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media test

November 8, 2009 by


Seattle November 8, 2009 at 10:52 pm

Hmm… Silverlight. I don’t know what the demographics of Mises.org are with regards to operating system and browser usage, but be warned that with Silverlight you’re alienating what could be a large user base.

…Though admittedly, probably not much larger of a base than flash.

But a word of advice: Don’t just leave it blank when it fails to load like I see here. Put up a “you need to install the latest version of Silverlight” or something.

Havvy November 8, 2009 at 11:15 pm

Silverlight is not a good choice IMO. It’s not a good replacement for anything, and is based on closed material, which the nature of the web frowns upon.

Mike November 9, 2009 at 10:05 am

I can’t see anything here. I am on Ubuntu Linux 9.10 and silverlight does not work for me. That’s because like Havvy said it’s closed source and windows specific software.

Please use open source software and software that supports more operating systems than just windows.


slim934 November 9, 2009 at 10:57 am

The video shows up in SilverLight and it seems to work just fine.

Again though, it would probably be better for the Institute to use something open source or GNU for this sort of application.

How difficult that would be I do not know, But other resources should be exhausted before settling on a closed technology, IMO.

noah November 9, 2009 at 11:44 am

I don’t mind at all that mises.org uses microsoft products and tools. Microsoft web server? Not my choice but why not? MSSQL? Have a ball.

What I do mind is when you stray from open *protocols*. Adobe Flash is bad enough and I suppose we don’t have a better alternative yet (html 5 I hope) but please, no silverlight. I run windows, mac, and linux/openbsd boxes. I accept the pox that is flash because everyone likes to share videos that way. But I am not about to support another proprietary multimedia extension for the web. We need to go in the opposite direction, imho.

Joshua Park November 9, 2009 at 12:30 pm

Can we please avoid Silverlight? At least Flash is part of 95-99% of all platforms.

Ditto on noah’s comments.

HL November 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm

My Pc froze twice…not sure if it’s the player taking memory or what.

David Veksler November 9, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Silverlight works on Windows, Mac and Linux and any browser. There is an open source implementation too. Silverlight is a open documented standard, as is the WMV (SMPTE VC-1) encoding of the videos on Mises.org.

Curt Howland November 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm

“… and any browser.”

Not if the crash I just had is any indication. This time, nothing but a big blank square.

Going with a proprietary system like Silverlight (just MS trying to capture more market share, just like WMV, and AVI before it, etc etc etc.) is that there will be either one exclusionary implementation, or several incompatible.

Flash may be “standard”, but as in the second pattern the “Linux” Flash lags substantially behind “Windows” Flash due to having to reverse-engineer everything since Adobe treats Linux like a red-headed stepchild.

What about streaming OGG? http://www.vorbis.com/

Completely open and patent free.

Curt Howland November 9, 2009 at 1:35 pm

The initial photo frame does show in FireFox on Linux for me, but the video does not play. Hi, Tom!

So there is something “interesting” going on.

I expect to have troubles once in a while with Konqueror, like the fact that the second flash movie in a row will fail, after the first one works, but I think that’s related to the fact that it’s trying to use the “nspluginviewer” non-native media function.

I was just thinking that my distrust of anything Microsoft is just experience.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 27 times and lie about it, shame on me.

That and “cry wolf”.


bob November 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm

I’m using Chrome and the only issue I have is that the media is cropped a bit on the bottom, almost so that the nav slider is unusable. Could the media’s height be larger than its container?

Marcus November 9, 2009 at 2:42 pm

For those of you, like me, who could not get the Silverlight video to work for you… here is the youtube link:


Dick Fox November 9, 2009 at 3:54 pm

DeLorenzo quotes a number of questionable claims about Hamilton but there can be not question that Hamilton returned the US to a gold standard and made the US government credit worthy again.

It is a total misrepresentation to claim that Hamilton ever favored government intervention in business. Where’s the quote? It is also a misrepresentation to claim that Hamilton favored a central bank like the FED. Once again, where’s the quote? The primary reason Hamilton wanted a central bank was to secure the gold standard and stabilize value of the dollar.

Now Hamilton did favor a stronger central government, but to judge Hamilton by the standards set by socialists, fascists, Democrats, and our Federal Reserve is to totally distort Hamilton’s views.

