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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-613739</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets not forget the blocking of Youtube, Facebook and Twitter by the Chinese government.

Also, does anyone expect an increase in censorship of the web if/when Rockefeller&#039;s bill for granting the president the authority to shut down the internet for &quot;security&quot; concerns.  That reason could be used for almost any reason to close the internet.  I am interested in hearing your comments on this one. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget the blocking of Youtube, Facebook and Twitter by the Chinese government.</p>
<p>Also, does anyone expect an increase in censorship of the web if/when Rockefeller&#8217;s bill for granting the president the authority to shut down the internet for &#8220;security&#8221; concerns.  That reason could be used for almost any reason to close the internet.  I am interested in hearing your comments on this one. </p>
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		<title>By: Pavle Ivanov</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-613426</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavle Ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Capitalist: My thoughts precisely, hahaha. On the other hand I&#039;d rather have the freedom to go to 12chan, or such like, than not be able to go to it...there&#039;s a beauty to the discretion after visiting of such sites.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalist: My thoughts precisely, hahaha. On the other hand I&#8217;d rather have the freedom to go to 12chan, or such like, than not be able to go to it&#8230;there&#8217;s a beauty to the discretion after visiting of such sites.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-613300</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In fact, it&#039;s such a free market that government doesn&#039;t even effectively enforce intellectual property and copyright protection. And what is the result? We see entrepreneurs from other countries imitating successful online programs with very little detriment to the originators. In fact, Chinese entrepreneurs have created very similar programs to both Google and Facebook. As a result, all of these companies have been able to generate profits while their users still enjoy the programs at no cost.

In turn, their Chinese competitors bring increased competition to both Google and Facebook, creating incentives for them to improve their own products and continue to innovate. This example closely resembles capitalist Americans emulating European technology in the 19th century or Japanese entrepreneurs emulating Western technology during the process of their development.&quot;

I take issue with this observations.

The Chinese blatantly copy everything churned out by Western innovators - right down to the naming itself (e.g. &quot;Baidu&quot; is actually derived from Google).

And as if the language barrier wasn&#039;t enough for Western developers to penetrate the huge Chinese market, the Chinese government also severely limits - even downright banning - Western developers from having a Chinese presence. So domestic companies are sheltered by government and have come to dominate the domestic market in China. This gives them a gigantic war chest to compete with Western developers - so it&#039;s a titled playing-field.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, it&#8217;s such a free market that government doesn&#8217;t even effectively enforce intellectual property and copyright protection. And what is the result? We see entrepreneurs from other countries imitating successful online programs with very little detriment to the originators. In fact, Chinese entrepreneurs have created very similar programs to both Google and Facebook. As a result, all of these companies have been able to generate profits while their users still enjoy the programs at no cost.</p>
<p>In turn, their Chinese competitors bring increased competition to both Google and Facebook, creating incentives for them to improve their own products and continue to innovate. This example closely resembles capitalist Americans emulating European technology in the 19th century or Japanese entrepreneurs emulating Western technology during the process of their development.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take issue with this observations.</p>
<p>The Chinese blatantly copy everything churned out by Western innovators &#8211; right down to the naming itself (e.g. &#8220;Baidu&#8221; is actually derived from Google).</p>
<p>And as if the language barrier wasn&#8217;t enough for Western developers to penetrate the huge Chinese market, the Chinese government also severely limits &#8211; even downright banning &#8211; Western developers from having a Chinese presence. So domestic companies are sheltered by government and have come to dominate the domestic market in China. This gives them a gigantic war chest to compete with Western developers &#8211; so it&#8217;s a titled playing-field.</p>
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		<title>By: JAN</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-613168</link>
		<dc:creator>JAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A comment to Michael Wilson&#039;s posting on October 17, 2009 10:02 AM

Michael wrote: &lt;i&gt;&quot;This wouldn&#039;t be the same Internet developed by the US government (under the name ARPANET), would it? (...) I expect the writer&#039;s next article to trumpet the free market&#039;s creation of the GPS.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The comment: No doubt both the Internet and the GPS were developed in military contexts (the first one in many ways allegedly &#039;thanks&#039; to the Soviet Sputnik launch). But the point is (1) that probably only in the environment of a largely free market economy could both of them be developed and continually improved, and, above all, (2) only in such competitive environment could both be made accessible, useful and user-friendly to practically everybody outside the military sphere. Had Internet and the GPS been developed in the former Soviet Union, there is not the slightest doubt that both would have been considered top military secrets, and barred from the public use to the very end of the Soviet empire.

