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Source link: http://archive.mises.org/11069/the-myth-of-the-old-right/

The Myth of the “Old Right”

November 20, 2009 by

The writers and intellectuals who made up the most visible contingent of the “Old Right” were in no meaningful sense on the Right at all. They were on the Left, where they had always been. FULL ARTICLE by Jeff Riggenbach


DJF November 20, 2009 at 9:10 am

The whole left/right, liberal/conservative labels are pretty worthless since anyone can claim to be whatever they want.

Left/Right is particularly worthless since it comes from how the French sat in their legislative assembly and is meaningless today

Liberal/conservative/progressive/middle of the road etc are meaningless unless put into context. I find it best to take these labels and turn it into a question

What are liberals liberal about?

What are conservatives conserving

What are progressives progressing towards

What road are middle of the roaders on and which direction are they traveling?

Often you will find that on individual subjects the so-called conservative will agree with the so-called liberal. Sometimes they just want the same ends but have different reasons sometimes they have the same reason but just come at it from different directions and use different words to describe their reasons.

Also trying to find someone who agrees 100% with another person is impossible, so how can both be liberals or conservatives if they disagree? So I ignore the labels and look at the individual and combined polices and see if I agree with them or at least can accept them

Fed Up November 20, 2009 at 12:48 pm


It is my personal experience that people who claim that the left/right debate is caduceus are themselves closet lefties who don’t want to publicly admit their statist tendencies and would rather leave their penchants unexamined.

Libertarians are an exception because they favor both individual freedoms and economic freedoms.

Leftists want statist controls over the economy but debauchery in bed.

Rightists want statist controls in bed but a certain level of economic freedom, but not much since they still favor a strong military and a strong police force and certain trade barriers.

Only libertarians want neither of this government intervention and would rather a minimalist state that stays out of both our beds and our pocketbooks.

But most people I encountered who complained about the left/right axis are mostly leftists who would rather camouflage their statist sympathies.

Most of the time, they are on the defensive and in a position of weakness.

Matt Robare November 20, 2009 at 3:28 pm

If only FDR had stuck to his platform. But it wouldn’t be the first time a politician lied.

There’s a story that Grover Cleaveland met FDR age 8 and said to him “Young man, you might find this strange, but it is my solemn wish that you do not grow up to be president of the United States.”

htran November 21, 2009 at 4:17 pm

I don’t think it’s unfair to call FDR a “douchebag.”

Mike C. November 21, 2009 at 10:53 pm

America the richest also has the shortest memory…it is Holliday time. Don’t expect change.

Thomas Talionis November 22, 2009 at 3:43 am

I always found it fascinating that “Kingfish” Huey Long praised the Constitution for protecting us from FDR’s “Corporate State.” (Fascism)

Then went on with his “Share Our Wealth” campaign and was essentially advocating a Communist dictatorship. (I’m pretty sure that’s why he was shot)

I attribute the change in personal ideology to the corrupting power of the State. Politicians start out being for the Constitution and limited government. Then they find out how much power they really have.

The perfect example is Arnold Schwartzenneger. You should’ve heard him talk politics before taking office. Night and Day.

Thomas Talionis November 22, 2009 at 3:46 am

Here’s a video of the old Arnold taking about Milton Friedman:


tarsus November 25, 2009 at 11:35 am

thanks admin
Are you really cool

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