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		<title>By: K Ackermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Ackermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And then there is the matter of the Fed paying interest on excess reserves.

Why not just mop them up? The banks are healthy, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there is the matter of the Fed paying interest on excess reserves.</p>
<p>Why not just mop them up? The banks are healthy, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ernie,

The link below is to a comic and humorous short story by Irwin Schiff which is a great primer on the Austrian business cycle for beginners; it explains the difference between money and real savings very well.
 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7500410/How-an-Economy-Grows-and-Why-It-Doesnt-Irwin-Schiff
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernie,</p>
<p>The link below is to a comic and humorous short story by Irwin Schiff which is a great primer on the Austrian business cycle for beginners; it explains the difference between money and real savings very well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/7500410/How-an-Economy-Grows-and-Why-It-Doesnt-Irwin-Schiff" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/7500410/How-an-Economy-Grows-and-Why-It-Doesnt-Irwin-Schiff</a></p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[M Dunton

&quot;Ron Paul could get his way by default; the Fed could self-destruct without a single shot (legislation) being fired.&quot;

I agree -- especially if we have another leg down in the next 12-24 months. However, it is only a matter of time....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M Dunton</p>
<p>&#8220;Ron Paul could get his way by default; the Fed could self-destruct without a single shot (legislation) being fired.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree &#8212; especially if we have another leg down in the next 12-24 months. However, it is only a matter of time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dunton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dunton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is important to remember the reason the Fed is expanding its balance sheet--to keep the bubble inflated long enough in order for Mr. and Mrs. America to take over.  This mis-guided policy has boxed the Fed into a corner from which it can&#039;t stomach the possibilities after exiting the pumping.  Pump too long and we could fling ourselves into inflation and crash the dollar.  Get religon and see the light of day to exit this hopeless cycle would bring us more asset deflation--something they are deathly afraid of.  Until enough people in Washington see the fingerprints of the Fed on the financial mess, the medicine will never be taken and the delay in malinvestment liquidation will make the recovery increasingly harder.

The malinvestments have not been liquidated completely--the Fed seems to think they shouldn&#039;t have to be.  All those years of cheap money and malinvestment excess have to be reckoned with.  The Fed&#039;s pumping will add to the reckoning. 

The way the Fed is playing around with things, we could have both deflation and hyperinflation in short order.  The Fed is giving itself liquidity trouble by doing something they wouldn&#039;t allow their regulated banks to do: buy gobs of long-term securities at high prices with short-term demand deposits.  The result of this madness could derail us for years.