In this perspective, the GPS in my car is indeed a free market creation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment to Michael Wilson&#8217;s posting on October 17, 2009 10:02 AM</p>
<p>Michael wrote: <i>&#8220;This wouldn&#8217;t be the same Internet developed by the US government (under the name ARPANET), would it? (&#8230;) I expect the writer&#8217;s next article to trumpet the free market&#8217;s creation of the GPS.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The comment: No doubt both the Internet and the GPS were developed in military contexts (the first one in many ways allegedly &#8216;thanks&#8217; to the Soviet Sputnik launch). But the point is (1) that probably only in the environment of a largely free market economy could both of them be developed and continually improved, and, above all, (2) only in such competitive environment could both be made accessible, useful and user-friendly to practically everybody outside the military sphere. Had Internet and the GPS been developed in the former Soviet Union, there is not the slightest doubt that both would have been considered top military secrets, and barred from the public use to the very end of the Soviet empire.</p>
<p>In this perspective, the GPS in my car is indeed a free market creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;One of the few places in the world not yet plagued by government intervention is the internet.&quot;

This wouldn&#039;t be the same Internet developed by the US government (under the name ARPANET), would it? Naah--clearly no connection. 

I expect the writer&#039;s next article to trumpet the free market&#039;s creation of the GPS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of the few places in the world not yet plagued by government intervention is the internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>This wouldn&#8217;t be the same Internet developed by the US government (under the name ARPANET), would it? Naah&#8211;clearly no connection. </p>
<p>I expect the writer&#8217;s next article to trumpet the free market&#8217;s creation of the GPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Havvy</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-613036</link>
		<dc:creator>Havvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You could have expanded this, by maybe a paragraph or two, and explained the situation in which government interferes, not only creating monopolies, but in lowering creativity, and possibly harming citizens.  I am talking about a move by the South Korea while the SSL draft was being written.  Instead of wait for it to be built, the government created their own version using ActiveX.  In the short term, South Korea prospered.  They had SSL before everybody else, and could do banking activities safely without worry.  Then, after everybody had SSL, other browsers than Internet Explorer became viable for usage, but since ActiveX is a propriety Microsoft addon to Internet Explorer, nobody else could use the other browsers.  They were stuck with IE6.  IE6 only works on Windows, so they could not use other operating systems such as Mac or Linux.  Because of this, over 99% of South Korean web traffic comes from IE, and it is either over 40% or 60%, I cannot recall now, still use IE6, even though there is IE7, and IE8 is due to be released.  For comparison, in the rest of the world, about 25% of people use IE6, and that number is dwindling slowly.  IE itself is bug ridden, and IE6, not being updated anymore, contains security vulnerabilities that were fixed in IE7.  Because the government thought that it would be more useful for people to be able to use SSL for banking now instead of wait, usability, security, and choice are taken away.  Such an event has not happened without government intervention on the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have expanded this, by maybe a paragraph or two, and explained the situation in which government interferes, not only creating monopolies, but in lowering creativity, and possibly harming citizens.  I am talking about a move by the South Korea while the SSL draft was being written.  Instead of wait for it to be built, the government created their own version using ActiveX.  In the short term, South Korea prospered.  They had SSL before everybody else, and could do banking activities safely without worry.  Then, after everybody had SSL, other browsers than Internet Explorer became viable for usage, but since ActiveX is a propriety Microsoft addon to Internet Explorer, nobody else could use the other browsers.  They were stuck with IE6.  IE6 only works on Windows, so they could not use other operating systems such as Mac or Linux.  Because of this, over 99% of South Korean web traffic comes from IE, and it is either over 40% or 60%, I cannot recall now, still use IE6, even though there is IE7, and IE8 is due to be released.  For comparison, in the rest of the world, about 25% of people use IE6, and that number is dwindling slowly.  IE itself is bug ridden, and IE6, not being updated anymore, contains security vulnerabilities that were fixed in IE7.  Because the government thought that it would be more useful for people to be able to use SSL for banking now instead of wait, usability, security, and choice are taken away.  Such an event has not happened without government intervention on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-613031</link>
		<dc:creator>Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;On the internet, the beautiful aspects of human nature manifest themselves&lt;/i&gt;

Obviously hasn&#039;t visited 4chan recently...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On the internet, the beautiful aspects of human nature manifest themselves</i></p>
<p>Obviously hasn&#8217;t visited 4chan recently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cocoy</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-612844</link>
		<dc:creator>cocoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well the thing is, there *is* a government on the Internet. It is the &lt;a href=http://www.ietf.org/&gt;Internet Engineering Task Force&lt;/a&gt;. Their goal is to make the Internet to be a better place. The core ethos of the IETF, which I think embodies what the Internet is can be summed up in two quotes from IETF members:

1. David Clark: &quot;We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code&quot;. 

What&#039;s the dominant view? That&#039;s rough consensus.

