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The Misesian Vision

January 25, 2010 by

Ludwig von Mises

I’m finding it ever more difficult to describe to people the kind of world that the Mises Institute would like to see, with the type of political order that Mises and the entire classical-liberal tradition believed would be most beneficial for mankind.

It would appear that the more liberty we lose, the less people are able to imagine how liberty might work. It’s a fascinating thing to behold.

People can no longer imagine a world in which we could be secure without massive invasions of our privacy at every step, and even being strip searched before boarding airplanes, even though private institutions manage much greater security without any invasions of human rights. FULL ARTICLE BY LEW ROCKWELL

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Mark Hubbard January 26, 2010 at 4:53 pm

You’re just one big contradiction mossykill.

The libertarian justification of IP, and how essential it is, including quotes by that reasoned gentleman, Mr Reisman, plus von Mises in a true classical liberal light:

http://pc.blogspot.com/2010/01/some-propositions-on-property-rights.html

Scott D January 26, 2010 at 4:54 pm

Sorry, that comment was supposed to be addressed to Mark Hubbard, not that Mike Hubbard guy.

Curt Howland January 26, 2010 at 5:01 pm

Mr Hubbard,

“A minarchy is the furthermost thing from statism”

Could not be further from the truth.

Any government exists as the institution with the monopoly on the legitimate initiation of force. Coercion.

A minarchy requires exactly the same reasoning and assumptions that a total police state requires: That the state, through coercion, is capable of greater efficiency than voluntary interaction.

Be it a single “service” provided coercively or many “services”, it remains statism.

“In fact, name me some anarchists that aren’t actually on a State payroll?”

Lew Rockwell, Curt Howland, Tom Woods, Ian Freeman, Anarcho Jessie, L. Neil Smith, Mpolzkill seems to be correct, just one example disproves the absurd claim so why bother?

Mark Hubbard January 26, 2010 at 5:13 pm

A minarchy requires exactly the same reasoning and assumptions that a total police state requires: That the state, through coercion, is capable of greater efficiency than voluntary interaction.

Really? Don’t think so.

Mises.org’s George Reisman on why protection of IP is the proper role of a minarchy, and is not the initiation of force – per my argument above:

“Patents on new inventions, copyrights on books, drawings, musical compositions, and the like, and trademarks and brandnames, do not constitute monopolies. True enough, they reserve markets, or parts of markets, to the exclusive possession of the owners of the patents or copyrights, or trademarks or brandnames, and they do so by means of the use of [the government's] physical force inasmuch as it is against the law to infringe on these rights.
“None of these rights represent monopoly, however, because none of them is supported by the initiation of physical force. In all of these cases, the government stands ready to use physical force in defence of a pre-existing property right established either by an act of personal creation or by the fact of distinct identity.. .
“The fact that the government is ready to use force to protect patents and copyrights is fully as proper as that it stands ready to use force to protect farmers and businessmen in their ownership of their physical products [or once used to] and to come to their rescue when they are set upon by trespassers or attacked by robbers [or once used to].”

- George Reisman, ‘Patents and Copyrights, Trademarks and Brandnames, Not Monopolies,’ in Capitalism

Jay Lakner January 26, 2010 at 6:11 pm

Mark Hubbard,

I find it helps some people to think about it like this:

Anti-anarchists believe there is a flaw in the free market (usually in the production of defense).
Anarchists (more specifically, anarcho-capitalists) believe no such flaw exists.

In light of that distinction, is it really such a crime to be an anarchist?

Russ January 27, 2010 at 2:40 am

mpolzkill wrote:

“…Also, if you think people are “a-holes” for bringing up your very severe but common shortcomings…”

Gee, more insults based on my political views. Why am I not surprised? You really don’t know how to carry on a conversation with non-anarchists without insulting them, do you? And what’s more, apparently you don’t believe you should have to do without insults with people so monstrously immoral as to be minarchists. Just like Mark with anti-IP people. What a curious mixture: love of freedom and total puritanical dogmatism!

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Dr. Donald ‘Ducky’ Mallard: Abby, I’m surprised. I had you pegged for more the anarchist type.
Abby Sciuto: Actually, I used to be an anarchist.
Dr. Donald ‘Ducky’ Mallard: What happened?
Abby Sciuto: Too many rules.

mpolzkill January 27, 2010 at 8:18 am

Rusty, why keep asking for the abuse if it bothers you so? You go out in public attacking anti-statists armed with nothing but speciousness and 9-11, call for ever more “enabling laws” and such ridiculousness and then you demand respect.

So much dishonesty in such a short post. Let’s see. Real tough rules, Rusty: Don’t murder, assault or steal. And when you don’t have the physical courage to do it yourself, don’t call on others to do it for you. That is all there is. You fail, and you make a hobby out of attacking those who don’t (and cry every time you get hit back! It kills me!).

I’ve talked to thousands of statists, Rusty, *you* get the vitriol – and extra helpings – because you should know better, you are habitually condescending, and because you apparently have a vendetta against anti-statists due to your out-sized ego, admitted fear of Muslims and an indicated pathetic desire to appear respectable to the clueless mainstream.

Do talk to every anti-statist the way you talk to me? Give it a rest, we don’t like each other, that’s pretty much it, stop trying to incorporate this into your dingbat campaign. Come back for more, if you want it, it’s my pleasure.

Phred January 28, 2010 at 7:54 am

I saw him give this speech in Atlanta this month. Hands down the greatest speech I have ever seen in person. I cant wait for the video to be uploaded so that I can send it to my friends

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