Ron Paul could get his way by default; the Fed could self-destruct without a single shot (legislation) being fired. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to remember the reason the Fed is expanding its balance sheet&#8211;to keep the bubble inflated long enough in order for Mr. and Mrs. America to take over.  This mis-guided policy has boxed the Fed into a corner from which it can&#8217;t stomach the possibilities after exiting the pumping.  Pump too long and we could fling ourselves into inflation and crash the dollar.  Get religon and see the light of day to exit this hopeless cycle would bring us more asset deflation&#8211;something they are deathly afraid of.  Until enough people in Washington see the fingerprints of the Fed on the financial mess, the medicine will never be taken and the delay in malinvestment liquidation will make the recovery increasingly harder.</p>
<p>The malinvestments have not been liquidated completely&#8211;the Fed seems to think they shouldn&#8217;t have to be.  All those years of cheap money and malinvestment excess have to be reckoned with.  The Fed&#8217;s pumping will add to the reckoning. </p>
<p>The way the Fed is playing around with things, we could have both deflation and hyperinflation in short order.  The Fed is giving itself liquidity trouble by doing something they wouldn&#8217;t allow their regulated banks to do: buy gobs of long-term securities at high prices with short-term demand deposits.  The result of this madness could derail us for years.</p>
<p>Ron Paul could get his way by default; the Fed could self-destruct without a single shot (legislation) being fired. </p>
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		<title>By: Adam Odorizzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Odorizzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is Frank Shostak so good?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Frank Shostak so good?</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Keynes left out was what Pigou pointed out as an objection. The &lt;I&gt;stock&lt;/I&gt; of nominal money doesn&#039;t change in his scenario, so that someone still holds it. As people hoard money and nominal prices fall, this is equivalent to holders of nominal money receiving additional cash from helicopters (say). This &lt;I&gt;Real Balance Effect&lt;/I&gt; or &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigou_effect&quot;&gt;Pigou Effect&lt;/A&gt; gets things going again, if anything ever does paint things into a corner that way (it&#039;s more likely that it would head that off in the first place). The thing is, the corrective effect starts small but then grows much faster than the things causing it; it can always get large enough to work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Keynes left out was what Pigou pointed out as an objection. The <i>stock</i> of nominal money doesn&#8217;t change in his scenario, so that someone still holds it. As people hoard money and nominal prices fall, this is equivalent to holders of nominal money receiving additional cash from helicopters (say). This <i>Real Balance Effect</i> or <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigou_effect">Pigou Effect</a> gets things going again, if anything ever does paint things into a corner that way (it&#8217;s more likely that it would head that off in the first place). The thing is, the corrective effect starts small but then grows much faster than the things causing it; it can always get large enough to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Flaychy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Flaychy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, what Shostack means, I believe, is that money serves only to  exchange  goods, not to exchange goods AND  produce goods. So, adding money to the economy, will not by itself add goods to the economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, what Shostack means, I believe, is that money serves only to  exchange  goods, not to exchange goods AND  produce goods. So, adding money to the economy, will not by itself add goods to the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the answers.  Makes perfect sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the answers.  Makes perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Barron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Barron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a sound money (commodity money) environment, an increase in the demand for money causes prices to fall.  Falling prices of both consumer and producer goods becomes the foundation of the recovery, after all, people still desire things and eventually will take advantage of bargain basement prices.  Fiat money pumping to prevent falling prices merely prolongs the recession.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a sound money (commodity money) environment, an increase in the demand for money causes prices to fall.  Falling prices of both consumer and producer goods becomes the foundation of the recovery, after all, people still desire things and eventually will take advantage of bargain basement prices.  Fiat money pumping to prevent falling prices merely prolongs the recession.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two interest rates. There is the interest rate that the FED targets that banks charge one another when they need to borrow to fulfill their reserves, the FED rate (the discount rate does not come into play here) and then with the Bernanke FED there is the amount that the FED is actually paying the banks on their reserves. The second rate is something that is new because always in the past reserves have not been paid interest.

It is this second rate that has motivated banks to increase their reserves. It is free money in that they can take money from the FED at the FFR, virtually zero, and put it into their reserves and earn interest, no risk.

Bernanke did thing intentionally to prevent the FED injections of cash from entering the real economy and creating inflation. He would not have to follow Sweden&#039;s example of negative interest rates. All he would need to do is stop paying interest on reserves. But then that would foil is scheme because the money would enter the economy and create stagflation. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two interest rates. There is the interest rate that the FED targets that banks charge one another when they need to borrow to fulfill their reserves, the FED rate (the discount rate does not come into play here) and then with the Bernanke FED there is the amount that the FED is actually paying the banks on their reserves. The second rate is something that is new because always in the past reserves have not been paid interest.</p>
<p>It is this second rate that has motivated banks to increase their reserves. It is free money in that they can take money from the FED at the FFR, virtually zero, and put it into their reserves and earn interest, no risk.</p>
<p>Bernanke did thing intentionally to prevent the FED injections of cash from entering the real economy and creating inflation. He would not have to follow Sweden&#8217;s example of negative interest rates. All he would need to do is stop paying interest on reserves. But then that would foil is scheme because the money would enter the economy and create stagflation. </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Grossman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Or we may assume that the banks, frightened by their adverse experience in the crisis brought about by credit expansion, are intent upon increasing the reserves held against their liabilities and therefore restrict the amount of circulation credit [credit granted out of the issue of fiduciary media].

Why bother with today&#039;s mainstream news media? Just open any page of Mises&#039; _Human Action_.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or we may assume that the banks, frightened by their adverse experience in the crisis brought about by credit expansion, are intent upon increasing the reserves held against their liabilities and therefore restrict the amount of circulation credit [credit granted out of the issue of fiduciary media].</p>
<p>Why bother with today&#8217;s mainstream news media? Just open any page of Mises&#8217; _Human Action_.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Flaychy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Flaychy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excerpts from Frank Shostak on real savings:

&lt;blockquote&gt;1-    &lt;i&gt;&quot;Saving as such has nothing to do with money. For example, if John the baker produces ten loaves of bread and consumes two loaves his saving is eight loaves of bread. In other words, the baker&#039;s saving is  &lt;br&gt; 
his production of bread  &lt;br&gt; 
minus &lt;br&gt; 
 the amount of bread that he consumed.       &quot;&lt;/i&gt;     &lt;br&gt;http://mises.org/daily/1882  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;2-    &lt;i&gt;&quot;For instance, John the baker has produced ten loaves of bread and consumes two loaves. The income in this case is ten loaves of bread, &lt;br&gt;  and his savings are eight loaves.      &quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;      http://mises.org/daily/3640  &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpts from Frank Shostak on real savings:</p>
<blockquote><p>1-    <i>&#8220;Saving as such has nothing to do with money. For example, if John the baker produces ten loaves of bread and consumes two loaves his saving is eight loaves of bread. In other words, the baker&#8217;s saving is  <br /> <br />
his production of bread  <br /> <br />
minus <br /> <br />
 the amount of bread that he consumed.       &#8220;</i>     <br /><a href="http://mises.org/daily/1882" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/daily/1882</a>  </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>2-    <i>&#8220;For instance, John the baker has produced ten loaves of bread and consumes two loaves. The income in this case is ten loaves of bread, <br />  and his savings are eight loaves.      &#8220;</i><br />      <a href="http://mises.org/daily/3640" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/daily/3640</a>  </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: pjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BRUCE: &quot;Banks borrow money at 0 per cent. They then sell mortgages to people at 6 per cent. They are guaranteed a 6 per cent profit.&quot;

having worked for a bank I can tell you that we certainly did not borrow money at 0%. We paid for deposits at a certain percentage rate and lent at a higher rate. That&#039;s how banks make money (of course, there are advisory fees, etc. too).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRUCE: &#8220;Banks borrow money at 0 per cent. They then sell mortgages to people at 6 per cent. They are guaranteed a 6 per cent profit.&#8221;</p>
<p>having worked for a bank I can tell you that we certainly did not borrow money at 0%. We paid for deposits at a certain percentage rate and lent at a higher rate. That&#8217;s how banks make money (of course, there are advisory fees, etc. too).</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Witoslawski</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Witoslawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that interest rates are being pushed so low by quantitative easing that private institutions might no longer be willing to lend for the level of risk.

For example, if yields for bonds fall to 2% due to quantitative easing, private financial institutions might be unwilling to lend at such low rates. At this point, the Fed would be printing money to lend, whereas those who receive the new money in the long run would simply &quot;stash it under their beds,&quot; if you will.

The result will be a classical Keynesian liquidity trap, which I believe is consistent with Austrian theory. If the Fed becomes hyperactive, it is quite possible that price deflation actually occurs. The Fed would be &quot;pushing on a string.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that interest rates are being pushed so low by quantitative easing that private institutions might no longer be willing to lend for the level of risk.</p>
<p>For example, if yields for bonds fall to 2% due to quantitative easing, private financial institutions might be unwilling to lend at such low rates. At this point, the Fed would be printing money to lend, whereas those who receive the new money in the long run would simply &#8220;stash it under their beds,&#8221; if you will.</p>
<p>The result will be a classical Keynesian liquidity trap, which I believe is consistent with Austrian theory. If the Fed becomes hyperactive, it is quite possible that price deflation actually occurs. The Fed would be &#8220;pushing on a string.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fundamentalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lending isn&#039;t completely dead; it&#039;s just lower than it has been in a long time. Some lending is going on and the money is going into the stock market. That&#039;s why the market has rebounded so sharply, faster than any time since the rebound after th 1929 crash. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lending isn&#8217;t completely dead; it&#8217;s just lower than it has been in a long time. Some lending is going on and the money is going into the stock market. That&#8217;s why the market has rebounded so sharply, faster than any time since the rebound after th 1929 crash. </p>
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		<title>By: N. Joseph Potts</title>
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		<dc:creator>N. Joseph Potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article mentions, but still gives insufficient attention to, the TWO-PARTY aspect of what it calls &quot;lending.&quot; For (nominal) lending to occur, someone (else, not the bank) must BORROW. In a free market, the interest rate mediates between these forces, and seeks an equilibrium between the willingness to lend and the desire to borrow.

Maybe interest rates aren&#039;t free to perform this function. The author doesn&#039;t say. Maybe not enough borrowers are applying to borrow. The author mentions a decline in the quality of purposes borrowers might have for using borrowed funds. A better discussion of BOTH sides of what is, after all, a TRANSACTION would illuminate the scene better.

