hopefully you know what i mean now

in the case i describe…would ‘sounds malicious’ be more helpful for you to digest?

does that help?

give me money or i show nude beauty queen pictures – pictures perhaps intended for a sole audience or something?

malice or greed – if those are vice?

i thought that scripturally also diminsihing the spirit as well as the body and leading a child of god to a wrong path were big no-nos. vice or introduction to vice is sometimes the first step there i guess.

from any other point of view – personal vice i guess is largely defined by the individual.

i dont think that the govt should have nay role in criminalizing vice however.

Jesus’ actions and words give NO argument for socialism. His teachings and example are about PERSONAL relationships and INDIVIDUAL sacrifice for others.

The zealots expected the Messiah to be a great warrior and political leader. Jesus greatly disappointed them. Satan tempted Jesus offering him rulership over the entire world (hmm, the liberal dream of One World Government) and he REFUSED. Jesus is the anti-thesis of politics and power.

Liberals don’t want to hear it. Heaven forbid they personally give sacrificially. Hypocrites, the majority of them. Hasn’t research on charitable giving shown that the selfish evil capitalistic conservatives give more than liberals?

Instead, liberals insist that government must expropriate, under threat of force, from “society” for redistribution. Which, of course, doesn’t work and makes things worse. How obviously, and sadly, un-Christian!

that’s enough to stop the redistribution debate. jesus, realist, not che, utopian.

In the Dutch Republic, the Calvinists wanted the church to control the market through the state in the same way it had in Geneva. The battles were bitter, but the Erasmian protestants won in the market while the Calvinists won in the church. But the two spread their battle to England and the US.

But to me the decisive change in the US came when “liberal” theology began to take over the mainline churches in the US in the late 1800′s. Liberal theology denied all of the important truths of traditional Christianity, especially the notion of salvation. It was the fore-runner to liberation theology. Since no one was headed to hell, liberal had abolished it, the only work left for Christians on this earth was to transform society into their image of the kingdom of God. For almost all of them, that meant European socialism. That’s when socialism and liberal Christianity got married.

I have been debating socialism with the “evangelicals” over at http://imitatiochristi.blogs.com/imitatio_christi/. Chuck, the blogger, has written a book in which he insists that the Bible requires the state to redistribute wealth to the poor. One of his chief arguments are the poor laws in the Mosaic Law. I pointed that God didn’t intend the poor laws to be turned into criminal laws as evidenced by the fact that he didn’t provide specific penalties for violating them or a process. The poor couldn’t take someone to court for not giving them money. God enforced the poor laws personally, that was why Israel is called a theocracy.

The Pharisees criminalized the food laws and the sabbath law, which motivated them to want to murder Jesus for violating them. That’s just one of the worst examples of what happens when you criminalize vice.