2. Jon Postel: &quot;Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept&quot;.

I believe it is good to remember this especially when dealing with trolls also in accepting that in some parts of the Internet or when sending email to a boss, a colleague or even an Instant Message.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the thing is, there *is* a government on the Internet. It is the <a href=http://www.ietf.org></a>Internet Engineering Task Force. Their goal is to make the Internet to be a better place. The core ethos of the IETF, which I think embodies what the Internet is can be summed up in two quotes from IETF members:</p>
<p>1. David Clark: &#8220;We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code&#8221;. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the dominant view? That&#8217;s rough consensus.</p>
<p>2. Jon Postel: &#8220;Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept&#8221;.</p>
<p>I believe it is good to remember this especially when dealing with trolls also in accepting that in some parts of the Internet or when sending email to a boss, a colleague or even an Instant Message.</p>
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		<title>By: (8?Â»</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-612824</link>
		<dc:creator>(8?Â»</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;RTRebel says &quot;...which makes the statists go crazy &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s redundant! 

Not to mention, it implies a cause and effect that is the exact opposite of my own observations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>RTRebel says &#8220;&#8230;which makes the statists go crazy &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s redundant! </p>
<p>Not to mention, it implies a cause and effect that is the exact opposite of my own observations.</p>
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		<title>By: RTRebel</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-612774</link>
		<dc:creator>RTRebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I hear people complain that kids and young adults spend too much time on the cell phone or the internet, I always laugh a little bit. 

They think its a problem, but I think people naturally move toward bastions of freedom and so I cheer that trend. It proves these bastions of freedom are more valuable than any (relatively) more command-control areas of life, which makes the statists go crazy (and that also makes me smile) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I hear people complain that kids and young adults spend too much time on the cell phone or the internet, I always laugh a little bit. </p>
<p>They think its a problem, but I think people naturally move toward bastions of freedom and so I cheer that trend. It proves these bastions of freedom are more valuable than any (relatively) more command-control areas of life, which makes the statists go crazy (and that also makes me smile) </p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-612700</link>
		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;There is a natural protection of copyrights built right into the Internet. Two entities cannot have google.com It can only be physically routed to one.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This has little or nothing to do with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright&quot;&gt;copyright law&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark&quot;&gt;Trademark law&lt;/a&gt; is probably what you&#039;re thinking of.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There is a natural protection of copyrights built right into the Internet. Two entities cannot have google.com It can only be physically routed to one.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This has little or nothing to do with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright">copyright law</a>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark">Trademark law</a> is probably what you&#8217;re thinking of.</p>
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		<title>By: BioTube</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-612685</link>
		<dc:creator>BioTube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ackermann, most people agree to DPI and throttling in the service contracts they never read. As for your claim of inherent copyright, that&#039;s not true: I can easily set things up so that &quot;google.com&quot; goes to Yahoo on my computer(and there&#039;s no technical reason why the nameservers you use have to point your browser to Google&#039;s website).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ackermann, most people agree to DPI and throttling in the service contracts they never read. As for your claim of inherent copyright, that&#8217;s not true: I can easily set things up so that &#8220;google.com&#8221; goes to Yahoo on my computer(and there&#8217;s no technical reason why the nameservers you use have to point your browser to Google&#8217;s website).</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-612647</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It remains to be seen whether the Internet will stay this way. At least, we&#039;ll have this article to look back and say how it was or could have stayed.

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It remains to be seen whether the Internet will stay this way. At least, we&#8217;ll have this article to look back and say how it was or could have stayed.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: K Ackermann</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10849/witness-the-freest-economy-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-612622</link>
		<dc:creator>K Ackermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So far, regulations have slapped down the attempts of private enterprise to restrict the flow of information and content. Companies are working to undo those regulations.

Actually, some ISP&#039;s still perform deep packet inspection, and throttle some content.

Cell phone application space is anything but open.
 
Now we will see what the government does. We know it loves our data. It&#039;s sucking up everything that we do.

There is a natural protection of copyrights built right into the Internet. Two entities cannot have google.com It can only be physically routed to one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, regulations have slapped down the attempts of private enterprise to restrict the flow of information and content. Companies are working to undo those regulations.</p>
<p>Actually, some ISP&#8217;s still perform deep packet inspection, and throttle some content.</p>
<p>Cell phone application space is anything but open.</p>
<p>Now we will see what the government does. We know it loves our data. It&#8217;s sucking up everything that we do.</p>
<p>There is a natural protection of copyrights built right into the Internet. Two entities cannot have google.com It can only be physically routed to one.</p>
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