: billwald</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/12103/trade-deficits-and-fiat-currencies/comment-page-1/#comment-678646</link>
		<dc:creator>billwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Why can’t I store value in my money?

If you want to store your money in gold no one is stopping you. Why must it be in the form of government issued coins? You like disks better than bars? But unless there is inflation your gold is not an investment and will lose you any interest you could have gained by not simply storing it.

If you have so much &quot;money&quot; that you you don&#039;t need it, then put your billions in a NUMBERED Swiss account. They will charge a nominal fee to hide it from the Feds.

There is no requirement for using US money for anything but paying taxes and government fees. If you want to use gold or bottle caps for money all you gots to do is find a store keep who will accept gold or bottle caps. As long as the gold or caps are not in a form that looks like government issued money  the Feds will not care.  Municipalities issue wooden nickels for local promotional reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Why can’t I store value in my money?</p>
<p>If you want to store your money in gold no one is stopping you. Why must it be in the form of government issued coins? You like disks better than bars? But unless there is inflation your gold is not an investment and will lose you any interest you could have gained by not simply storing it.</p>
<p>If you have so much &#8220;money&#8221; that you you don&#8217;t need it, then put your billions in a NUMBERED Swiss account. They will charge a nominal fee to hide it from the Feds.</p>
<p>There is no requirement for using US money for anything but paying taxes and government fees. If you want to use gold or bottle caps for money all you gots to do is find a store keep who will accept gold or bottle caps. As long as the gold or caps are not in a form that looks like government issued money  the Feds will not care.  Municipalities issue wooden nickels for local promotional reasons.</p>
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