DeLorenzo is a liberal writer in the worst sense. He reads his own prejudices into Hamilton’s intentions and then tells us Hamilton’s motivations without any support from Hamilton himself.

In summary DeLorenzo always criticizes Hamilton by reading what lesser men wrote about him, but does not quote Hamilton himself even though Hamilton was a prolific writer concerning his thoughts and theories. I feel that Delorenzo simply cannot take on Hamilton himself, in his own words, and so he attacks strawmen created from the words of others.

Seattle November 9, 2009 at 3:56 pm


You mean Novell’s Moonlight? The one that always causes random freezes (for me anyway, until I removed the little bugger) and is always mysteriously one major revision behind?

Curt Howland November 9, 2009 at 5:25 pm

Speaking of YouTube, why stream the media from Mises.org servers anyway?

Embed the YouTube video, and if you want provide a link to a nice quality file download.

Charles Hanes November 9, 2009 at 6:30 pm

I would recommend against using Silverlight.

Even though it is implemented on the Mac, it is only version 1.0. Since I watch Mises.org videos on a Mac at home, the likelihood of incompatibilities or problems is significant.

The best choice would be YouTube-compatible MPEG-4 files, which will work on Windows PCs, Macs, iPod Touch and iPhone, Linux, etc.

Peter November 9, 2009 at 6:31 pm

Oh, it’s a video? There’s an HTML standard way of including video…and silverlight ain’t it!

Jesper Brodersen November 9, 2009 at 9:56 pm

This Silverlight application works on my Mint Linux distribution through moonlight, although the menubar is not totally visible.

About the HTML-standard, it is a HTML-5 standard, and not many browsers support it yet (though mine, Firefox 3.5 does), and not very good either (different results).

If all technical implementations has to be politicized, I guess you are on the wrong website.

Mike November 10, 2009 at 9:34 am

David Veksler scribbled in a deep dark dungeon:

‘Silverlight works on Windows, Mac and Linux and any browser.’

Don’t make such ignorant sweeping statements David.

What part of ‘it does not work on my browser’ do you not understand?

Mike November 10, 2009 at 9:36 am

One more thing;

David, you should use pure a priori reasoning on economics not on IT matters. ;-)

nirgrahamUK November 10, 2009 at 12:27 pm

I don’t know if it is.
but is http://www.videolan.org/vlc/streaming.html
an option worth considering?

Peter November 11, 2009 at 4:36 am

About the HTML-standard, it is a HTML-5 standard, and not many browsers support it yet

AFAIK, all browsers with more than 5 users support it today, except for MS-IE. More importantly, it has automatic fallback support for browsers that don’t (could use Flash…or even Silverlight, if you’re insane…or a Java player (e.g., Cortado). Or, better, make the fallback a “get Firefox” link! MS-IE is non-compliant rubbish anyway.)

The best choice would be YouTube-compatible MPEG-4 files

No it wouldn’t — as of 2010, you’re going to have to pay through the nose for MPEG-4. Anyway, for web-video (low resolution), H.264 is worse quality than Theora.

Charles Hanes November 20, 2009 at 12:50 pm


I want the videos to play on my iPod Touch.

I have no idea what this “Theora” is.

Does it work on iPhone and iPod Touch?

Charles Hanes November 20, 2009 at 1:15 pm


I checked out the Theora.org web site.

Although there are many player options for PC/Mac/etc. systems, there appear to be none (yet) for portable devices. Correct me if I am wrong.

I think it is unlikely that there will be a major change by MPEG-LA on the licensing fees for MPEG-4/H.264. There are too many iPhones/iPods out there for their video support to be suddenly obsoleted.

It is true that for paid content such as movies and TV shows on iTunes, that fees may increase, so we may see higher prices for shows that we pay for in H.264 format.

But for non-remunerated content such as that provided by Mises.org it seems unlikely to me that the fee situation will change much.

In any case, my recommendation to the folks here at Mises.org remains the same: please use a format that is supported on the iPhone and iPod Touch. For now, that means H.264. In the future, there may be more options.

hjmaiere December 4, 2009 at 2:30 am

Please please dump Silverlight. What does it offer? Why do we need yet another video format?

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