For lack of dualized terminology, the author also verges on conflating nominal lending with what I will call &quot;real lending&quot; (analogous to &quot;real savings&quot; in the article). The arguments touch on considerations that seem to me to call for the distinction not only in saving, but in lending and, of course, in borrowing (see above).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article mentions, but still gives insufficient attention to, the TWO-PARTY aspect of what it calls &#8220;lending.&#8221; For (nominal) lending to occur, someone (else, not the bank) must BORROW. In a free market, the interest rate mediates between these forces, and seeks an equilibrium between the willingness to lend and the desire to borrow.</p>
<p>Maybe interest rates aren&#8217;t free to perform this function. The author doesn&#8217;t say. Maybe not enough borrowers are applying to borrow. The author mentions a decline in the quality of purposes borrowers might have for using borrowed funds. A better discussion of BOTH sides of what is, after all, a TRANSACTION would illuminate the scene better.</p>
<p>For lack of dualized terminology, the author also verges on conflating nominal lending with what I will call &#8220;real lending&#8221; (analogous to &#8220;real savings&#8221; in the article). The arguments touch on considerations that seem to me to call for the distinction not only in saving, but in lending and, of course, in borrowing (see above).</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keynes was right when he said that &quot;for some psychological reason&quot; people may tend to hoard (money or anything else). But maybe there are times when pulling back from the edge is what we need to do. It doesn&#039;t mean that there will never be new risks attempted in the future, it just means that a contraction was necessary as too many poor choices were previously made. Getting into the middle of this and trying to Force a way out only lengthens the time when people will willingly take market risks again as they have no way of knowing when the next capricious State decision will come along. And it will tend to continue to reward that which is legitimately being shrunk away from.

Everyone carrying umbrellas when its down pouring is a psychological decision too, but one that has merit. If there is a time when someone goes around with an umbrella otherwise, and others follow, it will only be for a short time until people realize the skies are clear and put theirs away. The State solution would be prohibit umbrellas and Force people out into the rain and tell them that it isn&#039;t raining at all. They will then take credit when it inevitably does stop raining and everyone eventually dries out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keynes was right when he said that &#8220;for some psychological reason&#8221; people may tend to hoard (money or anything else). But maybe there are times when pulling back from the edge is what we need to do. It doesn&#8217;t mean that there will never be new risks attempted in the future, it just means that a contraction was necessary as too many poor choices were previously made. Getting into the middle of this and trying to Force a way out only lengthens the time when people will willingly take market risks again as they have no way of knowing when the next capricious State decision will come along. And it will tend to continue to reward that which is legitimately being shrunk away from.</p>
<p>Everyone carrying umbrellas when its down pouring is a psychological decision too, but one that has merit. If there is a time when someone goes around with an umbrella otherwise, and others follow, it will only be for a short time until people realize the skies are clear and put theirs away. The State solution would be prohibit umbrellas and Force people out into the rain and tell them that it isn&#8217;t raining at all. They will then take credit when it inevitably does stop raining and everyone eventually dries out.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10700/does-a-liquidity-trap-pose-a-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-601640</link>
		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ernie

Two guys on two desert islands. Each needs to build a hut. In order to have time to build the hut, each needs to pre-save certain items. 

Guy 1 (call him Ludwig) -- saves some fish so he has time to build instead of having to fish, sticks for the hut frame, palm branches for the roof and walls, etc.

Guy 2 (call him Ben) -- he is happy, he doesn&#039;t have to save any of this stuff. He happened to bring his printing press with him!

Both start building.  Which one has the means by which to finish the job?

The only way to have production tomorrow and advance society is to save -- real savings based on previously having produced something, not false savings based on ink.

Multiply this 6 billion-fold, the problem is the same -- society cannot advance without investment.  In order for there to be any investment, someone must previously had to produce and save some portion of that production. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernie</p>
<p>Two guys on two desert islands. Each needs to build a hut. In order to have time to build the hut, each needs to pre-save certain items. </p>
<p>Guy 1 (call him Ludwig) &#8212; saves some fish so he has time to build instead of having to fish, sticks for the hut frame, palm branches for the roof and walls, etc.</p>
<p>Guy 2 (call him Ben) &#8212; he is happy, he doesn&#8217;t have to save any of this stuff. He happened to bring his printing press with him!</p>
<p>Both start building.  Which one has the means by which to finish the job?</p>
<p>The only way to have production tomorrow and advance society is to save &#8212; real savings based on previously having produced something, not false savings based on ink.</p>
<p>Multiply this 6 billion-fold, the problem is the same &#8212; society cannot advance without investment.  In order for there to be any investment, someone must previously had to produce and save some portion of that production. </p>
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		<title>By: BRUCE</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10700/does-a-liquidity-trap-pose-a-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-601634</link>
		<dc:creator>BRUCE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing stands out in all of this discussion about the liquidity trap. The banks are sitting on more than $700 billion dollars. Last year they were sitting on $2 billion dollars. Lending is falling off a cliff despite the fact that banks are sitting on an enormous pile of cash and interest rates are near 0 per cent. The question is why? The answer is obvious. Banks borrow money at 0 per cent. They then sell mortgages to people at 6 per cent. They are guaranteed a 6 per cent profit. On top of that, the mortgages are insured by the government. It&#039;s all risk free for the banks. Try lending to the consumer at 2 per cent (2% mortgages), and see how fast your liquidity trap disappears. The consumer is more than capable of solving your problem. They just aren&#039;t wealthy enough to continue to provide windfall profits to the banks anymore!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing stands out in all of this discussion about the liquidity trap. The banks are sitting on more than $700 billion dollars. Last year they were sitting on $2 billion dollars. Lending is falling off a cliff despite the fact that banks are sitting on an enormous pile of cash and interest rates are near 0 per cent. The question is why? The answer is obvious. Banks borrow money at 0 per cent. They then sell mortgages to people at 6 per cent. They are guaranteed a 6 per cent profit. On top of that, the mortgages are insured by the government. It&#8217;s all risk free for the banks. Try lending to the consumer at 2 per cent (2% mortgages), and see how fast your liquidity trap disappears. The consumer is more than capable of solving your problem. They just aren&#8217;t wealthy enough to continue to provide windfall profits to the banks anymore!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://archive.mises.org/10700/does-a-liquidity-trap-pose-a-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-601624</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have one problem with this article. It was illuminating until it reached this point:

Money serves ONLY as a medium of exchangeâ€¦Being the medium of exchange, money can only assist in exchanging the goods of one producer for the goods of another producerâ€¦Note that people demand money not to hold it as such but to employ it in exchange.

This is misleading. Rothbard says that the other uses of money, notably, a store of value, are simply corollaries of the one great function, medium of exchange. But he implicitly states that money DOES serve the purpose of a store of value; that it can be stored to be used as a medium of exchange in the future as well as the present. Other commodities, that can be exchanged, don&#039;t necessarily have this property. Eggs and Bread can be exchanged, but they cannot be stored indefinitely. 

This ability to store a medium of exchange is what most people think of when they talk about saving. It permits one to postpone consumption (for as long as one likes) - unlike with bread, where non consumption can result in a loss of wealth as it goes stale over time.

So, in order for this article to keep on a logical footing, I believe it needs to address this issue. Once I encountered this non sequitur, I had trouble following the rest of the article. It is the same that I often encounter when reading the works of Keynes as well.

However, the explanation of the liquidity trap itself was quite clear, and it did help me to understand what Keynes himself was saying so that further light on this subject would be possible. I can see that something is surely fishy in Keynes analysis, but this article left me stuck on the above issue of savings.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one problem with this article. It was illuminating until it reached this point:</p>
<p>Money serves ONLY as a medium of exchangeâ€¦Being the medium of exchange, money can only assist in exchanging the goods of one producer for the goods of another producerâ€¦Note that people demand money not to hold it as such but to employ it in exchange.</p>
<p>This is misleading. Rothbard says that the other uses of money, notably, a store of value, are simply corollaries of the one great function, medium of exchange. But he implicitly states that money DOES serve the purpose of a store of value; that it can be stored to be used as a medium of exchange in the future as well as the present. Other commodities, that can be exchanged, don&#8217;t necessarily have this property. Eggs and Bread can be exchanged, but they cannot be stored indefinitely. </p>
<p>This ability to store a medium of exchange is what most people think of when they talk about saving. It permits one to postpone consumption (for as long as one likes) &#8211; unlike with bread, where non consumption can result in a loss of wealth as it goes stale over time.</p>
<p>So, in order for this article to keep on a logical footing, I believe it needs to address this issue. Once I encountered this non sequitur, I had trouble following the rest of the article. It is the same that I often encounter when reading the works of Keynes as well.</p>
<p>However, the explanation of the liquidity trap itself was quite clear, and it did help me to understand what Keynes himself was saying so that further light on this subject would be possible. I can see that something is surely fishy in Keynes analysis, but this article left me stuck on the above issue of savings.</p>
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